During the practice of the 5 tibetans I start doing 2 breath deep breaths in between each rite, perhaps I end up with less time than 10, but now intuitively I add one more due to the needed of grounding, maybe the time is longer for sure.
I never ever feeling any discomfort during the practice, it works for me is very beautiful.
thank you Tri
can u decribe the process & how to do the 5 tibetan ? really interest to know more about that.
Hi Tina. They are Five Yoga Movements that you build up till you are doing 21 repetitions per day. Go to my website and download the original book for free. Unless you are very healthy and fit, with no known or previous back or neck issues, don’t learn them from the original book - learn them from our DVD which is much, much more comprehensive and has been designed by teachers of thousands of students with input from health practitioners such as osteopaths, chiropractors and physiotherapists. I can’t post url so go to T5T dot com and look up “Downloads” under "Learn T5T"for long term practice. All the best
I see many interesting things here about the five Tibetans.
However, if you practice yoga I do not think it is necessary to practice AND the five Tibetans. Am I right ?
[QUOTE=tina;20567]in TST.com can’t find the concerned information , may be reserch it later, thanksfor theinstruction[/QUOTE]
Hi Tina - Its T and the number 5 not S. So T5T dot com and then look at the red global navigation bar and see “Learn or Teach” - a drop down window will open and you will see “Free Downloads” - choose the Free E-Book which tells the original story! Good luck this time. The name T5T stands for “The Five Tibetans” by the way.
[QUOTE=oak333;20569]I see many interesting things here about the five Tibetans.
However, if you practice yoga I do not think it is necessary to practice AND the five Tibetans. Am I right ?[/QUOTE]
No not necessary depending on what you are trying to achieve. The purpose of The Five Tibetans (according to the monks who developed them) is to get the chakras spin rate to speed up and harmonize/balance the body’s energy systems. They say that as we age the chakras slow down (& we are ALL aging) affecting our health and vitality. According to them - if we increase the spin rate of the chakras we can restore youthfulness and vitality to our body/mind. Why don’t you check out my website t5T dot com like Tina in this thread and download the free e-book?
A lot of people who do yoga, also do The Five Tibetans because of the reason above. If you look on my website you will see many testimonials from yoga teachers and other practitioners. The biggest benefit claimed is increased energy. Many yoga practitioners cannot afford or do not have the time to do as much yoga as they would like - so doing T5T daily which takes around 10 - 15 minutes - is a wonderful boost to their ongoing yoga practice. As you will know, doing yoga daily is ideal, but most people can’t fit it in. By doing this brief but powerful daily routine, you will find your other yoga benefits because you will be stronger, and more flexible due to your daily practice.
The other time it is used is like a warm-up or a cool-down. So, its up to what you are trying to achieve! All yoga is good yoga!
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A lot of people who do yoga, also do The Five Tibetans because of the reason above. If you look on my website you will see many testimonials from yoga teachers and other practitioners. The biggest benefit claimed is increased energy.
The other time it is used is like a warm-up or a cool-down. So, its up to what you are trying to achieve! All yoga is good yoga![/QUOTE]
Your advice is well taken. Thanks.
[QUOTE=oak333;20581]Your advice is well taken. Thanks.[/QUOTE]
No problem at all! Namaste
Get it la, I saw the short demo the poses are easy to follow, later will download the ebook for further study.Thanks a lot for the information, I am getting low energy lately hope with this extra help I will be back to normal in short time.
[QUOTE=tina;20586]Get it la, I saw the short demo the poses are easy to follow, later will download the ebook for further study.Thanks a lot for the information, I am getting low energy lately hope with this extra help I will be back to normal in short time.[/QUOTE]
Good luck. Happy to help!
[QUOTE=The Five Tibetans;20491]Hi, I’ve been teaching The Five Tibetans for 9 years and agree with Vestnikra that there is a definite need to be ‘in the present moment’ when practicing The Five Tibetans. Otherwise it is just like another calisthenic exercise instead of “meditation in motion”. Regarding the time it takes to do them, we did a test of a group of 20 practitioners who were up to 21 repetitions per day and the average time taken was just under 10 minutes. This is the “T5T” version that we teach which incorporates 3 x energy breaths between each Rite and the addition of core stability to the movements. Because the core muscles are activated correctly the spine is protected during the movements. In T5T we do not collapse the vertebrae and discs of the spine together which is a potential cause of pain or injury to those with a previous history of injury or prone to it due to degeneration, muscular weakness/imbalance etc. If you are not conscious when you are doing these movements there is a real tendency to use the momentum of the movement & therefore be unaware of any pinching or other sign of discomfort. Continuing to repeat movements incorrectly the same way over time, can lead to repetitive strain type injury so it is important to have your alignment, control correct throughout the sequence. If you think about it you are doing 21 repetitions of the 5 postures per day - over 365 days of a year that is 38,325! So yes, awareness is very important![/QUOTE]
It takes me at least 20 minutes for all 5 rites, (21 repetitions) and I noticed that the more you practice, the time tends to increase, your breath in and breath out become deeper and fuller, the movements amplitude becomes higher etc.
I have looked at a few web sites and even bought a DVD, Ancient Secret of the Fountain of Youth, with Jille Gleason and Rory Reich.
A question occurs: what do we really know about the origin of The Five Tibetans ? I saw
a story with an English colonel who went to a monastery in Tibet (which monastery ?)
and saw there monks in better shape than the other monks in Tibet. Do we have some
evidence about those monks in good shape ?
Please do not misunderstand me: I do NOT want to throw doubts about the validity of The Five Tibetans. I just want to be convinced of the validity.
That’s fair, oak333.
Their history participates in their validity more than the reports of these folks who use it right now?
[QUOTE=oak333;20816]A question occurs: what do we really know about the origin of The Five Tibetans ? I saw
a story with an English colonel who went to a monastery in Tibet (which monastery ?)
and saw there monks in better shape than the other monks in Tibet. Do we have some
evidence about those monks in good shape ?
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We can only guess now and rely on a common sense.
Some of my friends who practice yoga notice that 5 tibetans remind them some of the regular yoga movements.
The more I think about them the more I am convinced that Piter Kelder DID NOT disclose all details of the rites. There is nothing about breathing in the original book and he did not say a word about concentration, concsiousness and meditation which are very important part of the rites I think.
A British colonel in India (back when British colonels were roving through India) might not have noticed that he should pay attention to the breathing or anything more subtle than that.
Not sporting, don’tcha know, peeking in someone else’s noodle and all that rot.
(erm, do we know when he was there? Was this very recently, or in the empire/colonial days?)
Well, it looks like the things are a little more complicated.
Wikipedia lists a lot of disputed theories. It is pretty much info but no conclusion drawn.
Anyway, it seems that some people of Tibet do not recognize T5T like Tibetan. I talked to the owner of a Tibet store in Toronto (Tibetan 100 %) and he, politely, declined the discussion about T5T. We talked much more about Tibetan Medicine, Milepa, etc.
Here there is a dissertation about the origin of T5T:
In this dissertation the origins of T5T seem to be rather confused, shared between India, Tibet, China, and Nepal.
It is not so sure that we will ever learn the exact truth about it. So what remains is to make sure that the practice of T5T is really sound and beneficial.
What about asking Carolinda Witt, who has been teaching it for 9 years or so ? She posted on this thread under the handle The Five Tibetans.
Testimonials about the benefits (or ills) of T5T are welcome.
[QUOTE=Techne;20830]A British colonel in India (back when British colonels were roving through India) might not have noticed that he should pay attention to the breathing or anything more subtle than that.
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Good point, Techne. I read somewhere that The Tibetan Rites were performed in Tibet with: 1) breathing 2) mantras.
Do we have any info on that ?
[B]Breathing[/B]
Personally I think the omission of breathing in Kelder’s original 1939 & 1946 versions is a regrettable oversight! The Tibetans are renowned for their breathing techniques including their famous “Tumo Breathing”. Using just breathing and visualisation Tibetan monks can sit outside on a freezing cold night draped ONLY in soaking wet sheets. They must be able to maintain their body temperature and dry the sheets! This is just one example.
I took the view that the purpose of The Five Rites is rejuvenation or anti-aging if you like. If that is the case and we are going to do the routine every day - why not supercharge them through using breathing? So I added natural, full breathing (vitality in, wastes out) to the Rites based with modifications on the Complete Yogic Breathe. This is done between each Rite. Why?
How well you breathe literally dictates your lifespan. Animals that breathe the slowest live the longest. Here’s the research:
a[B]) The Framingham study (monitored thousands of participants spanning a 30 year period)[/B] focused on the long-term predictive power of vital capacity and forced exhalation volume as the primary markers for life span. “This pulmonary function measurement appears to be an indicator of general health and vigor and literally a measure of living capacity”. Wm B. Kannel and Helen Hubert.
These researchers were able to foretell how long a person was going to live by measuring forced exhalation breathing volume, FEV1 and hypertension. We know that much of hypertension is controlled by the way we breathe. “Long before a person becomes terminally ill, vital capacity can predict life span.” William B. Kannel of Boston School of Medicine (1981)
The test ?Forced Exhalation Volume? measures the amount of air a person can forcefully breathe out in one second, and is called FEV1
[B]b) Lung Function May Predict Long Life Or Early Death [/B]
How well your lungs function may predict how long you live. This finding is the result of a nearly 30-year follow-up of the association between impaired pulmonary function and all causes of mortality, conducted by researchers at the University at Buffalo. Results of the study appear in the September issue of Chest.
Schunemann HJ, Dorn J, Grant BJB, Winkelstein W, Jr., Trevisan M. Pulmonary Function Is a Long-term Predictor of Mortality in the General Population 29-Year Follow-up of the Buffalo Health Study. Chest 2000;118(3)656-664.
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c) Deep/Slow Breathing Beneficial in Heart Failure or Other Diseases[/B]
In teaching chronic heart failure patients (CHF) how to breathe, researchers at the University of Pavia, Italy discovered that slowing the respiratory rate to 6 breaths a minute reduces shortness of breath, improves pulmonary gas exchange and exercise performance in patients with CHF. Practicing slow and deep breathing thus can be beneficial in heart failure or in other diseases. (Source: Lancet. 1998 May 2; 351(9112):1308-11.)
A world-renowned breathing expert worked with me in creating the breathing philosophy in T5T - I can’t post a link yet as I am new, but feel free to write to me in the contact form of my website T5T dot com. By the I call it T5T (which is a Registered Trademark) to distinguish the T5T method from everyone else because it is unique in that it includes core stability, step-by-step progression and the breathing. Also self-development.
Going a little further.
Scroll down to "Disputed Origins."
...A comparison shows a remarkable similarity between the Rites and authentic Tibetan "phrul khor" exercises.....
It has been argued that The Five Rites PREDATE YOGA as we know it today by as much as 700 years, and could not have been derived from either Tibetan or Indian yoga.
However, Chris Kilham -author of the 1994 book The five Tibetans-states that : the issue at hand is NOT the lineage of The Five Tibetans. The point is their IMMENSE POTENTIAL value for those who clear 10 minutes a day to practice.
Another point now: I heard about a Tibetan Saint with the name NAROPA. He practised
The Six Yogas. It looks like there is a relationship between The Five Tibetan Rites and the yogas of Naropa. It looks like, but to me it looks like I do not know yet this relationship.
To summarize my present knowledge and questions:
The Five Rites (or six) seem to have an authentic old lineage, although it is not
clear what.
The Five Rites (or six) seem to have great benefits.
The Five Rites (or six) seem to have been accompanied by Breathing and Mantras.
Which are the authentic breathing exercises and mantras ?