Regulating the Spiritual field

In continuation of my suggestion in the thread “Commercialization of Yoga: Misleading and false promises” that we should set up a self-regulating body(non-government) not just for Yoga, but the broader spiritual field-community in order to standardize codes of practice and ethics. Obviously, it is difficult enough setting up such a regulating body for Yoga, but to set one up for the broader spiritual community seems close to impossible due to the problem of defining what is spiritual and the problems of separating the spiritual from the religious.

I agree that setting up a regulating body for religion is close to impossible, but I think it is definitely possible for spirituality if we treat spirituality like a professional mind-body field of science, informed by scientific research only and not religion, mystical or occultic things. Meaning we need to do away with all this talk of chi, prana, chakras, reiki, meridians, kundalini, god consciousness, astral planes, angels, guides, indigo children, channeling, radionics, ascended masters, Illumunati, Atlantis and all other religious paraphernalia that litters and eclipses the genuine body of scientific research done in the emerging fields of: epigenetics, quantum biology, quantum medicine, quantum physics, transpersonal psychology, parapsychology - informed by rigorous empirical and theoretical work.

This body should also regulate against pseudo scientific practices like EFT, Law of attraction, NLP, Reiki and Pranic healing, Acupunture, Shamanic Channeling, homeopathy. These practices are considered pseudoscientific because they claim to be scientific, but they are not supported by any evidence and rely on placebo and belief mainly. It is not responsible to encourage or even leave such practices unchallenged, because it promotes quackery and commercialization.

Setting up such a self-regulating body that promotes high standards of practice and ethics and rational and scientific thinking in the spiritual field will help in establishing a strong and presence of spirituality in the mainstream intellectual and scientific world. This will lead to real progress in the spiritual field and give it credibility, to the point where it may become an integral part of our future world.

The biggest challenge spirituality faces today is religion, commercialization and quackery(new-age religion) We must rise to meet these challenges.

I am setting this thread up to open up for discussion and practical suggestions on how could such a body be set up, or if there are any similar bodies are already extant that we can draw inspiration from.

Spirituality is personal. It cannot and should not be regulated. Way too much big brother as far as I’m concerned. Think about what you are suggesting SD!

Can you say cult…sure you can

Regulating spirituality is as easy as regulating thought….can you say 1984…sure you can

It is all a rather slippery slope…

good luck with that

I’m curious. What happens when the regulations are broken or crossed? What is the recourse of the regulating body? And, forms of punishment imposed?

Sorry, I’m a frog.

This wont work.
you can only regulate that which you know.
Besides, what about aghora? Eh?

this medical. They can only regulate the science they know as fact.
science does not know a lot. For everything we dont know is called a theory. Corruption is taking theory as truth. Faith is neither theory nor science. its being certian in what you hope for.
Carbon14 i believe, carbon dating, extremly unstable, wind and sunlight can effect this. But this theory is takin as fact. Not too mention i believe carbon dating completly decays at 5000 years. Meaning dinosours, well, we have no idea how old they are. But man is scared to admit he dosnt know.

Law of attraction has nothing to do with positive thinking. It is positive feeling. Thats what they dont tell you ;).

Phycho-physiological manipulation and control or “yoga” as some call it, is a dying science. Besides, you cant control the true holy man.

i assume, you stopped searching befor you found what u were looking for am i right?
To control a mans feeling and thinking is evil. Do not creat another regulating system, u will be like the rest. All i can so is bring understanding. How about a group desicated to true understanding of each subject. Not to mention testing and refinment of practises.

Anyway. Look up the kriya yoga post. Try the pranayama. Its scientific! Though i did not give a method. Havnt decided if i should. Will probably require a youtube vid.

It is interesting to see how much anxiety the suggestion of a self regulating body provokes, but I guess this is a natural human reaction. We immediately fear that any kind of organization that has the power to regulate something will be akin to a big brother/dictatorship and encroach on our freedoms in a sinister way. However, the reality is never so grim, every healthy and systematic field has a regulating body. It is a healthy sign to have a regulating body, because it means that high standards of practice and ethics are maintained.

Here is a short wiki article on what self-regulating organization is:

A self-regulatory organization (SRO) is an organization that exercises some degree of regulatory authority over an industry or profession. The regulatory authority could be applied in addition to some form of government regulation, or it could fill the vacuum of an absence of government oversight and regulation. The ability of an SRO to exercise regulatory authority does not necessarily derive from a grant of authority from the government.
In United States securities law, a self-regulatory organization is a defined term. The principal federal regulatory authority—the Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC)—was established by the Federal Securities Exchange Act of 1934. The SEC originally delegated authority to the National Association of Securities Dealers (the NASD) and to the national stock exchanges (e.g., the NYSE) to enforce certain industry standards and requirements related to securities trading and brokerage. On July 26, 2007 the SEC approved a merger of the enforcement arms of the NYSE and the NASD, to form a new SRO, the Financial Industry Regulatory Authority (FINRA). In addition, Congress created the Municipal Securities Rulemaking Board (the MSRB) as an SRO charged with adopting investor protection rules governing broker-dealers and banks that underwrite, trade and sell tax-exempt bonds, 529 college savings plans and other types of municipal securities.
The American Arbitration Association is also an SRO with official, statutory status.
Because of the prominence of the SROs in the securities industry, the term SRO is often used too narrowly to describe an organization authorized by statute or government agency to exercise control over a certain aspect of the industry.
The National Association of Realtors (NAR) is an example of an SRO that fills the vacuum left by the absence of government oversight or regulation. The NAR sets the rules for Multiple Listing Services and how brokers use them. Another example is the American Medical Association which sets rules for ethics, conflicts, disciplinary action, and accreditation in medicine.

Here are some examples of regulating bodies:

APA: American Psychological Association

The American Psychological Association is the largest scientific and professional organization representing psychology in the United States. APA is the world’s largest association of psychologists, with more than 137,000 researchers, educators, clinicians, consultants and students as its members.
Our mission is to advance the creation, communication and application of psychological knowledge to benefit society and improve people’s lives.

APA seeks to advance psychology as a science, a profession and as a means of promoting health, education and human welfare. We do this by:

  • Encouraging the development and application of psychology in the broadest manner.
  • Promoting research in psychology, the improvement of research methods and conditions and the application of research findings
    *Improving the qualifications and usefulness of psychologists by establishing high standards of ethics, conduct, education and achievement
    *Increasing and disseminating psychological knowledge through meetings, professional contacts, reports, papers, discussions and publications[/i]

American Medical Association

Mission:
To promote the art and science of medicine and the betterment of public health.

Core Values:

Leadership
Excellence
Integrity and Ethical Behavior.
Vision:
To be an essential part of the professional life of every physician.

The American Medical Association helps doctors help patients by uniting physicians nationwide to work on the most important professional and public health issues.

AMA policy on issues in medicine and public health is decided through its democratic policy-making process, in the AMA House of Delegates.

The AMA’s activities with for-profit entities are directed by AMA guidelines for corporate relationships, and its Internet products follow AMA guidelines for health and information websites.

Together, we will play an active role in shaping the future of medicine.

To support the delivery of high-quality, patient-centered care, the AMA seeks to empower physicians with the most robust data, resources, strategies and continuing professional development opportunities available. A central component of this effort is the work of the AMA-convened and physician-led Physician Consortium for Performance Improvement? (PCPI™), which develops clinically relevant quality measures for clinical practice. PCPI is also working to ensure that the right measures are included in health information technology (IT) offerings. To help physicians select and adopt health IT, the AMA is developing resources for physicians and providing expanded opportunities for CME on performance improvement.


In general a self-regulation organization/body is like a civil government setup within an official government, and thus it will mirror the actual mode of government that is official i.e., if you have a democratic government, the regulating body will also be democratic. There is legislation in place in the government for how self-regulating organizations should operate. In the examples above of the APA and the AMA, these are democratic organizations, and policies and guidelines are decided by a democratic process among professionals.

The Yoga alliance is another example of a self-regulating organization, in that it ensures certain standards for accrediting teachers, and a code of practice and ethics. Thus if we know somebody is accredited by the Yoga alliance, we know they are qualified to certain standards. However, the Yoga alliance as it currently stands is inadequate to address the needs of the Yoga community.

Self-regulation is obviously a lot better than government regulation, because self-regulation is more flexible, has greater freedoms and more easy to reform, while government regulation is enforced and has to go through a lengthy bureaucratic process to implement any reforms.

An SRO obviously has no powers to exercise any kind of authority over any organization that is not a member. For example many pseudosciences like EFT and NLP operate without any care for the standards of for example the APA, but because they are not accredited by the APA, it tells professionals in the scientific community that they do not meet the high standards of the APA and thus cannot be taken seriously. This also provides a motivating force for EFT and NLP etc to improve their standards of practice and ethics to meet membership standards.

In the UK to practice in the professional psychological community one must be accredited by the BPS(British psychologist society) this is a motivating factor in choosing your degree or training program, because if it is not accredited, then one will have to do further training to ensure they meet the standards.

How does this apply to spirituality, I will explore in the next post.

LG says above spirituality is personal, and therefore it cannot be regulated. Here we can see in LG’s use of the definition of spirituality no difference between spirituality and religion. Religion is also personal and therefore it is near impossible to regulate it. It is impossible to regulate somebodies beliefs, for if they want to believe in the universal chi energy or spirit guides and ascended masters, or one god or many gods and goddesses then they are free too. This point has long been realized by governments around the world who have tried to enforce certain beliefs. It invariably leads to violence.

Beliefs about the supernatural cannot be regulated by science, because the supernatural is outside the domain of science by definition.

There are certain beliefs, however, which can be regulated because they come under the scrutiny of science. e.g., beliefs of old earth vs young earth. To maintain the Earth was created 6000 years ago, and Adam and Eve story as literal history, when we know today from overwhelming body of scientific research that the Earth is more than 4 billion years old and life has evolved gradually on this planet from simple to complex organisms is obviously invalid. Science has invalidated such beliefs because these beliefs pertain to our natural and empirical world. Those who continue to maintain these beliefs are irrational people.

Likewise, mind also comes under the domain of science in the psychological sciences, medicine comes under the domain of science in the biological and medical sciences. In that scientific research can be done in these areas i.e., beliefs can be tested and falsified. NLP, EFT, Reiki, Acupuncture, Law of attraction(in that it claims to be an actual law of nature) are all open to testing and falsification. Indeed, actual scientific studies have shown all of these to be invalid, no better than placebos.

A spiritual SRO would regulate against pseudoscience like NLP, EFT, Reiki, Law of attraction etc giving people in the spiritual community a message that they are not recognized and do not represent the professional spiritual community.
There is indeed a professional spiritual community of scientists from various fields like physics, psychology, medicine and biology doing research in the emerging mind-body discipline, which is what spirituality really is. There are various independent bodies been set up such as the Noeitic Science institute, the Near Death Research Foundation, but still no wider body to represent the entire discipline.

When we use the term spirituality today, we mean something very different from religion, we refer to a system of mind-body practices comprising of such things like meditation, Yoga, Qigong, mindfulness. All of this is open to scientific study.

You really like to type, cut and paste don’t you :slight_smile:

Nice examples of regulating something completely different.

Your talking about regulating spirituality not an organization or indusrty.

Spirituality can refer to an ultimate or an alleged immaterial reality; an inner path enabling a person to discover the essence of his/her being; or the “deepest values and meanings by which people live.” Spiritual practices, including meditation, prayer and contemplation, are intended to develop an individual’s inner life; spiritual experience includes that of connectedness with a larger reality, yielding a more comprehensive self; with other individuals or the human community; with nature or the cosmos; or with the divine realm. Spirituality is often experienced as a source of inspiration or orientation in life.[4] It can encompass belief in immaterial realities or experiences of the immanent or transcendent nature of the world.

I once worked in a hospital that got taken over by a firm that handled the engineering for factories, the HVAC, Maintenance and such. They immediately set up a program to save power by cutting down on electricity, heating and cooling between the hours of 5:00PM and 5:00AM. It worked great in a factory…not so well in a hospital. You see there are sick people in a hospital 24/7 and they need jsut as much heating and cooling at night as they do during the day. The program failed, nosocomial infections increased, and the administration put a stop to it.

You can regulate all sorts of things but you are not talking about regulating something tangible or policy issues like your examples show. You are talking about regulating something intangible where no policy can exist like spirituality or thought. Many have tried all have failed…

I said it before and I will say it again…good luck with that

Nice examples of regulating something completely different.

You can regulate all sorts of things but you are not talking about regulating something tangible or policy issues like your examples show. You are talking about regulating something intangible where no policy can exist like spirituality or thought. Many have tried all have failed…

This is what I contest, spirituality, being a broad mind-body discipline is indeed tangible. The field of psychology deals with the area of the mind, and what was once thought to be intangible has now been demonstrated to be tangible as we come to understand the workings of the mind a lot better, especially the physical states such as neurological and bio-chemical states. We can now actually test whether somebody really has entered a ‘higher state of consciousness’ by testing the phenomenological, neurological and biochemical responses.

Scientific methodologies can be used to test EFT and Reiki by setting up controlled experiments to see if they work or not.

Thus many spiritual areas, which are thought to be intangible, do actually come under the domain of science. In other words they are tangible. In Yoga philosophy the entire spectrum of mind-body is a tangible object of awareness for consciousness i.e., it is open for study.

The inner is no more immaterial than the outer. Inner and outer are just arbitrary terms we use for practical purposes to distinguish ourselves from everything else. This is why in Yoga it is known as ‘Ahamkara’ literally self-construct, which is actually false and arbitrary. It divides the seamless field of mind-body into artificial distinctions that do not really exist. The entire field of reality we perceive, whether it inner or outer, is just one material reality. There are gross expressions of it like chairs and tables, and subtle expressions of it like thoughts, feelings, desires. It is all open to study.

Religion is born out of spirituality. As mentioned above, religion is the form. It is the dogma. Spirituality is not an object. It is more internal and one of its core beliefs is that there are many paths. A spiritual person is accepting of all religions. Someone who is religious may or may not be spiritual, depending on the religion and their adherence to it.

I agree that personal can also be used in reference to religion. It is more accurate to say internal or independent. BUT, religion is a business and thus should have some type of regulation.

SD, this is a slippery slope here. I echo my first post about big brother.

Many things that get bandied about in the spiritual community can be tested by science. I will give examples:

If you chant HAMMMMMMMMMMM it will spin your throat chakra and cure all throat related disease
If you chant x mantra it will y - cure disease, make you more beautiful, bring success
If x astrological alignment takes place such, then y will take place
If you practice x exercise then y ability will be activated
If you really and strongly desire something, you will attract it to you
If you pray to x god/gods, then y will happen
If you take x herb, then y disease will be cured
If you practice x visualization, then y outcome will happen

Any kind of statement which makes a statement of cause and effect like the above is open to scientific testing. An experiment can be set up for each one to test the claims they are making.

[QUOTE=Sarvamaṅgalamaṅgalā;74309]This is not a personal attack, it is my advice to other members who engage you in your destructive habits. It would be better for your condition if they didn’t.[/QUOTE]

Your post is a personal attack and it has been deleted because it was one :slight_smile: Personal attacks are not a substitute for a post. Contribute your opinions and views like everybody else is doing without feeling the need to personally attack somebody. This is just basic civility and maturity, I should not have to tell you this.

I’m tired of the personal attacks. Members will get one warning. Thereafter it will result in a ban.

[QUOTE=lotusgirl;74304]Religion is born out of spirituality. As mentioned above, religion is the form. It is the dogma. Spirituality is not an object. It is more internal and one of its core beliefs is that there are many paths. A spiritual person is accepting of all religions. Someone who is religious may or may not be spiritual, depending on the religion and their adherence to it.

I agree that personal can also be used in reference to religion. It is more accurate to say internal or independent. BUT, religion is a business and thus should have some type of regulation.[/quote]

I’m sorry I found some points really confusing. What do you mean religion is the form, is the dogma and is a business?

Spirituality has got nothing to do with religion. There can be religious people who who are spiritual and spiritual people who are not religious. Hence why I am saying there is a need to separate the term spirituality from religion.

There is no core belief in spirituality that we must accept all religions, and says who? There are atheists who are spiritual, and they certainly do not accept all religions.

[QUOTE=David;74314]I’m tired of the personal attacks. Members will get one warning. Thereafter it will result in a ban.[/QUOTE]

I am glad there’s a strict policy now, because in the past I did report dozens of personal attacks without any repercussions for the poster, so I thought why not join the game. :wink:

The issues arising from regulating spirituality lie in the subjective nature of the ideology, and ideology changes with the times and the dominant culture of the times. In order to ‘regulate’ the spiritual field, there has to be a common agreement as to what is and is not included in the field.

With so ethereal a matter, that discussion is moot considering the billions of individual viewpoints. Any historical attempt at regulating spirituality has only produced disastrous results. The Spanish Inquisition is one example. There are countless others.

This particular discussion came about because one person objects to some practices being included, and accepted, as part of the spiritual field. What about the natives of Alberta, Canada, who practice many rites that would be considered bogus by that person’s standards? Are they less spiritual for it?

Spirituality has got nothing to do with religion
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Really? Hum…