Nietzcsche, you really need to stop labelling everyone who makes a critical point against some of the things you say, a Christian or white supremist. It no longer carries any impact, because you use it pretty much on everyone. Even myself recently.
Vata asked a genuine question, what have you achieived in undermining the Abrahamic religions in your 800+ posts here? Have they weakened due to your effort? Are Hindus free of persectution now?
[QUOTE=Nietzsche;53486]I don’t know if this is sarcasm or not. If it is, then:
“You’ve got a decent intellect…figure it out.”[/QUOTE]
I knew you’d say that.
It was in part sarcastic.
However that said -Because you looked down your nose at me after a compliment I didn’t want to spend the time trying to figure out what you were saying - as the presentation of your idea wasn’t apparent to me at first.
Get it?
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Originally Posted by vata07
I am a Christian who is pretending to be an admirer of Eastern religions in order to gain converts. I am a white supremacist and intolerant of other religions. Christianity is the only way and all other religions must be destroyed in order to make way for its ascendancy.
Fix’d.
He did the same to me, rewriting my post accusing me of being a white supremacist and intolerant. He got the white part right. He’s young and angry. At some point he will understand not all white people and westerners are bad.
[QUOTE=Nietzsche;53487] I went to the vet’s and got myself Fix’d.[/QUOTE]
Hmmmmmmmmm:confused:
[QUOTE=Surya Deva;53521]Nietzcsche, you really need to stop labelling everyone who makes a critical point against some of the things you say, a Christian or white supremist. It no longer carries any impact, because you use it pretty much on everyone. Even myself recently.
Vata asked a genuine question, what have you achieived in undermining the Abrahamic religions in your 800+ posts here? Have they weakened due to your effort? Are Hindus free of persectution now?[/QUOTE]
He said “blah blah…” in response to my post. A puerile comment to a post he found disagreeable. Therefore, I responded in kind to highlight the childish nature of his post. It was meant to be satire/cynical in nature and not a strawman. I apologize if that wasn’t clear.
What have you achieved in your 2000+ posts here? Raising awareness of course, the same thing I have achieved to various degrees by my 800+ posts. Sure the people here are too politically correct to see reason, but we have at least succeeded in getting these people “riled up” (in the sense of awareness). We have even succeeded in making some of them racist towards Indians, like Flex Penguin. Just look at the offensive statements he spouts about Indians, Hindus, and Hinduism in order to aggravate me and you. You and I have brought out his true nature.
Are the Abrahamic religions weakened due to our efforts? That depends on how you view “change.” We may not have changed the views of most of the people that post and visit here, but we have definitely altered it. Who knows, maybe the idea we implant will come to hold sooner or later. In my book, that is definitely a success.
[QUOTE=lotusgirl;53557]@Vata07,
He did the same to me, rewriting my post accusing me of being a white supremacist and intolerant. He got the white part right. He’s young and angry. At some point he will understand not all white people and westerners are bad.[/QUOTE]
At some point, you will have to understand that everyone, include whole groups of people, have biases.
Whites and Christians have supremacist biases to begin with. It is as simple as that but you are too PC to grasp it.
You, in particular, have obvious anti-Hindu biases that anyone, who is not like you, can clearly see. You support the denigration of Hinduism, spread lies about the origin of Hinduism and Yoga, and condemn SD and I for passionately being intolerant of intolerance.
[QUOTE=The Scales;53541]I knew you’d say that.
It was in part sarcastic.
However that said -Because you looked down your nose at me after a compliment I didn’t want to spend the time trying to figure out what you were saying - as the presentation of your idea wasn’t apparent to me at first.
Get it?[/QUOTE]
Good for you.
My compliment was sincere. Your response was not. Therefore, my response was equally insincere.
If you are not interested in having a sincere debate/conversation, then continue to play the semantics game. Either option doesn’t effect me in the slightest.
What has Mr. S.D. accomplished through his posting activities?
He has grown and expanded.
Some.
You on the other hand. I can’t really tell one way or the other. But If I had to guess. I would say no growth for you.
Also if you think you’ve accomplished anything of significance you are mistaken. If perhaps you adjusted your attitude towards personable and away from angry internet guy perhaps you’d be . . . someday . . . someone to reckon with.
[QUOTE=Nietzsche;53593]Good for you.
My compliment was sincere. Your response was not. Therefore, my response was equally insincere.
If you are not interested in having a sincere debate/conversation, then continue to play the semantics game. Either option doesn’t effect me in the slightest.[/QUOTE]
No my child. My response was just fine. I try to help you. I certainly do.
But you make it difficult for me because your such a complete one note - ass.
Your compliment was placed infront another comment that made my viewpoint look inferior to your “superior” view. Your view is not in any way superior to mine. It is infact the inferior view.
The correct approach is mine. The incorrect approach is yours. Why is mine so much better? Because I am wise. You are not.
There is no debate. Your not going to win anything.
I’m on your side.
[QUOTE=The Scales;53594]What has Mr. S.D. accomplished through his posting activities?
He has grown and expanded.
Some.
You on the other hand. I can’t really tell one way or the other. But If I had to guess. I would say no growth for you.
Also if you think you’ve accomplished anything of significance you are mistaken. If perhaps you adjusted your attitude towards personable and away from angry internet guy perhaps you’d be . . . someday . . . someone to reckon with.[/QUOTE]
I did accomplish something, but not in the way you think of it.
[QUOTE=Nietzsche;53598]I did accomplish something, but not in the way you think of it.[/QUOTE]
I know you are but what am I?
[QUOTE=The Scales;53597]No my child. My response was just fine. I try to help you. I certainly do.
But you make it difficult for me because your such a complete one note - ass.
Your compliment was placed infront another comment that made my viewpoint look inferior to your “superior” view. Your view is not in any way superior to mine. It is infact the inferior view.
The correct approach is mine. The incorrect approach is yours. Why is mine so much better? Because I am wise. You are not.[/QUOTE]
If I make it difficult for you to have a conversation with me, then your response, in reality, was not sincere. You just couldn’t resist taking a stab at me.
Now your biases against me are getting to you. I was sincerely trying to compliment your view that people must follow their own paths (which is what the discussion was about in the first place). However, I was adding onto it, by making analogy with roads, by indirectly trying to evoke the rhetorical question of “What is these paths attempt to interfere with others?”
If you think you are wise, you have much to learn.
[QUOTE=Nietzsche;53603]If I make it difficult for you to have a conversation with me, then your response, in reality, was not sincere. You just couldn’t resist taking a stab at me.
Now your biases against me are getting to you. I was sincerely trying to compliment your view that people must follow their own paths (which is what the discussion was about in the first place). However, I was adding onto it, by making analogy with roads, by indirectly trying to evoke the rhetorical question of “What is these paths attempt to interfere with others?”
If you think you are wise, you have much to learn.[/QUOTE]
I know you are but what am I?
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Originally Posted by lotusgirl
@Vata07,
He did the same to me, rewriting my post accusing me of being a white supremacist and intolerant. He got the white part right. He’s young and angry. At some point he will understand not all white people and westerners are bad.
You wrote:
At some point, you will have to understand that everyone, include whole groups of people, have biases.
Whites and Christians have supremacist biases to begin with. It is as simple as that but you are too PC to grasp it.
You, in particular, have obvious anti-Hindu biases that anyone, who is not like you, can clearly see. You support the denigration of Hinduism, spread lies about the origin of Hinduism and Yoga, and condemn SD and I for passionately being intolerant of intolerance.
@N
I would like to think that your take on me being “politically correct” is nothing more than me trying to be kind and practicing ahimsa. Am I intolerant of intolerance? Guess I am. It upsets me when I see people on this forums being accused of things are are not true. I struggle on my path as most do. But I do try.
Do you really think that getting people in the “opposing camp” riled up is helping your cause? I don’t think it is. I would try another approach if I were you. Why would you deliberately try to get westerners/whites to hate you? Deep down N, do you really believe that those who are on this forum, regardless of their religious preference, would hate Hinduism? Do you know how many won’t go to the religious section because of the hatred and intolerance shown toward those of us who post comments that don’t agree with you and SD?
And all whites and christians do NOT have supremacist biases. That is just plain silly.
And I challenge you to find one post that I’ve expressed hatred toward Hinduism. What I have done is express my views as I was taught or through what I’ve read. Are those views different than yours? Yes, in some instances they are. It doesn’t make me anti-Hindu. Please stop with that kind of talk. It is not becoming to a Hindu.
Do you realize how disrespectful it is to re-write someone’s post making them look like a supremacist and filled with hatred? It is.
N, you are a young man whose whole life is before him. Make the most of it. When you surround yourself with negativity and hatred, you tend to receive it back in return. Sorry, this is the mother in me.
[QUOTE=lotusgirl;53609]@N
I would like to think that your take on me being “politically correct” is nothing more than me trying to be kind and practicing ahimsa. Am I intolerant of intolerance? Guess I am. It upsets me when I see people on this forums being accused of things are are not true. I struggle on my path as most do. But I do try.
Do you really think that getting people in the “opposing camp” riled up is helping your cause? I don’t think it is. I would try another approach if I were you. Why would you deliberately try to get westerners/whites to hate you? Deep down N, do you really believe that those who are on this forum, regardless of their religious preference, would hate Hinduism? Do you know how many won’t go to the religious section because of the hatred and intolerance shown toward those of us who post comments that don’t agree with you and SD?
And all whites and christians do NOT have supremacist biases. That is just plain silly.
And I challenge you to find one post that I’ve expressed hatred toward Hinduism. What I have done is express my views as I was taught or through what I’ve read. Are those views different than yours? Yes, in some instances they are. It doesn’t make me anti-Hindu. Please stop with that kind of talk. It is not becoming to a Hindu.
Do you realize how disrespectful it is to re-write someone’s post making them look like a supremacist and filled with hatred? It is.
N, you are a young man whose whole life is before him. Make the most of it. When you surround yourself with negativity and hatred, you tend to receive it back in return. Sorry, this is the mother in me.[/QUOTE]
Tell me something: have you ever any of the Puranic scriptures? Can you tell me which avatar of Vishnu/Shiva eliminated evil through peace? Oh fine, that makes them demons and false-gods, as per Christianity, doesn’t it?
Did the abolitionists who riled up the North and the South for half a century with their hate speech against slavery ever succeed in their goals? You bet they did, but what price did the U.S pay for its century long political correctness? 600,000-700,000 men. What would have happened if the U.S had listened to the reason and morality earlier, regardless of the vitriol in which it was embedded? African Americans would have had their rights far earlier than the 1960’s.
I am referring to whites living in the Western world. Yes they do, to various degrees. What else do you expect from the fact that for 5 centuries, the West drilled into their heads that their religion, civilization, and morals were superior and reinforced these beliefs by murdering, raping, and converting the heathens? Look at the behavior of Scales, Indra Deva, and Flex Penguin. All they do is spout racist and ignorant comments about Indians, Hindus, and Hinduism. “India is a gutter…” “Everyone knows that without Christianity and the West, [insert stereotypical comment about barbarians].” “Hinduism is nothing but baseless rituals and cow-worship.” The fact is that you have racist and supremacist biases. You, deep down, do believe that you are more civilized and, essentially, better than the rest of the world. It is an outcome of living in the West. Face it.
“…express my views as I was taught or through what I’ve read.” THATS IS PRECISELY MY POINT! You have BIASES! EVERYONE has biases. In this case, you are basing your knowledge of off biased, anti-Hindu Western academia and media. However, everyone has the ability to get rid of these biases. But are you making any attempt to rectify your biases? No, you are not. You, and almost everyone on this forum, is still saying Yoga is older than Hinduism. Do you realize how retarded you would look if you went to India and said this? And no, don’t start telling me what white-washed Indians think of the origins of Yoga and Hinduism. They are just as biased as you are. This is why I say you are anti-Hindu; you have unconscious anti-Hindu biases and are refusing to change them despite what historical fact and non-PC Indians tell you about THEIR OWN RELIGION AND CULTURE.
Do you realize how disrespectful it is to rewrite someone’s post and make them look like nothing more than a deranged terrorist or make them look like it through personal attacks and misrepresentations? It is. You and your camp have long done this before I started doing the same to you guys.
I am indeed a young teenager whose whole life is before me. But I cannot live my life to the fullest while my people have been/are misunderstood, hated, scorned, raped, and murdered…by your people…by Muslims. I cannot live my life to the fullest when EVERY DAY someone makes a rude/ignorant remark about Hinduism, my skin color, mutant gods, cow-worship, and so forth. Enough is enough. It is time for change. Give up your ignorance and biases and much can be avoided. If not, then terrible things will happen. Now I won’t do anything…but I don’t speak for emotions of the oppressed 1.1 billion Indians in India. Don’t expect our 4 millennia long tradition of ahimsa to hold up against almost 2 millennia of our subjugation.
EDIT: As for the religion forum thing, you are wrong. They do not come here because what we say is strongly disagreeable to them. They do not come here because THEY find our impassioned defense of our views offensive and intolerant.
Are the Abrahamic religions weakened due to our efforts? That depends on how you view “change.” We may not have changed the views of most of the people that post and visit here, but we have definitely altered it. Who knows, maybe the idea we implant will come to hold sooner or later. In my book, that is definitely a success.
Do you really think by posting here you have weakened the Abrahamic religions? In my 2000 posts here I have discussed and debated ideas for my own pass time. I am not here to teach anybody anything or implement some political agenda. If I was, I would be in the wrong place. Even going out on the street, forming campaigns is more effective in getting the message across, than having debates on some internet forum.
If you really want to affect political change, you need to join the appropriate organizations. If you want to challenge the prejudices against Hinduism in Western academia, then you need to get involved in academia. There are already big scholars in this area, such as Raj Malholtra. And they have succeeded to some extent to to get prejudices against Hinduism more exposed and out in the open, and fostered discussion on it. Unfortunately, people like Raj Malholtra and his ilk get labelled Hindutva, so they carry weak weak currency amongst mainstream academics.
David Frawley has also done his bit. He has published many books exposing the prejudices against Hinduism. He has written a book on this exactly and gives helpful advice on how to take action against it.
The BJP, RSS are doing their part to get the prejudice against Hinduism exposed in the Indian political scene. There are countless RSS scholars who have spoken up against these issues, and who have a lot more clout and power than you and I will ever have.
If you want to see changes happen, you need to get involved in the right platform. Don’t delude yourself into thinking that by debating with people on the Yoga forum, you are going to bring down the Abrahamic religion. Bringing down the Abrahamic religion is not going to be easy - because it is 2-3 billion strong. That is about half of the worlds population. In order to bring the faith of 3 billion people down, you are going to have to fight a lot of wars. The result will be immeasurable loss of life.
There is a second way, which I have now realised cus my eyes have opened up to it, the emergence of a world religion formed out of every religion in the world. This world religion needs to be as such that it promotes religious freedom, but its structure is based on sound science, education and psychology and driven by a humanistic ethic.
There is a third way, forget about the world for now, and just focus on your own spiritual development. When you are developed enough, you will have power(true spiritual power) and people will listen to you. This is the path I am choosing.
[QUOTE=Surya Deva;53617]Do you really think by posting here you have weakened the Abrahamic religions? In my 2000 posts here I have discussed and debates ideas for my own pass time. I am not here to teach anybody anything or implement some political agenda. If I was, I would be in the wrong place. Even going out on the street, forming campaigns is more effective in getting the message across, than having debates on some internet forum.
If you really want to affect political change, you need to join the appropriate organizations. If you want to challenge the prejudices against Hinduism in Western academia, then you need to get involved in academia. There are already big scholars in this area, such as Raj Malholtra. And they have succeeded to some extent to to get prejudices against Hinduism more exposed and out in the open, and fostered discussion on it. Unfortunately, people like Rajiv Malholtra and his ilk get labelled Hindutva.
David Frawley has also done his bit. He has published many books exposing the prejudices against Hinduism. He has written a book on this exactly and gives helpful advice on how to take action against it.
The BJP, RSS are doing their part to get the prejudice against Hinduism exposed in the Indian political scene. There are countless RSS scholars who have spoken up against these issues, and who have a lot more clout and power than you and I will ever have.
If you want to see changes happen, you need to get involved in the right platform. Don’t delude yourself into thinking that by debating with people on the Yoga forum, you are going to bring down the Abrahamic religion. Bringing down the Abrahamic religion is not going to easy - because it is 2-3 billion strong. That is about half of the worlds population. In order to bring the faith of 3 billion people down, you are going to have to fight a lot of wars. The result will be immeasurable loss of life.
There is a second way, which I have now realised cus my eyes have opened up to it, the emergence of a world religion formed out of every religion in the world. This world religion needs to be as such that it promotes religious freedom, but its structure is based on sound science, education and psychology and driven by a humanistic ethic.
There is a third way, forget about the world for now, and just focus on your own spiritual development. When you are developed enough, you will have power and people will listen to you. This is the path I am choosing.[/QUOTE]
That is not what I meant when I said I had brought about change. I was saying that by saying what we say, we have altered the perceptions of the people in these forums. Of course I know that mere banter won’t affect any change in the long run, but in the short run, the ideas will be known (not necessarily accepted) for quite a while. You can’t deny that we have made an impact on these forums (semantics of the word impact aside).
As for the first path, you know I don’t have the education and experience to do that yet.
As for the second part, I am convinced that such a thing won’t be possible until every nation, every race, is roughly on the same level as the other. For example, it simply won’t do to have shamanic paths (which I believe to be the most advanced of all) be touted as viable when almost every nation/race who subscribes to it is considered undeveloped and uncivilized by capitalist and Western standards respectively. That day is far off.
As for the third part, you also know that I am way to young to do this. I have an obligation in this stage of my life, namely that of getting education and going to college so I can secure my future and support my parents.
When I grow up, I plan to do a mix of the first and the third. You can count on that. 
I would like to think that your take on me being “politically correct” is nothing more than me trying to be kind and practicing ahimsa.
Nah, often you trying to be nice and practicing ahimsa is being politically correct. Although it has to be noted you are more politically correct vis-a-vis Abrahamic religions, than Hinduism.
I hate to break it to you, but even my friends who you don’t know, think you are too politically correct and sacrifice honesty for political correctness.
And I challenge you to find one post that I’ve expressed hatred toward Hinduism. What I have done is express my views as I was taught or through what I’ve read. Are those views different than yours? Yes, in some instances they are. It doesn’t make me anti-Hindu. Please stop with that kind of talk. It is not becoming to a Hindu.
Where there is smoke there is fire. The charge of anti-Hinduism is levelled at you because you spread false views like Yoga predates Hinduism and you exagggerate Indian socio-historical evils like caste system and dowry as Hindu problems. Meanwhile, for Abrahamic religions, every criticism made of these religions is an isolated incident.
I have never seen you criticise Abrahamic religions, even when the evils are blatant and clear, but I have seen you criticise Hinduism.
You have also in the past openly supported and congratulated anti-Hindu Indian posters.
[QUOTE=Surya Deva;53623]Nah, often you trying to be nice and practicing ahimsa is being politically correct. Although it has to be noted you are more politically correct vis-a-vis Abrahamic religions, than Hinduism.
I hate to break it to you, but even my friends who you don’t know, think you are too politically correct and sacrifice honesty for political correctness.
Where there is smoke there is fire. The charge of anti-Hinduism is levelled at you because you spread false views like Yoga predates Hinduism and you exagggerate Indian socio-historical evils like caste system and dowry as Hindu problems. Meanwhile, for Abrahamic religions, every criticism made of these religions is an isolated incident.
I have never seen you criticise Abrahamic religions, even when the evils are blatant and clear, but I have seen you criticise Hinduism.
You have also in the past openly supported and congratulated anti-Hindu Indian posters.[/QUOTE]
And when we point out that it is a historical fact the caste system and sati were isolated cases in pre-British rule, we get scoffed at.
If this is what its like to be a Hindu, I can’t imagine what it is like to be an African. Bless their oppressed souls…
As for the anti-Hindu Indian poster, the ex-Dalit, I truly felt sorry for him…
You have also in the past openly supported and congratulated anti-Hindu Indian posters.
If I thought someone made a good point or echoed my sentiments, then yes I congratulated them. I really think you are confusing people who are trying to show an opposing viewpoint and anti-Hinduism. I can’t recall anyone saying they hate Hindu’s or hate Hinduism.
I have never seen you criticise Abrahamic religions, even when the evils are blatant and clear, but I have seen you criticise Hinduism.
Really? This is not true. I have agreed with many of the atrocities perpetuated by the Catholic Church in particular. You keep saying the same things over and over. I assume that by doing so you will believe it to be true.
I hate to break it to you, but even my friends who you don’t know, think you are too politically correct and sacrifice honesty for political correctness.
You don’t hate to break this to me, SD, you enjoy it. I don’t care, to be honest. And I would have to question your motives for saying something that is so mean spirited.