Some light on Kriya Yoga

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#10

What is a guru, by the way:
A guru can be

  1. A personal teacher
  2. Many personal teachers
  3. The dosumented teachings of the above gurus plus your sound intellect. This third one depends on belief, discernment, high IQ.
  4. Life’s mischief itself. This requires no IQ at all, just an innocent heart who trusts in some almighty and surrenders in all its sorrows. Then a light might shine within.
    Unfortunately, gurus are making a lot of money by denying this, nowadays. The best example to show is get a regular job, even part-time, which is nothing spiritual, even if you have reached enlightenment. There is no need to quote, we should not repeat things, people are of various intellectual abilities. I have never had a yoga, meditation, mathematics of programming teacher. But I am doing okay.
#11

I’d like to think the purpose of yoga would have an end result that would exceed “okay”.

#12

Yes, and then when one do get a teacher one day you suddenly realise there are many more ways to calculate 1+1. The value of a teacher, no matter who or what, is important and one should never down play that importance. Remember the teacher comes in many forms, of which the human form is but a fraction.

#13

if he is doing ok with doing okay, what more could you wish for? buhda said it is better to travel well then to arrive,

#14

Indeed he has the freedom to voice his opinion. However he must therefore be prepared to accept comment on that opinion. The user has stated quite clearly that you DO NOT NEED A GURU . If we are talking about carpentry or some other profession then this may indeed be true. We are talking here however of the height of human evolution, attaining the Almighty Himself. The Upanishads do not call it the razor’s edge for nothing. It is the thing most worth attaining and as such it is the most difficult of tasks. In this kaliyug where humility is indeed wanting it seems that every second person is self realized. Of all these that claim, perhaps 1 - 2 % have really attained That. Surely we are all the blind leading the blind. Surely only those who Know should be giving advise. Are we not just a bunch of ignorant egos voicing are various opinions. What the use? There will just be a counter and counter to that. I quit:-)

#15

One would not deny that Kriya or any other meditation without a guru/initiation works to some extent. Some peace of mind can be obtained. The question is whether it is correct for souls like us, trapped in the illusion of samsara to state like wise jnanis “you do not need initiation”. You do not need initation to PRACTICE, but are you seriously seeking God?
To reach the Ultimate is decribed in upanishads as “the razor’s edge”. Those who have reached this state advise us it is the only worthwhile pursuit in this life, and being such is also the most DIFFICULT. THis is not carpentry we are talking about, not even brain surgery, but snubbing out the ego, the “I”. A little like biting ones own teeth - I seeking to destry I. Rare sages like Sri Ramana Maharshi or Ramakrishna Paramahamsa may have obtained this state without a human guru (although even Ramakrishna had mentors) due to their efforts in previous births, but even they tell us for the majority of humanity a human guru is required. Us ignorant fools are like the blind leading the blind -each one putting forth his/her limited viewpoint based on his/her experience.
BTW regarding the quote of Buddhas" this saying is ‘attributed’ to Shakyamuni but can you give me the sutra wherein it is contained?
Light to all - no matter how many lives it may take us!

#16

Proof that God exists. If He is there and is so kind, why should his children even seek Him. He should seek us. So many people suffering, where is He?
Also, one guru says Kriya has nothing to do with spirituality. It is for the health.

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#17

In realising your own Divinity you realise God within and there is no need to question neither to proof That.

#18

guru brahma
guru vishnu
guru devo maheswara
guru sakhal parabrahma
thasmye sri guruve namah

the creation is your guru
the operation is your guru
and destruction is your guru
Guru is the creator…operator…and destructor of Ego
he is the pure consciousness itself.

#19

Yes…we are a bunch of egos.And …someone who attains realisation.:)For what can ego do for him by claiming ot not claiming it.

#20

Just putting my 2 cents in: I’d say you definitely need initiation. It is of utmost importance to have genuine contact with the kriya lineage. Anything else would be a sham. peeesh!

#21

I wonder who was the guru of the first guru ?

Probably some great gurus and saints did not have gurus. I do not know.
But IMHO we, mere mortals, really need a guru.

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#22

[QUOTE=oak333;17544]I wonder who was the guru of the first guru ?

Probably some great gurus and saints did not have gurus. I do not know.
But IMHO we, mere mortals, really need a guru.[/QUOTE]

If we are to transcend the world, to be in it but not of it, we would require a guru and a proven spiritual tradition.

#23

As the original poster of this thread I would kindly and respectfully request people to please stick to the topic of the original thread, which was about wether one needs initiation for kriya or not.

There is a whole thread at the moment which is very active about the need for a guru or not and I am sure your opinions about the guru would enjoy a wider audience under that thread.

I however thank all who has contributed to this thread from my heart.

#24

a guru will light your lamp,

without the lamp lit you can still get lower 7 chakra benefits,
lamp lightning is important :wink:

some kriya schools dont’ light lamps, some do ,

#25

hi all i am new to these forums
what a great place to meet other yogis/yoginis !!!
strong title to be sure … there is no right or wrong really the point i would
offer would be this and i offer this wishing not to offend anyone who thinks otherwise
i was initated into kriya by my GURU in India 1995 as a result of praying constantly to Yogananda that i did not want to recieve via srf etc anyway thats a whole story in itself
suffice to say that i have practised this holy science for a while now and still consider myself a beginner
may i suggest that devotion is the key to all this it is not just a method because dark nights will come and only devotion will keep you going then …
a GURU whom you have a close friendship with that you can call day or night who can explain and monitor your practise is the most wonderful experience available to a soul
my GURU showed me the light of BRAMHA whithin moments of our meeting
and radiated pure joy from every pore it was intoxicating just to sit with him
he has left the body now but continues to inspire me daily
prior to this i was practising meditation alone from books etc for a decade and feel my own practises helped prepare me so i would never discount that stage of developement
those who need to go further will ultimately have no choice but to seek a GURU because devotion isnt taught it is caught …in the company of the one infected by love of GOD
once again hi to all new friends in SOUL/GOD

#26

I would say one definetly needs an initiation into Kriya Yoga.
It doesnt have necessaryly to be the SRF school since the line of Lahiri Mahasaya still exists. Also there is Ananda and Hamsa Yoga doing intitiations. The full practise is not pubished in any book or web site. How can one practise something he dont know?
I was initiated last summer into Kriya Yoga by Yogiraj Sat Gurunath Siddhanath and since that time he guides my practise.
The guideance through a realised master is something I wouldn`t want to miss.

All the best
Lars

#27

[QUOTE=Lars Rimb?ck;25899]I would say one definetly needs an initiation into Kriya Yoga.
It doesnt have necessaryly to be the SRF school since the line of Lahiri Mahasaya still exists. Also there is Ananda and Hamsa Yoga doing intitiations. The full practise is not pubished in any book or web site. How can one practise something he dont know?
I was initiated last summer into Kriya Yoga by Yogiraj Sat Gurunath Siddhanath and since that time he guides my practise.
The guideance through a realised master is something I wouldn`t want to miss.

All the best
Lars[/QUOTE]

There are the LESSONS of Yogananda which show the techniques:

http://www.yogananda-srf.org/

#28

Hello Oak

Yes these lessons are online, they explain some introducing exerises but they don`t explain the complete practise.
So to be a little more concrete: The basic Kriya Yoga breathing is definetly not explained there.
And to repeat it:

The [U][B]full practise[/B][/U] is not pubished in any book or web site.

All the best
Lars

#29

Maybe this is helpful for some:

kriyayogainfo.net