I’m curious how each of you incorporate your knowledge of the five kleshas into your practice (if at all). During meditation? Every moment of your waking hours? If the kleshas distort our mind, does that mean pondering them with the mind is in itself a klesha? Do we have to FEEL them?
[QUOTE=David;36978]I’m curious how each of you incorporate your knowledge of the five kleshas into your practice (if at all). During meditation? Every moment of your waking hours? If the kleshas distort our mind, does that mean pondering them with the mind is in itself a klesha? Do we have to FEEL them?[/QUOTE]
Whenever I have that familiar feeling of cringing which signifies suffering on some level, I first avoid thinking about it. Then, since that does not work, I give in and try to figure out which one of the klesha-s is the cause of it. Then I try to think of how all the klesha-s are rooted in ignorance. Then, I pick up my fifty pound commentary of the yoga sutra-s and look up and consider all of these ideas, and the paths available to come out of such ignorance which feeds the other klesha-s. Half of the time I come to some resolution and then there is no more suffering about what was wrong. The other half of the time I spend so much time thinking that I forget what was making me cringe. Problem solved either way. 
[QUOTE=David;36978]I’m curious how each of you incorporate your knowledge of the five kleshas into your practice (if at all). During meditation? Every moment of your waking hours? If the kleshas distort our mind, does that mean pondering them with the mind is in itself a klesha? Do we have to FEEL them?[/QUOTE]
I suppose we will feel them… unless one becomes enlightened:)
I try to think them and feel the to the very bottom. To find the root and when you find the true root of the clesha you probebly can get rid of pain assosiated with it.
This is another thread on kleshas
http://www.yogaforums.com/forums/f20/yoga-sutras-ii-3-the-five-kleshas-or-primal-causes-of-suffering-1981.html
At the risk of sounding “smug” David, I wonder if it might be helpful if you outline the Kleshas as part of the inquiry? In my experience over the last ten years, in this country and abroad, in classes, privates, workshops, and conferences, most students are unaware of the Kleshas and can barely muster 3-4 of the Yamas/Niyamas. It is just not something that is being taught (enough).
gordon
I’m not really sure how that would make you smug, but ok
?vidyā - Ignorance of the true reality, the ego getting in the way of the soul
asmitā - Egoism - identifying with the ego
rāga - Attachment (The rāga is strong with this Jedi) to pleasure
dveṣa - Aversion - some say to pain
abhiniveśāḥ - Fear of dying or clinging to life
I’m sure others can expand upon interpretations/translations far more than what I’ve written here (and I welcome it as it would no doubt be interesting).
Ignorance is split into four parts; misperceiving…
• Self <—> Non-self
• Pain <—> Pleasure
• Pure <—> Impure
• Permanent <—> Impermanent
I’ve used the two-way arrows to indicate that it is bi-directional.
In other words, an ignorance is mistaking pain for pleasure (fries and a coke) as well as mistaking pleasure for pain (raw kale).
I don’t practice the five kleshas (kinda sorta) and until this post I had no idea what they were, (kinda sorta)…
but then I practice Zazen so I’m exempt
Thank you for this post, it taught me something
Abhinivesah is the hardest one to deal with. For many people It`s not easy even to understand.
For me raw kale is a pleasure. One dvesha`s deleted
Actually that’s only 1/8 of Avidya