***Am new here with more interests about YOGA and Spirituality.
I have used cipralex and lamitor(lamitron) tablets in psychiatric treatement of ALOPATHY for my ANXIETY(said by my
psychiatric dactor, hadnt known what was it, am sure that havent had depression or physical problem) after all
nothing is in result more over got excess wait, anger ,irritation, inbalance of mind, no control of thoughts, low
confidance, physical health problems apart from many more mind related…
After some time, got break of taking tablets for some period as lack of knowledge about its consequences if stoped.
Later when been to deep depression, uncertain mental situation and even physical health problems, again I
have started taking the same treatement with much higher dose.
By the god grace found the way of doing YOGA (pranayama 7 kind of it) at the same time and got good result in
15 days only(i.e. first confidance and health subsequently). Now have more patiency where am doing YOGA and
rest of works with good intention, no negative thoughts…
Now apart from these progress with Pranayama, as my health weakened with those tables which I have been using from
2.5 years. Bones are weakend, nerve system got failed, body is moving slowly(shaking), some kind of inner fear… these are existing
problems even after progressive health with pranayama, Ofcourse will be lost in future with continuous and
systematic Yoga.
I want know if any one had these problems or used those tablets, taken break of using tablets and got more depression,
nerve system problem, body shakes… How can I put more efforts to get control of it and can any one suggest of any
ayurvedic treatement apart from Yoga.
any words of encouragement would be very greatly appreciated. or, if anybody else is in, or has been in a similar situation, i’d love to hear from you!
Hi, there!
It’s possible that your new lifestyle has worked so well that you need to talk to your doctor about adjusting your medication. You definitely don’t want to adjust brain medicine by yourself. (even if you were an MD, you wouldn’t adjust your own brain meds.)
I had a much less severe depression, and sucessfully moved off medication. My symptoms still hover nearby, though, waiting for a lapse in my healthy lifestyle to reassert themselves.
1)Review your medication ( if there is any question mark over your need for it, i would discuss this with your doc/ or person involved and mention any possibility of a reduction programme in terms of dosage and weaning you off it. It may be that you need some of the drugs.Or wean your doctor or other person involved from prescribing you them. Despite repeated requests to my drug counsellor to reduce my dosage of methadone, he always said i’ll put that down in your notes for next month, for about a year he would say that. It was only when he did’nt turn up so i saw the doctor and he changed it.4-6 months later i tapered off to 1ml i could finally take home. discovered yoga fortunately about a month after tapering off. that was 3 years ago)
2)Continue with a gentle pranayama practice.
The medication is different .but the lesson is the same.If you’ve been on some medication for a while then you need to have an active role in reviewing how it is precribed. as they’re not going to change something unless you tell them to.
I did get on very welll with my doctor,it was mutual respect.Though i went through a number to get to him.He ran a speciailist clinic where the policy was to keep folk on methadone which is the correct one, opioids controlled through the state basically; it just meant that the drug counsellors that handed you the prescription did’nt get many requests to come off. So a little sleepy.Bear in mind heroin is a new drug in the west since about the 70’s it has grown in popularity, and it’s illegal for addicts.
Anyway these are just anecodtes.And this is my suggestion.Most folk do things as it means they don’t have to change too much.This applies equally to people in authority as much as it does to the people supposedly under them or under their control.
look into more holsitic alternatives as i sense you can see the limitations of mainstream or conventional medicine. the opiods were good that i took but there were just temporary bandages till they wore off and i went off hunting for my next fix, they allowed escape from worries and cares of the world into deep sedation, they ‘wrapped you in cotton wool’ is the expression junkies use.
one of those drugs sounds like an artifical mood inducer.(might affect serotonin)i once tried prozac out of curioisty and it made me feel more depressed. can’t say i liked how it made me feel.And that was one day although i hear you’re meant to take them for 2-3 weeks for them to kick in.I’ll give that a miss, thanks.
i’m taking something now called ashwagandha though expensive and not on the NHS, public health service. this , my alternate nostril breathing, hanna somatics and occassional asana as the physcial dimension of my yoga curently. who knows? maybe i’ll get somewhere.
I know I had a vigorous strong healthy asana practice 2 years ago that just collapsed in quite a dramatic fashion,.I’d get up at five in the morning ,do some neti and practiced least 2 hours daily,slept 3 hours energised, meditiated 3 hours occassionally,felt great… It just doe’nt work like that anymore, unfortunately, as much a I wouldlove to get back to that. Who knows . Maybe one day.
Hi Techne,
Am vey much happy to hear from you, yea now am in contact with my Indian doctor(with whom I have started these medication and continuing till now) and even with a local doctor(hospital). I have redused the dose from 150 to 50 and all going well.
Specially wanna thanks to YOGA(greate ever I saw in my life). Have confidance of doing many things(wanna become a good yogi). Hope of getting best information sharing from more yogis(experts in this area).
I do pranayama(fallowing BABA RAMDEV) with small kind of excersice for minimum of 1.15mints, and keeping eye on food system which is also showing good result.
How you come out of such depression, what abt the ALOPATHY in the Mood Conditions. I lost health becouse of this medication(my nerve system weakened). if medication stopped, pacients who are not fallowing alternatives for it, can get worst situations.
wanna discuss more, please more updates and information sharings are welcome,
thanks in advance,
OM SHANTI, SHANTI , SHANTI HI
Hi Hubert,
am having good , good digestion , even am getting more hungry immediate after 1.5hrs Pranayama(ofcourse in general time also, but I feel more immediate after it).
rest of the body functionality in respect of food system is good, actually nerve system got worst as I have stoped medication for 2.5 months.
Thank you very much for sharing your experiance and suggesions.
here I have one dougt abt ur statement let type it here again :- Or wean your doctor or other person involved from prescribing you them. Despite repeated requests to my drug counsellor to reduce my dosage of methadone, he always said i’ll put that down in your notes for next month, for about a year he would say that. It was only when he did’nt turn up so i saw the doctor and he changed it.4-6 months later i tapered off to 1ml i could finally take home. discovered yoga fortunately about a month after tapering off. that was 3 years ago)
So here, could you brief it again please, have you changed the doctor, or you want me to me to request my doctor to reduce the dosage? please come again with you experiance here I saw this statement is concerned very much for me.
I wanna express my experiance abt ur above one statement, let me copy it here:- look into more holsitic alternatives as i sense you can see the limitations of mainstream or conventional medicine. the opiods were good that i took but there were just temporary bandages till they wore off and i went off hunting for my next fix, they allowed escape from worries and cares of the world into deep sedation, they ‘wrapped you in cotton wool’ is the expression junkies use.
So, I felt the same, those mediaction letted my brain to sleep,die, go on withought presence of mind. so in this situation brain gone to other stage where it has forgotten to work on the normal mode(like even physical functionality got changed).
please let me know more precausions.
thanks in advance
I still have the same doctor, who i have an excellent relationship with. (i first got a prescription for methadone, prescribed as a substitute for heroin aiddicts, in perhpas year 2000 from this particular doctor)And i believe this [B]is[/B] important, your relationship,and can determine whether 1) you get any treatment at all and also 2) the quality of the treatment or health care. In the UK there is a publicly funded health care system but this means treatment is not uniform or patchy, and some folk go private ( like in the US they pay for it)
You suggest you have been on medication for a while. So i suggest you [U]review[/U] your medication. Long term prescription of medication is, i’m sure you’ll agree, no solution.
My confidence in the pharmacopia of modern medicine is not great as i believe the side effects can otuweigh the good they are meant to do and alot drugs are simply highly addictive and you need to come off them gradually.
Also alot of these drugs merely dull the mind.
I don’t have enough info, i’m afraid , to make a good judgement but i think if youhave been on a drug for a while especially an addictive one, there is less incentive to come off. To be honest i don’t have enough info. as you may need some drugs.My advice then is that i suggest you discuss this with a doctor who has your best interests at heart.As some just dole them out as chemical straight-jackets( i hope you understand my english)They don’t actually deal with the isues, or the root of the malaise, they just hide the symptoms, or change your behaviour, not your mind.
You mention-
you use tablets 2.5 years
& they have made you feel worse but then also being without them has made you feel worse.
So perhpas you could weigh in which you prefer, with tablets or without tablets?
You do have these options to consider-
A)Alter your dosage- which means discuss with a doctor you have a good relationship with.
B) Ask yourself some Q’s- do you even need these drugs?- are they being prescribed without your consent? or perhpas Is there some level of addiction to these drugs , that has developed and is affecting how motivated you are when it comes to periodically reviewing your prescription.
If you do do pranayama and other yoga, it would be better without the drugs( alot of western medicine,apart from opiods,:@), i’m kidding,often simply don’t work and the sideffects often outweigh the alleged benefits, the bad outwieghs the good)
But i don’t know enough about your situation, or your health, or the rationale behind the particular drugs precribed for you( like what health conditioons they are being prescribed for or or their proven efficacy in a clincial context etc) or you as an individual to make these judgements. The doctors often their own reasons, perhaps based on experience in medical practice( perhaps of their chosen field) and clinical evidence, or the consequences of not prescribing X drug perhpas etc etc; i cannot therefore judge.
i can tallk about methadone prescriptions, addiction to heroin ( procured from the black market, not from a licensed doctor although i believe i probably should have been able to get from licensed doctor instead of gangsters)
I suppose i chose these drugs as i was suffering from a kind of nervous breakdown(1997) so i do understand and have experience of deep depression. Feeling suicidal etc.( incidentally that was my argument to my from a specialist clinic so I got lucky in finding this particular doctor) It is not alien to me.
Therefore i can empathise with your pain.My experience is not identical, but there might be similiarites. The drugs i chose heroin ( diamorphone on the balck market)did help but i ended saddled with another problem, that of being addicted to them. Hence another issue resulted through my own self-medication/ prescription. And i ended up criminalised through my dependency on it. In more enlightened times it would be prescribed. It was here in the UK in 1969 for six months iuntil they changed the laaw and widespread next to aspirin at the turn of century.19th century( Bayer Pharmaceuticals allegedly created it a german company, where all the chemists in the lab took it. , it made them feel heroic, hence the name and they proclaimed it as a wonder drug.Also in victorian times , same era as when Bayers orginated,it was prescribed to babies to help them sleep, and the educated middle classes generally just acquired from chemist it until they discovered how addictive it was. The poor had gin( alcohol) instead to anaesthetise themselves.)
I know the drugs often don’t work , or they are not a long term solution. They bring with them their own problems and merley treat the symptoms or dull the mind.
Yoga can work.
My view is perhpas similar to that of RD Laing ( who had a breakdown himself and was discredited by the establishement)who believed psychiatrists were really the mad people , and that madness was instititonalised. He wrote a few books, one caleed, [I]The Politics of the Self. [/I] He had a daughter who suffered from scizophrenia and he eventually succumbed to to this malaise himself, a phenomenon quite common amongst psychiatrists.
I hope that yoga can allow you to get in touch with your true authentic self.
As a final thought you might be good candidate for pranayama and ayurveda ,combined; keep the pranayama very gentle & keep it simple.
Anti depressive medication forces the creation of new neurons in the hipocampus as recently made studies found out.
The amazing point is deep meditation or relaxation leeds to the same result.
The same does sports in any manner.
All kind of stress reactions reduce the new production of neurons, so it migth be worth looking at your life, if there is something what you can change in oder to feel more happy and less stressed.
This studies recently has been published in “Der Spiegel” , an german News magazine.
I would not stop medication imediately but do Yoga, espacially Yoga Nidra, off course asanas and aside of it a little jogging, cycling, swimming or whatever on a regular base for a couple of weeks and than together with a skilled therapist try to reduce the medication slowly on the way to stop taking it completely or at least a lower dose.
Hi Lars Rimb?ck ,
thanks for sharing, Am 27yrs, Male, Well I have no depression at all now, after my 5 months effort for 1.5 hrs a day to Pranayama in Yoga(along with some other excersises), even my dosage being reduced from 150 OD to 50 in 5months(with doctor suggesions). Its a good growth I can say. But I have some kind of Inner fear(saw in some cases) and body is moving.
Yea ofcourse, as you said abt the dosage reduction, even I dont want to take this medication but as we know that, medication cant be stoped with in short period, so am continueing it, may take years but can be(hoping) reduced with Pranayama in Yoga and even other excersises. Am fallowing Baba >Ram Dev, who showed recently the complete powers of YOGA to the world.
Even am planing to contact a good hospital in India for what ever happened in the break of stopped medication and restarting of the same medication.
Thanks a lot, for gen. information , am Male,27, Indian
in your case its happened to out from the Heroin usage but in my case they have started treating me(in which they call themself as Psychiatric treatement) without any such symptoms(been their for some kind pressure in the job). So they have started their experiments and now am left with those problems which occurred coz this medicines (those are licensed drugs, I agree with u). I don’t have the main problem (basic one was just a pressure on mind).
1, I don’t get any treatment(solution for anything, apart addicted to it) with present medication, didn’t get even with past (first, starting medicine) one. I know clearly but now the problem is I cant come out from it.
2, I don’t believe the modern medicines for mind, they are telling something coz they need to tell or do some thing or else this ALOPATHY name goes wrong. It’s a big business I hope.
3, The good news is I come out from 150 to 50 OD just in 5 months and am fine with grace of god in the way of Pranayama in Yoga. Actually what ever problems I got, came in the time of this medication and became more on the time break of using them.
4, I prefer without tablets, don’t have any usage of them, can cure all problems with yoga, am much confidant (even cure the recent problem as I said the body is moving) but am not confidant(or don’t know) can come out off these tablets usage without other side effects affects me before I come out from it.
5, As you said Yoga, Pranayama, Ayurveda is better than this Uneducated Allopathic treatment for Mind about which don’t have any Idea except keeping it in seal of cloths.
6, You got heroin from doctor as you said, what I believe is , it’s all a big business of this Pharmacy or Alopathy (don’t much abt these basic roots).
7, yea the same kind of depression it was but only for 25 days nearly(when break came of using them) and later started using them, But I had such kind of experience even. Even for the same now, with bad side effectives , worse than the original one.
8, Even I agree with such kind of statements like RD Laing(if he says that these are mad).
9, yes, I have experienced the power of yoga with Pranayama in it, am getting much capacity, greater relief(same with drugs), clear understand of body, mind, and divine. Am fallowing as same as BABA RAM DEV in India who shown the world abt its capabilities where this modern science cannot reach.
Even I suggest for those have depression , they can get well soon with Pranayama, its much powerful if learnt from best practiser of 7kind of them which shown exactly by Baba ram dev.
Thanks a lot to god for given this chance to share many things in this life. Om Shanti Shanti Shanti Hi…
While yoga helped me notice that these were symptoms and were not Me, it takes diet and cardio exercise to keep my brain dusted out so it’ll function properly, keep up with my soul. Yoga also helps me accept that the solution was not the one I thought it would be, it’s the one that is.
[QUOTE=Techne;16960]While yoga helped me notice that these were symptoms and were not Me, it takes diet and cardio exercise to keep my brain dusted out so it’ll function properly, keep up with my soul. Yoga also helps me accept that the solution was not the one I thought it would be, it’s the one that is.[/QUOTE]
!!!Techne!!!,
I didn`t get “it takes diet”, nhow-----------
yea, u r right, well am even going to do so , am much comfortable , wanna go India in April to do even more YOGA In a better way with instructions of ASHRAM GURU`s along with ayurveda. Let me check out what I can gain more.
I can clean and make my brain clear & proper with some exercises of YOGA only, it wonders in function and pain relief`s which can be noticed in the work(Idea, brain used work).
