Good ol cup of tea Nobody…with milk, cream or lemon i wonder??
[QUOTE=Suhas Tambe;43499]yes, when the other is not eager to learn and you don’t care. (It takes two to tango!)[/QUOTE]
hmmm needs some thought …this happens to me in teaching my subject, on occasion…its more complex than meets the eye, i will have to think about it…(you already have and see it as a pitfall)…what is the alternative? to cry, pursue them on it? worry endlessly…isnt it their fault?..what can you do.?
Hi Nobody,
You sound just like me, incl. with your list.
And ‘Hedonistically spiritual’ sounds about right.Even with spirituality there’s a take it or leave it attitude but if you take it you must have it all. Liike an all or nothing.
They do talk about the middle way,& balance etc. But i’m not into heavy metal music- that would be something i might as well be able to least tolerate.Ambient music iwould be much more into.I once tried very quiet and delicate nature sounds during hatha practice, the rustle of leaves and birds at about 6am for the first hour just to create some white noise to warm up into & relax/chill out into during practice.But i tend to feel it’s only function was to warm up, provide the white noise rather than allow one to venture deeper within during practice…
[QUOTE=Suhas Tambe;43499]yes, when the other is not eager to learn and you don’t care. (It takes two to tango!)[/QUOTE]
I think i have got it!
eagerness to teach…
yes i think i’ve come to this rough conclusion myself on yoga forums period when doling out what i consider might be helpful adivce…hey who am i to advice anyone? or if a person does’nt seem quite hungry or thirsty enough, they’re looking along a different scope, i’'ll try & make that assessment one of the primary one’s i make- where’s their bhakti/sincerity? how desperate or thirsty are they [I]really[/I]???( to drink from the well…lol)?then rather than stand on my soapbox all day cos i of course i could do that and dole out what i think could be helpful words/advice to them and then not get involved in endless speculation as to how to proceed if enough doubt over a willingenss to do what is required of them is in sufficient question.
Bhakti is like an absence of Mind-based evaluating or over-reasoning. it is a giving of oneself into the maelstrom of life, any possible chaos or sense of order that might unfold…as everything in constant state of flux…i am differrent the next minute and so on…
Yes do this, do that but don’t expect reward…just do it.
As Kareng says take action period( good or appropriate) but karma & bhakti are like friendly siblings, amorous cousins perhaps…
i am stopping fighting with this one.sometimes you have exhausted all you can give and then it’s time to move on, move on with your own unfoldment rather than stagnate of course. foster self-growth and then give it all out in radiant Love.No where else for it to gropw but be wise with it.Spend it carefully circumpsectly…don’t waste it on mind endless analyses or temptations and distractions to a sense of dharma…what one should be doing to make things (the world)better if that is even possible or desirable…
I think it very easy to falll prey to delusions(spiritual ?, especially if you don’t do the work yourself) of your own making,gradual …they creep up on you like little demons out to get you… so keeping a check( on internal things) ,just remaining passive witness in it all…don’t judge, just observe.
How eager or thirsty am I??? i know what needs to be done. It is just knowledge at this stage, and glimpses or short overnight-ish stays weekend aways,…it is very far from complete integration indeed or pemanent experience.
Identifying with the story of individuality
Believing that any of this is real…
Good/Bad… Right/Wrong
Pitfalls/No pitfalls
Makes for interesting drama in Maya, in the dualistic mind…
In one’s imagination there are many areas of improvement. However in reality…
Core,
Point well taken. But, I am worried more about ‘force-feeding’. I have been a teacher of Knowledge Management and developed a course on “learning to learn”. That makes me aware of the learner’s readiness to learn in a very positive way.
So, my pitfall is the “urge” to teach, beyond the ‘help’ consideration.
Basically perhpas what you are saying you are having to constantly examin your own motives, your own dharma or over-all mission for giving in order for the reception end to profit. The tango relationship you mention.
It’s like altruism…the desire to help for it’s own sake but when can some altruism be not difrected the best or ideal.
I think you’re saying…or might be that teaching is kind of in our blood vocationally-speakiing…it comes and arises naturally …like breast-feeding infants…sorry that is the analogy that came to mind here.
Right i see what you’re saying basically folk have to come to others- they have to want o feed and for that be hungry and know how to eat or drink well and in a nourshing way.
It is not a teaching on an academic level…like this is the science of yoga… but assuming this role you are suub-consciously like hi-jacking yourself and trying to be overly nurturing.I don’t know.
People have to want to feed so that is why forcing someone to read the HYP or sutras or try out “yoga” is often at best musguided if they have’nt shown enough direction and/or inclination.
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So the force fee-ding can actually be detrimental to the teaching, what is on the menu that day…yes a teacher that is giving constantly could be cultivating also. the perceived feeding/giving has tthen i’m thinking have to be cultivating also. and you have to be resourceful…you canotfeed the five-thousand in a oner i mean.
You must eat this?
—And then they spit it out, as it’s kinda unpleasant right now.
Maybe you need un-prograammed i don’t know if you’ve got that teaching, the urge or you’re anatural teacher in your blood.
It might beg the question what any difference might be bwteeen a spiritual teacher and well just a teacher.Is there a difference?
Everyone here is hungry and or for a reaosn…they know there’s something more to life or they see the spiritual and attracted to it like moths…the light is good but want to know how to get there most of us unless they are somehow a natural intuitive as some might be although i think that’d be rare.
I have my faith in science like you rather than superstiion.If we act from good place we know what to do.If it can looks like a dog’s breakfast perhaps at times depnding on how we view it,choose to view it, it does not matter.God does not judge.Whatever happens will hapeen or not happen. The whind knows where to blow. All the divine/God /ishta/ishvara etc is interested in is your own unfoldment and so you can expand on that on a collective level. Raise collective consciousness.That is what Aurobindo mentioned ,talked about.The mission of evolutuon of personal consciousness is the collective so basiclly don’t get too concerned about yourself in the grand scheme of things i guess.It will play itself out if we allow out.
I think the philosphical line as abideisthat stated such that none of this (really) matters it is all maya can be helpful. It’s your perception that matters, that’s what counts. And one’s perception can be clouded on … so many levels.
Too much intereference as Kareng has suggested here…I think she used the phrase Mind-interference, Mind training also… but phenomena of consciousness can manifest on number of subtle levels internally i’ve come to notice…emtionallly,mentally,life-areas wisee etc.Sometime we may group things convenitently into tidy-ish little boxes i’m thinking just now of the stuff in our head and therfore by extension in our lives.
We group these things into convenient little boxes often as it suits.Right now i wish or am going to satisfy that urge to teach, OR right now i am relaxing & practicing meditation,siting on the toilet etcetera…
I don’t know…You get me?
I think i get you. My advice is don’t evaluate-evaulation/Mind-based stuff & operating causes suffering and also does not often lead to right, good or best of action in any circumstances.
Hi Suhas Tambe,
Another after-thought.
All this works very easily often and beautifully with daily sadhana and careful management.We do good without thinking about it,without the mind-based evaluations-such as this is right or wrong.That is inner guru talking. It knows what to do.It does without thinking.Discirmination plays a role when you know when you are might be falling into traps.I say you ned to be strict with yourself, i guess and show viveka., non-attachement or aversion to things & matters.
Daily committed sadhana takes care of it all…No worries or none of these traps and pitfalls.
Core,
Thanks, really appreciate your honest words.
Nobody you can do it in this life.And yes you are right about tantra saying that.And By the way thats the perfect path in the Kali yuga.I Think you are like me a litle bit (someone that want to integrate )more than scape from reality.Well thats some hard task but you can do it.as long as you know where you go.
To be more specific we dont do the things we are suppose to nobody because we think we have the whole eternity to do them.well we have nothing just a fraction of time look at death right behind you trying to eat your butt there is no time do it now or die.
My by far “worse” pitfall: joint + porn + jerk. Thankfully it never happens more frequently than once a month.
Sometimes objects rebel against me and i bestow them life through my anger for some few seconds.
Red wine - every Friday and Sometime sat night. 2 - 3 glasses.
Caring what others think of me.
Panoramix get a girlfriend.Girls out there do that to ;like you.Find one and get real.
I’d like but i can’t: six daily hours of sadhana + job + karma yoga + my dad’s illness = no girlfriend. Furthermore, spaniard girls aren’t too inclined to spiritual issues you know…
Mine is watching soccer games.
It makes no significant harm, but captures some mental energy.
2 month off-season is coming, time to concentrate on more important things.
Panoramix, all the better, become a brahmachari.
Seriously.
[QUOTE=Suhas Tambe;43499]yes, when the other is not eager to learn and you don’t care. (It takes two to tango!)[/QUOTE]
This is mine too… now learning to be silent and not involved until asked…
Impatient, easily annoyed, sometimes a recluse introvert. Experiences extreme frustration with people who are okay with the status quo and then humbled when reminded that I too am human.