[QUOTE=PYislove;77721]Seeking said;*
“Your Karma leads you to your version of Kriya to practice your devotion and practice with aid from the masters teach you more when your Guru is not incarnate.”
Seeking said;*
“I have discovered Paramahansa Yogananda changed the Kriya he taught not once but 3 times. The original in the 1920’s used the front channel to the bindu point and triangulated to the point between the brows then to medulla later that changed from this to the point between the eyes over thead. This is not the full description of either but any Kriyaban will understand. The final revision, I will not describe at all it is the version I vowed not to share publicly.”
Pyislove says;*
If your teacher is a Living Guru, one who has reached the highest Self-Realization[cosmic consciousness], He can do more for you than one who is not as advanced still in the body. It may seem sort of handy to have your Guru in form. In many cases devotees rarely see Him or are with Him - or when he dies what then. This seemingly handy situation comes with many shortcomings and problems for devotees.[I won’t go into a dissertation on this] Depending on who you are dealing with and where you are spiritually already?
Since Yogananda’s mahasamadhi in 1952 there have been many reports of devotees being taught Kriya yoga and having many direct dealings in their lives re teaching shaktipat, etc., If you do some research on the net many testimonials can be found.
I will personally testify to His ongoing help in many ways in my spiritual life.
If one is not spiritually awakened they may still be teaching, but they are not necessarily a Guru. Few teachers are in the category of Guru. the modern usage of
this sacred word is degraded today. That is one who does not need to be in form, or even if in form He does not need to be in your physical presence to work with you etc.
They have progressed beyond the restrictions of time and space.*
They have awakened from the dream and limits of the relative world.
Also, Yogananda via SRF/YSS left all the clear teachings of every major aspect and yogic approach for devotees to use. Each one will find with His ongoing help through the lessons and even by His personal guidance whatever they need without wandering from teacher to teacher. Sometimes a hazardous trip.*
Once one has made a commitment to Yogananda’s guruship via SRF/YSS, everything is there, and it is only a restless inconsistency that causes devotees to imagine that they need to keep changing teachers to progress. That is just unnecessary.
People sometimes have problems following instructions, which always gets taken care of for those who make the effort and stick with it. You will not only get it right in time, but you will gain the blessing of perfecting your attunement with your Guru will will develop other spiritual strengths in your process of self-transformation. Going all over the place running after every new guru that show up in town just does not do the same thing. there may be exceptions but don’t imagine to easily the you are the exception - maybe not! It is easy and foolish to find fault with the tools.
A short story;I once met a couple of devotees who said that after taking SRF kriya they went to some teacher from Montreal to get some higher kriyas. When they told me what they got, I told them that all that was in their lessons. They took a look at their lessons again and found that they already had the necessary data - they were quite embarrassed. this happens so often in my personal experience.*
We miss many things when there is not enough persistence.*
On the other issue of seemingly changed approaches to teaching. there are some things that Yogananda would change as required in different circumstances. But to assume that the teaching of the techniques was one of them could be due to various factors. The only observation that makes you imagine that He had to change his method would be from different version of the lessons you may have read. these lessons were compiled by others under his supervision. His work schedule was extremely heavy to put it mildly. I could be that once he found things were not published properly in lessons He would have them make corrections. The most recent SRF lessons would be the most correct I agree.*
Although Yogananda rarely left things half done, a few things had to be upgraded and edited, for which He left ample instructions. Especially for His Autobiography.
Who knows what path will give each one the deepest inspiration needed at this*
any in the journey. But once you find a true Guru, your search is over. it will take the rest of your struggling life to make use of His wisdom.
guarde la difference! *
with respect, *PYislove…[/QUOTE]
Pyislove says;*
If your teacher is a Living Guru, one who has reached the highest Self-Realization[cosmic consciousness], He can do more for you than one who is not as advanced still in the body.
Seeking says: Agree 100%
Pyislove says: If one is not spiritually awakened they may still be teaching, but they are not necessarily a Guru.*
Seeking says: Agree 100%
Pyislove says: Few teachers are in the category of Guru. the modern usage ofthis sacred word is degraded today. That is one who does not need to be in form, or even if in form He does not need to be in your physical presence to work with you etc.
They have progressed beyond the restrictions of time and space.
They have awakened from the dream and limits of the relative world.
Seeking says: Agree 100%
Pyislove Says:*Once one has made a commitment to Yogananda’s guruship via SRF/YSS, everything is there, and it is only a restless inconsistency that causes devotees to imagine that they need to keep changing teachers to progress. That is just unnecessary.
Seeking says: Agree to disagree this is too broad of a blanket statement to fit to everyone. It certainly did not fit me nor your implied accusation. This way of addressing others you do not know is the false surety generated by organizations and it is rude.
Furthermore you assume too much I have never Guru hopped I have teaching sought. My quest is over. I came to my conclusions.*
You have mistaken my series of steps as Guru hoping and window shopping, that is both insulting and shows you do not comprehend what others write outside of the confines of you own SRF doctrine which is fine but please don’t disparage this one sir.
SRF and YSS as is KYI and any other are organizations and as such ran by flawed people just like all the rest. I do not agree with your faith in your statements.
PYislove says: wandering from teacher to teacher. Sometimes a hazardous trip.*
Seeking Says: agree Almost 100% but would like to add it is always 100% a hazardous trip, it is incredibly hazardous. For some, not all *the trip is 100% necessary for some it is just curiosity seeking but not all. But what about the firmly indoctrinated that stick with something that is not right for them? What about those who do not have the certainty of mind or faith in themselves because they have let others take on that burden of living for them under the cloak of spirituality. Those are the ones that need help not the ones bold enough to seek and find. Just to be clear I do not say you are of such a kind. I believe you have found your home with SRF. Blessed are they that land in the right spot for them the first time.
Pyislove says: A short story;I once met a couple of devotees who said that after taking SRF kriya they went to some teacher from Montreal to get some higher kriyas.
Seeking says: I think I know who that is. He might even be worse than the great thief Donald himself. Boy that’s bad glad you could help them.
PYislove says:*The only observation that makes you imagine that He had to change his method would be from different version of the lessons you may have read. these lessons were compiled by others under his supervision.
Seeking says: Be nice now, imagine is not correct terminology there are other teachers that come from Lahiri Mahasayas line that teach Kriya much differently. All are pretty similar to what SRF teaches now, yet different. FYI I have no problem with P.Y changing things that was certainly in his prerogative to do. Older devotees and the lessons on Kriya performance from the 20’s and the thirties show that it was done differently.
What the people over at SRF teach is for you and those like you thus is your karma. So how the method is taught now satisfies you and yours, good for you and I mean that I am not trying to be nasty.
I however never felt the completeness of What SRF teaches in Paramahansa Yoganandas name as you do so off seeking I went and have found.
I believe that Paramahansa Yogananda fulfilled his journey to the West in every way. That is my conclusion.
I believe that SRF is for many people and unlike many organizations and self proclaimed so-called Gurus that have formed around the practice of Kriya Yoga they are safe to be involved with. This is my conclusion.
SRF was ok for me over 20 + years ago and introduced me to Kriya Yoga and most importantly my Guru Lahiri Mahasaya so as you can see I never guru shopped or hopped.*
I have made a study of Kriya Yoga to find where I belonged, not for anyone else my own work is enough for me and others must discover things for themselves for it to be useful to them anyway. I went out to discover which of the many offered versions of practicing Kriya Yoga were for me to practice, not some personality incased in a body to be in worship of. This is my karma. I can honestly say I have found what I need.*
PYislove says:*But once you find a true Guru, your search is over. it will take the rest of your struggling life to make use of His wisdom.
Seeking says: My life is not a struggle God and Guru have always made my way for me. I just listen to the best of my ability, feel to the best of my ability and see to the best of my ability and participate accordingly. The rest just falls into place. But yes I do agree 100% it will take the rest of my life and If you read everything from the moment I started posting on these forums it will be clear that as of this date 9-16-2012 I have been working very hard at it and have arrived. That is my conclusion.
So we agree on many things, but not all. Wise people discuss and fools argue may we always strive to be wise, even if the best we can be is wise like the guru at times. Inside joke I jusy poked fun at myself for those in the know.