Truth about yoga (a article for discussion)

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#560

Kasi,

’ I believe the Buddha interpreted these teachings (from live people, not from the Vedas) as ‘life is suffering.’

It has absolutely nothing to do with borrowed knowledge, what Gautama Buddha has seen was out of ones own direct insight into seeing things as they are. And if you have clear eyes, then you will be able to verify the same phenomenon - that life for most people who are living in a deep sleep is certainly full of suffering. By ’ suffering ‘, one does not mean being dragged and thrown into some kind of torture chamber. ’ Suffering’ simply means, that for one reason or another, you are simply not contented with things as they are. You may be trying to achieve all kinds of things in the world, but whatever is achieved is not going to be capable of providing anything more than temporary sastifaction. That is natural - the whole universe is in a constant state of change, the flux is unceasing. Not just the whole universe, but the mind and body themselves are also in a constant stream of change. So if you are clinging to anything which may arise in your experience rather than moving in harmony with the stream of things, then it is certain to create immense suffering for oneself. This is not a belief or a philosophy - this is simply direct insight into things as they are.

'The pre-Jain Sramanas were probably also an influence who introduced Reincarnation proper where all lifeforms literally take on other bodies with each birth (as apposed to dissolving into ‘elements’ that recombine). Sankara, the Hindu reformer, liked the later idea better ’

For one such as yourself, so called ‘reincarnation’ is just that - nothing more than an idea. But for one who has come to know oneself, through and through, it is simply a scientific fact. How ‘reincarnation’ is interpreted is another matter entirely, but it is not something which is born out of philosophy. Because once you enter into the deeper levels of your unconscious through meditation - then you will discover so many memories of so called past lives - not just memories of being a human, but there may be memories of being a bird, a dog, a lion, a fly or a worm - a whole history of life has been recorded in the depths of one uncosncious. There is certain information that has entered into ones mind which is just what your mind has gathered in this life, and there is certain information your mind has gathered at birth as a result of thousands of years of evolution, which is impersonal. And what is certain is that if your energies have taken the form of past lives, then they are certain to manifest in future lives. Nothing in existence is ever created or destroyed, it is just recycled in countless different ways. So while ‘reincarnation’ may be just an idea for those who have yet to come to such discoveries, for those who have been walking the path towards their awakening and have come to a certain direct experience of such things, it is simply a scientific phenomenon.

#561

Amir

No doubt, the practices behind Yoga are universal and can be found in many cultures around the world. I get more into this in my posting “thoughts on meditation.”

The word ‘Yoga’ on the other hand was only used in the Hindu cannon of Sanskrit literature until recently. The means of combining asana, pranayama, mudra, dhyana and dharana is unique to Hindu literature (until recently).

But that does not mean that other cultures did not share a lot of similarities. It is almost the same ideas using different languages.

The Kabbalist uses light and ‘chakra’ like visualizations in a similar way.
The Kahuna of Hawaii use similar breathing exercises (as do the Taoists)
The Ancient Egyptians used ‘mudra’ like hand gestures in seated and standing positions that can be considered 'asanas.'
No doubt ‘dharana’ techniques are used in most mystic schools from Sufi to Magi to Druids. Most often as patterns similar to ‘yantras’ and holy words, letters and symbols (mantras, etc.)

Even though they are all similar, I would not use these Sanskrit terms for them because they are different routes to climb the same tree, and I want to respect the cultures they come from.

The Yogic terms you are using are from Hindu sources. You can do the same practice with no terms, or chose any other cultural term, and you will reach the same. The truth is universal.

But ‘Yoga’ is Hindu.

#562

[QUOTE=AmirMourad;64386]But for one who has come to know oneself, through and through, it is simply a scientific fact.[/QUOTE]

I take it you must know yourself. Thinking this is the first step to not knowing ones self.

Having studied Yoga for decades, and having meditated every morning for 30+ years (and sometimes full days and nights or more when the chance was there), I have experienced many amazing things.

But I am much more rigorous on what I would consider ‘scientific fact.’ A personal experience is not a scientific fact, though I do think there are aspects of reality that science in it’s present state can not reach.

We interpret our experiences to what we know. Carl Sagan has shown how an experience that a previous culture would have attributed to daemons in our modern culture is attributed to space aliens.

I think ‘reincarnation’ is one of those kinds of experiences. I’ve experienced oneness with everything, had the feeling of a millions years in the past and in the future and watching it all from above, but from the present knowledge of ‘scientific fact’ my interpretation fits well with what we know about DNA and our genes - our real self as known at this point in ‘scientific fact.’

I am not saying that is it for sure, but I still try to match my observations with the observations around me. Have you heard of the blind men and the elephant?

Also, reincarnation is a late development in Hindu literature. Yet, the idea that we are made of the same star ‘stuff’ that reshapes itself from old life to new is acknowledged as far back as the Vedas. It still does not make it true. I just think it is an interesting coincidence. I am willing to go with this for now at least.

By the way, if yoga and meditation are all that great, than why are there so much greatness in the world done by people who don’t do yoga or meditate and so many wacked out yogis and meditation experts?

I think there are way to many delusional people, and the practice in it’s present form is not helping.

Time to get back to the source!

#563

The skillful methods and techniques of the yogic sciences help prepare one to experience with pure consciousness, void of illusions, else one may simply catch a warped glimpse of what they want to experience. No doubt there have been those who have accidently stumbled blindly beyond the three consciousnesses into absolute reality but the encounter tainted with hard wired delusions.

#564

May ‘your’ God got with you
Namaste

#565

Kasi,

A personal experience is not a scientific fact, though I do think there are aspects of reality that science in it's present state can not reach.

There is a difference between a personal experience and a scientific process. The spiritual sciences involve the subjective, but that doesn`t mean it is not a scientific process. There is a certain science behind how the mechanism of the mind and body are functioning, as well as a science as to how to explore every dimension of what a human being is. When we say a science, we are talking about a methodology for exploration. Yoga is a science in that, through certain experiments, you can explore the deepest dimensions of existence within your own being.

#566

[QUOTE=Kasi;64394]I take it you must know yourself. Thinking this is the first step to not knowing ones self.

Also, reincarnation is a late development in Hindu literature. Yet, the idea that we are made of the same star 'stuff' that reshapes itself from old life to new is acknowledged as far back as the Vedas. It still does not make it true. I just think it is an interesting coincidence. I am willing to go with this for now at least.

The idea of reincarnation is not something which is just limited to what the Hindus, Buddhists, Jains, and Sikhs have been talking about. In Chinese alchemy, they have always been talking about it. In Taoism, they have always known of it. The ancient Egyptians, who were adept in their own ways in the spiritual sciences, were familiar with it. It is something which has been known for ages, though the fact that many different cultures and spiritual traditions have been talking about it means nothing by itself. The reason why reincarnation is considered something scientific for those who have experienced it is simply because, if you access certain depths of the unconscious, one will find not just memories which have been gathered in this life, but memories which have been recorded which extend beyond this life which are impersonal. There are many methods in yoga to be able to discriminate between whether these memories are just your imagination, or whether they are actualities. In either case, whether there is such a thing as reincarnation or not is totally irrelevant. What is relevant is to come to know oneself right now. Whether or not there are past lives, it comes to the same - what you are right now as a personality is a result of so many memories which have been gathered in the unconscious, which are influencing the present in so many different ways.

By the way, if yoga and meditation are all that great, than why are there so much greatness in the world done by people who don't do yoga or meditate and so many wacked out yogis and meditation experts?

I do not know what you mean by greatness. Definitely man has achieved much without the spiritual sciences. But if we are to truly enjoy any of these achievements, man must be free of suffering. And, most of the problems of humanity are entirely creations of the mind. Unless we deal with the mind directly, we will be trying to solve all of the symptoms of a problem rather than striking to the root causes. At the end of the day, all of our efforts are just for one thing - whether we know it or not, happiness. Even the person who wants to enter into heaven with God, is only believing in such an idea because he thinks God is going to be the source of his happiness.

I think there are way to many delusional people, and the practice in it's present form is not helping.

Time to get back to the source!``

That is true. What is being offered today in the Western marketplace as yoga has not really helped people. In many cases it has only helped to magnify one`s delusions. A tool is just a tool. You can create medicine out of it and you can also create poison out of it. It all depends on the quality of the mind which is using any method.

#567

Jesus taught the path of love - the purest form of Bhakti. Few really understand his message of tolerance and universal brotherhood. Real Christians commune with Jesus in the same way yogis worship their gurus. All is One, why see differences?

#568

Do some research on christian mystics and saints. People like saint Theresa of Avila and others took Christianity to a mystic level that approached eastern philosophies in character and content. You may be surprised. Human “Spirituality” is the well spring of all religions.

I’m on the other side of the equation: I’m an agnostic with a deep distrust of all religions. I had a problem initially with chanting, yet a few stuck with me. I do the Anusara invocation to myself before class because it is no longer chanted out loud. I know it is to Shiva, but it feels like a Gregorian chant. I also chant the “lokah samasta sukhino bhavantu” chant, finding the “melody” contour pleasing.

Ed S.

#569

Yoga is the reunion of body with soul. Once practised it definitely helps mind and body to relax.

Whatever religion we belong yoga causes improved health benefits due to more supply of oxygen in the body cells.

So do yoga…pranayama and meditation.

#570

Read the article from the source,
they seem to be implying that yoga
is some New Age religion-which bothers me
a lot.

I can’t even consider yoga become a religion
on its own. The comments on the blog posts
are pretty disturbing as well.
Whatever floats their boat I guess.

XOXO,
Sexy Yogi

#571

It looks like both religion and yoga are fighting the same enemy, which is our mind, the weapons are different though, the result (one pointed attention and focus on one thought) should be the same. After that it looks like it is no longer in the domain of our will power.

#572

Who cares what silly people say. Do your yoga and enjoy it!

#573

if you ( Surya deva ) can , and I am sure you can, it is a question of if you Will, if you can interpret this from Hindu scripture symbolically in the spirit of ahimsa and love then why can’t you do the same for the Christian scripture, eg. no one gets to the Father except by me. Christ does not exclude other cosmic men from being in the same place he is - he is simply there at the spiritual point before the universal ground of being. Here is the hindu scripture : The Lord said: “I am mighty, world-destroying Time, now engaged here in slaying these men. Even without you, all these warriors standing arrayed in the opposing armies shall not live. Therefore stand up and win glory; conquer your enemies and enjoy an opulent kingdom. By Me and none other have they already been slain; be an instrument only, O Arjuna. Kill Drona and Bhishma and Jayadratha and Karna, and the other great warriors as well, who have already been killed by Me. Be not distressed by fear. Fight, and you shall conquer your foes in the battle.” - I agree with yogandy- it is silly to argue- open your mind to interpretations not simple transliteration-Christianity can be simply love and that is inclusive of all

#574

we have divided everything (country, casts, race, color etc) in the world, so keep at least yoga away from any division. It is universal, practice it and enjoy it benefit…that is it. It is like electricity, use it to glow bulb without any background theory.

#577

‘happy yoga’ great book!

#578

Yoga means harmony with body, mind and soul. Enjoy your journey, open your chakras and don't bother with stuff like religion and politics.

#579

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#580

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