[QUOTE=YogiAdam;55799]Admittedly I had a huge angus steak today, but in general I’m having mainly fish, turkey and chicken, and in small portions. Cause I’m always working out hard, I just need an easy way to get in protein, and a a shake, some eggs, and a little meat does it. I’m not red :)[/QUOTE]
Is it hard to build protein with just veg?..I mean the amount needed for quite heavy workouts that you might do? like weightlifting etc
[QUOTE=kareng;55809]Is it hard to build protein with just veg?..I mean the amount needed for quite heavy workouts that you might do? like weightlifting etc[/QUOTE]
Oh yeah. You couldn’t even get close unless you started chowing down on Tofu and meat substitutes, which I think are even less healthy in most instances. I mean if you think about it… meat = nature, tofu = man made crap 
I’ve tried to lower protein before, and I ended up losing muscle and feeling like an anemic zombie. It just doesn’t work for me.
I’m not against vegetarianism at all, but people just need to except that it won’t work for everyone cause we have evolved eating meat, and often when you remove something natural, you can end up with problems.
There’s a phrase for you Karen---- a pathological liar.
[QUOTE=core789;55818]There’s a phrase for you Karen---- a pathological liar.[/QUOTE]
I though you just asked us to keep you out of our rubbish??
interesting point Yogi that you feel it doesn’t work for you…
[QUOTE=YogiAdam;55821]I though you just asked us to keep you out of our rubbish??[/QUOTE]
A pair of arseholes…i mean the pair of you.
[QUOTE=kareng;55822]interesting point Yogi that you feel it doesn’t work for you…[/QUOTE]
lol I found it a boring point… I eat meat, feel normal. avoid meat, feel shit. But then again, if you find my most boring points interesting, imagine what you must think of my exciting points!!
Ha…no its interesting that you express vegetarianism doesn’t work for you when you have tried…
[QUOTE=core789;55823]A pair of arseholes…i mean the pair of you.[/QUOTE]
I’m not trying to be mean. I just think it’s double standards to ask us not to get you involved in our rubbish, but then on the very post try to get us involved in your rubbish.
Yoogi…Go and FCUK OFF and take your shit and hers somewhere else.I say this because you and her like a bad rash or a swarm of flies. One feels like swatting a few now and then so they cease bothering you again in the future…i.e get the hint.
Far from subtle, i know.But they should get the point that way.
[QUOTE=kareng;55827]Ha…no its interesting that you express vegetarianism doesn’t work for you when you have tried…[/QUOTE]
Yeah but that’s what I’m saying. We have evolved to eat meat. For example our brains developed rapidly from protein, we have K9 teeth, we need vitamin B12 which is almost impossible to get from non-animal products.
So because we have evolved to eat meat, some of us struggle if we remove it form our diet. It’s like anything. If we all removed essential fatty acids from our diet, it would have an effect on our bodies, some of us more than others.
[QUOTE=core789;55830]Yoogi…Go and FCUK OFF and take your shit and hers somewhere else.I say this because you and her like a bad rash or a swarm of flies. One feels like swatting a few now and then so they cease bothering you again in the future…i.e get the hint.
Far from subtle, i know.But they should get the point that way.[/QUOTE]
I sell FCUK at work. French connection UK.
Hey , i have just joined this site, really cool, and am a body-builder myself with an absolutely stunning physique i can attest that the girls literally go weak at the knees. I eat the protein shakes like milkshakes and they all say i look hot.
Can someone do this shit but still do yoga?
please guide…i am a complete newb…
i am hoping you all give me good advice.
thanks
Well this thread appears to have taken a major now detour hasn’t it.
To get to the discussion between The Scales and YogiAdam as it applies to Protein intake and testosterone levels
Increasing protein intake has not been proven to increase testosterone. However increasing testosterone in older male adults has been proven to increase protein syntheses as well as increase bone mass
To get back to the original post about food ethic
As I said I just tend to try and eat mindfully and if one is interested look into Mindful Eating or Oryoki
Mindful Eating: A Guide to Rediscovering a Healthy and Joyful Relationship with Food
Oh and I don’t know…based on the language and current subject in this thread and the irony of the title which is Food ethics… maybe we all need to read this
[B]Ethics [/B]
Now with that said I do believe as far as post lock goes… I vote yes
Why do you all blow the wind in Core’s sails and have a go at him/ I just don’t get it do you? Mind you. he does sound like a weedy cunt and a leach. I’d go and smash his head in.3 seconds would do it.
[QUOTE=Sage;55843]Hey , i have just joined this site, really cool, and am a body-builder myself with an absolutely stunning physique i can attest that the girls literally go weak at the knees. I eat the protein shakes like milkshakes and they all say i look hot.
Can someone do this shit but still do yoga?
please guide…i am a complete newb…
i am hoping you all give me good advice.
thanks[/QUOTE]
I would go as far as to say you SHOULD do yoga. As yourself being a bodybuilder, I’m sure you can relate to the issues of having tight muscles and limited abilities in joint mobility, flexibility and range of motion etc. Yoga can play a vital role in getting back your your abilities to ‘do normal stuff’… like touch your toes, sit on the floor, and straighten your arms over head… imagine that!! On top of that, depending on your genetics (and whether or not you experiment with roids) bodybuilders can sometimes get very bulky, which I think can actually look as bad as being out of shape. I know that at my work, a few times ‘good’ bodybuilders have come in to the store and made the girls whom I work with feel sick. I don’t know about you, but one of my goals is certainly not to make girls feel sick to look at me. The good thing about yoga, stretching, and mobility training, is that your muscle will become functional, and look functional. You body won’t get as bulky and will look more athletic, which is what makes the girls ‘weak at the knees’ as you put it. So, in summary, yoga for bodybuilders, will a) make you body perform better, and feel better, and b) keep your body looking awesome and help prevent you developing a bulky, meat head physique.
That’s my opinion anyway. I hope some of this makes sense.
no meat unless its from a local farm and even then its been about 6 months
wild caught fish only
lots of legumes, i love chic peas but do often but them canned
no milk, only free range eggs (ugh expensive so not that often)
organic- YES! i love artichokes and asparagus, so good
For a protein boost I make a sloppy Joe like recipe that includes a soy based meat replacement, chic peas and water chestnuts. I love it.
I shop at some major chains because I can not afford to shop where I would like to all the time but I do try to shop local as often as possible.
I do eat protein bars and drink Whey protein shakes because of the amount of weight training I do and the fact that I dont eat red meant or Chicken. I hate the idea of eating animals that were treated like they were just a product and not a living thing.
Im not overly crazy about ethical treatment of animals and in no way abstain from animal products but I feel a personal need to be aware and do my best to avoid consuming factory farmed anything. i would never judge or expect anyone else to feel the way i do. No one in my family cares much but they respect the fact that I do.
farmers markets YES! I used to live in Seattle and have been hooked ever since my first Pike Street experience, man do I miss the fresh fish there!
Oats every morning (mixed with a half scoop of Whey)
Potatoes have to be organic, I urge everyone to research the way potoatos are grown and harvested. Do you know they use chemicals to disolve the underground viney root systems before they are harvested? Many potato farmers grow a small patch for themselves that is not treated with these chemical herbicides.
[QUOTE=YogiAdam;55831]Yeah but that’s what I’m saying. We have evolved to eat meat. For example our brains developed rapidly from protein, we have K9 teeth, we need vitamin B12 which is almost impossible to get from non-animal products.
So because we have evolved to eat meat, some of us struggle if we remove it form our diet. It’s like anything. If we all removed essential fatty acids from our diet, it would have an effect on our bodies, some of us more than others.[/QUOTE]
I don’t buy the ‘evolved to eat meat’ idea. I don’t think a human could go out into the wild and take down a deer for dinner, and then proceed to eat it raw, like animals that are actually carnivorous do.
Meat is not the only means of getting protein. In fact, I’ve read several times that your average North American gets double the amount of protein they actually need. And you don’t need to rely on soy or fake meat products!
[QUOTE=Swaybe;56957]I don’t buy the ‘evolved to eat meat’ idea. I don’t think a human could go out into the wild and take down a deer for dinner, and then proceed to eat it raw, like animals that are actually carnivorous do.
Meat is not the only means of getting protein. In fact, I’ve read several times that your average North American gets double the amount of protein they actually need. And you don’t need to rely on soy or fake meat products![/QUOTE]
No, we ‘have evolved to eat meat’ is a scientifically established fact. If not buying it, I suggest you read, for example, Peter H. Kahn’s new book “Technological Nature.” No American bias, no superego bullshit. He draws on the adaptation of hunter-gatherer African Bushmen, quite objectively. And exemplifies how these people eat meat on certain times of the year, not all the time, due to their understanding of natural-animal systems.
Meat is not the only way, but it is the best way to get high quality protein and enzimes. Yet, like in anything else, overdoing something will have drawbacks. In this case, overeating meat (especially red meat), has dire health consequences. Nonetheless, we need meat.
We could go out into the wild, stalk an animal for days, and then righteously hunt it, if we have the skills. I am against meat-houses, where you don’t even give a chance chance to animal to defend itself, but butcher it in machines. This is the food ethic I support: life is valuable, so if your body needs meat, you gotta show that you have got the skills to claim your meat. Hunter-gatherer way!
Even lots of people who claim to be vegetarian crave for a tiny bit of meat (chicken if not beef; fish if not chicken; prawns if not fish), although their psychological self-restraint mechanism could be quite rooted.
It seems to be a highly debatable ‘scientifically established fact’.
I don’t think you can use evolution as justification for moral behaviour. I also don’t think that humans have the right to think that their lives are worth more value than all other life on this plant. And you don’t need meat to be healthy, as a vegan diet has been shown to be just as (if not more) healthy than an omnivorous one.
But obviously you’re going to think what you want to think, and I’m pretty strongly rooted in my own values, so to each their own!