What are our dreams?

I have not been a active user here for last 2 months due to many personal reasons. I have been thinking about this since ever and I am sure most of you have thought about this at some point of life as well.

So here goes:

What exactly you think our dreams are? There are so many beliefs for this but nothing seems to make sense. Are these derams just our thoughts? Our insecurities? Our desires, goals? Or is it voice form the power full super knowledgeable sub-concious? Is it some spirit (aatma) getting us those derams?

What are your experiences and thoughs?

My experience is that dreams are what we make them into. We can let them be random neuron firings, a playground, or interpretable guidance. Caution is needed when applying what makes sense to a sleepy (or sleeping) mind to the waking world; don’t let a dream distract you from what you know is good and right, but do let a dream invite you to wonder about other good and right things you might add to your life, or depleting things you might let go.

Maranatha, I think that is beautifully said. I also think part of the role dreams play is processing our experiences, thoughts, feelings, and energies. If a certain feeling of a dream sticks with me when I wake up, I tend to ask myself why that might be, without over analyzing it.

Ah…[I]life[/I] is a dream!

Wake up!

                        ...The Buddha

P.S. Explore Dream Yoga…the Tibetans are the
experts in it. Read [I]Lucid Dreaming [/I]by Stephen Leberge
and [I]The Tibetan Yogas of Dream and Sleep[/I] by Tenzin Wangyal Rinpoche
:wink:
Best with Blessings,
Nancy

Interesting question! I like dreaming subject. My thoughts on dreaming are: a dream is an activity of the brain and it has therefore similar properties as thinking. In our thinking we can just wander about some events of the day or we can have period of focused “enlightenment” when we have feeling we understood some important concept about nature of the world. The same with dreams - they can just wander from one scene to another or can be very significant and impressive. Also, they involve bodily sensations, emotions, deeper feelings, thinking, creativity, spiritual experiences. So I think it’s not possible to pinpoint dreaming to one form of mental activity or area of brain/psyche.

Contents of our psyche (including sub-consciousness) “live” inside us and the way they “live” depends on state of our brain/mind and especially on focus of our awareness and control mechanisms. In waking state we see world in different way (interpretation and repression of undesired contents). In dreaming this interpretation and repression is of different nature and may result in different image of world and ourselves.

Dreaming is for me a test for real knowledge and enlightenment. I believe that if you really know your nature, you would be able to understand an origin and function/aim of your specific dreams and fantasies. E.g. like with physiological phenomena: my body got hot because I was running and it’s result of high metabolism and is affecting my body in this and this fashion. So similar in dreams: e.g. dream that I was naked when I came to my old high-school was caused by my recent experience of difficulty at work which triggered background thoughts that I’m not adequate and my boss may see it and it will put me in danger, and image of high-school was brought up because during high-school times I was especially struggling with feeling of inadequacy. I’m bit harsh in my attitude, but if a “spiritual master” will not be able to explain his dreams and fantasies in this manner I will not see him as expert in human nature (and not therefore competent to claim deep knowledge of reality itself). I like this text from one temple in Delphi: Gnōthi seaut?n (know thyself). Or maybe I’m wrong – maybe you can know nature of reality without understanding yourself?

Thanks for interesting post!

Hi Yalgaar,

My teacher used to say that our dreams are our real reality and that our waking state is all but a dream.

Since 2001 I have started to keep a dream diary, it makes interesting reading and sometimes when I go back into it, I am astonished to see that something I dreamt of in 2002 for example has just completed itself or found some form of manifestation.

I like to think of dreams as windows of opportunitiy for the soul, how you act either in the dream or in the waking state on the contents of the dream depends fully on your own awareness of who you are and where you are in life.

Dreams both can be meaningless body related mind images, and expereinces of another world. Of course the latter requires quite a lot of explanation, as the formulation might mislead us. To correct that, let me use the words of Christ Jesus: the kingdom of heaven is within you. That was said with the intention to turn an extroverted intellectual culture/people to the reality of inner life. Truth is that the kingdom of heaven is neither outside and nor inside, it just IS/EXISTS. The human condition of today is that we have full consciousness in our sensorial mind. We have grown accustomed to the physical vehicle, what actually is the bases of our daytime consciousness and feeling of individuality/self/ego. It is hard to talk about these things as concepts and ideas because all of these has been used, learnt in and used in many situations without most of us making the right connections. This is not criticism, but statement, and it is not boasting as I just share what I have recieved.

To put it simply, while sleeping, we actually enter another world, the so called astral world, some ethimology would explain the name but let just leave that now.
Than why don’t we know that, how come we lose our consciousness ?

The answer is that we simply lack the soul qualities/organs what would provide us with a base for our self consciousness, while we are in this level of the “kingdom of heaven”, rupa, loka, or spiritual world.
These qualities/organs are organs of our astral body, manomaya kosha, also called wheels or the more popular “chakras/lotuses”. For the spiritual seer (one who has aquired the ability/bases to maintain consciousness in the astral world) the astral body of the uninitiated is undeveloped, dark, chaotic and without structure. Only through spiritual discipline and training are these structures ordered, and created - to say activated is just partly true as only half of the existing “petals of the lotuses” is given. This might create confusion as our materialistic mind often sees chakras as rigid structures. But they are not so, the astral world is much more flexible, and the limitations of spacial causality do not apply here.

Enough to say, milestones of spiritual development are the abilities to maintain/aquire self consciousness in various states of sleeping. This needs not to discourage us - remember that humanity has a normal course of evolution, and what we talk about here, normally will be aquired in later ages for most. There is no rush. But what is important to retain, is that all moral practices, yamas, niyamas, the eightfold path of Buddha, commandments, they all work towards this direction.

What Pandara’s teacher says is true. The astral world is more real than the seemingly objective “outer” one. That is the only obejective reality for us because this is where our clear self consciousness manifests itself. So far, I was just sharing and explaining. But let me use the maya, veil, concept of eastern wisdom you are familiar with. It is also a true formulation - because it is just the veil of a world of higher reality, the one we were talking about.

For our present daytime consciousness, the outer world of the senses is more real and objective because we all have similarly developed tools to expereince it: our senses. The reality of the astral, mental world for most is theoretical, because compared to the steadiness of this world of the senses where we can always return, the astral/mental world seems fleeting and arbitrary. But when we develop the senses for it, not physical senses but spiritual “eyes” and “ears”, what are nothing else but the soul structures called chakras/lotuses, than we realize that it not just has the same reality as that what we experince with our ordinary senses, but we also realize that the latter is the result, the manifestated effect of the former, and as such it is of a higher order of causality.

Just a few thoughts, to implement this interesting question about dreams into our everyday yoga practice.

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