According to his own writings, Babaji selected him to go to the West and show the unity
of Christianity and Hinduism.
He loved his mother country but did not suffer of nationalsim.
He did not confess to anybody on this forum ulterior motives.
His confessed and only motive was his love of God.[/QUOTE]
He didn’t have ulterior motives, he was just a confused person.
[QUOTE=Sarvamaṅgalamaṅgalā;61532]There are things that cannot be known through science or philosophy and are dealt with in the vedas. Faith is necessary for any religious practicioner including a yogi. A desire to validate everything through (pseudo-)science can be a sign of lack of confidence in the metaphysics of your religion. If you really relied on scientific evidence alone, you would have to be agnostic about many teachings of religion, no matter what religion you follow. That doesn’t mean to reject science, but to admit that science and philosophy have its limitations.[/QUOTE]
I think when you say science you mean something very different than what I understand by science. I understand science from the dharma categorical framework - vidya. Indeed in dharma even god is a subject of science: brahma vidya.
I have conviction in brahma vidya because I understand the metaphysics. I have no faith, because I know brahman is real. Similarly, I have no faith in atman, karma, reincarnation or yoga - because I know it is real.
Faith for me is disease of the mind because it is the opposite of knowledge. Knowledge can be realised, but faith can or cannot be realised. Faith cannot be tested and this is why it is dangerous, because anybody can say anything they want, such as “Jews are subhuman” or “God hates the pagans”
[QUOTE=Sarvamaṅgalamaṅgalā;61487]Your preconceived notions are that you want to expand your conciousness and uncover the truth. These are also preconceived notions. You have at least some level of faith that yoga will accomplish any of this. You are also assigning some sort of value to it, otherwise you would not spend your time with this discipline.[/QUOTE]
I somewhat agree since there must be an inner desire fueling effort to explore this approach however yogic sciences ask me to inquire, experience and evaluate honestly any progress, benefits or conclusions, similar to a scientific approach. Eventually even these notions must be let go since words, images and thoughts fall short of direct experience. A lifetime much too short to stumble upon this; thankfully this spirituality emerged out of historic India otherwise more suffering would exist.
Yes, eventually you will directly experience it (if you follow the path). But for now it’s just wishful thinking to say you can cross the river without any raft.
Yoga is a well proven, 7000+ year old vehicle to help one on the path of life whether it a river, ocean, mountain, valley or a meadow of illusions.
[QUOTE=ray_killeen;61549]Yoga is a well proven, 7000+ year old vehicle to help one on the path of life whether it a river, ocean, mountain, valley or a meadow of illusions.[/QUOTE]
Just be careful when you say well proven, this is not so in the secular scientific sense of the word. I am a Hindu, so I don’t really care, but there are people who have resistence towards any religious practice if there’s no (pseudo-)scientific justification for it.
[QUOTE=David;61264]Is there really such a difference between the Holy Trinity and the Trimurti? Or is the only real difference the story and interpretation has changed a little over time thanks to the human condition.[/QUOTE]
Dear Friend:
The Holiest trinity would be the confluence of three [B][I]“gunas”[/I][/B] viz. [I][B]raja, sattwa[/B][/I] and [I][B]tama.[/B][/I] They pervade all creation. They transcend all religions.
[I][B]Aum Tat Sat !![/B][/I]
anand
[QUOTE=Anand Kulkarni;61560]Dear Friend:
The Holiest trinity would be the confluence of three [B][I]“gunas”[/I][/B] viz. [I][B]raja, sattwa[/B][/I] and [I][B]tama.[/B][/I] They pervade all creation. They transcend all religions.
[I][B]Aum Tat Sat !![/B][/I]
anand[/QUOTE]
From a [U]Hindu[/U] standpoint, you might be right. 
[QUOTE=Sarvamaṅgalamaṅgalā;61561]From a [U]Hindu[/U] standpoint, you might be right. ;)[/QUOTE]
Dear Friend:
What is “Hindu” about “creating” “sustaining” and “dissolving”? These processes are for anyone to observe and conclude.
regards, anand
[QUOTE=Anand Kulkarni;61562]Dear Friend:
What is “Hindu” about “creating” “sustaining” and “dissolving”? These processes are for anyone to observe and conclude.
regards, anand[/QUOTE]
Now you are generalising a lot, but the meaning of the pranava and of the gunas are detailed with all its nuances in the Hindu scriptures. When you are taking about the gunas, like in your last post, you should know that you are talking about Hindu philosophy (sankhya in particular). It is really simple. You are talking about the worldview of the Hindus which may or may not be accepted outside of this religion. When we are talking about the laws of relativity and its properties and use, nobody denies that we are talking about science, in particular physics.
[QUOTE=Sarvamaṅgalamaṅgalā;61563]Now you are generalising a lot, but the meaning of the pranava and of the gunas are detailed with all its nuances in the Hindu scriptures. When you are taking about the gunas, like in your last post, you should know that you are talking about Hindu philosophy (sankhya in particular). It is really simple. You are talking about the worldview of the Hindus which may or may not be accepted outside of this religion. When we are talking about the laws of relativity and its properties and use, nobody denies that we are talking about science, in particular physics, is it not so?[/QUOTE]
Dear Friend:
Yes, I am generalising and being all-encompassing.
The World as ONE FAMILY is a splendid truth indeed. Let all move up and experience it.
regards, anand
Yes, I am generalising and being all-encompassing.
But you shouldn’t be confused. There are other worldviews that don’t accept or deal with these Hindu ideas.
[QUOTE=Sarvamaṅgalamaṅgalā;61568]Oh dear Narayana, don’t get me started on the saying vasudaiva kutumbakam.[/QUOTE]
You got it sir!! That’s why no one should be excluded.
[QUOTE=Anand Kulkarni;61569]You got it sir!! We have to take everyone along.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Sarvamaṅgalamaṅgalā;61568]But you shouldn’t be confused. There are other worldviews that don’t accept or deal with these Hindu ideas.[/QUOTE]
Dear Friend:
No confusion here. We are talking about step-by-step experiences that will reveal the multi-tiered truths to all.
regards, anand
[QUOTE=Sarvamaṅgalamaṅgalā;61534]He didn’t have ulterior motives, he was just a confused person.[/QUOTE]
Whom can one believe if somebody, which might not even be an university student in physics, briefly dismisses Einstein as being confused ?
[QUOTE=Erikk;61061]Namaste to everybody and kind regards to this forum,
does anybody know what this sign mean, I saw it at at a yoga retreat.
Thank you so much, Erikk[/QUOTE]
Dear Friends:
What happened to this original question?
I am told [I][B]Aum[/B][/I] is a support-less sound that a yogi hears when his [I][B]prana[/B][/I] moves up the [I][B]“sushumna nadi”[/B][/I] and resides in, or assumes the form of[I][B] “akasha tattva”.[/B][/I]
regards, anand
The AUM is a Social Meditation that combines movement, role playing and vocal expression.
AUM stands for awareness, understanding and meditation. It is one of the basic and most powerful techniques used at the Humaniversity.
By participating in the AUM you can experience a deep sense of aliveness, warmth, relaxation and acquire a taste for life again!
Philosophically speaking since it represents everything. I feel it can’t have any meaning.
Meaning operates always from the mind perspective and tries to chategorize or define things and experiences. So the “Om Sign” points to something which when realizing it can’t have any meaning it all.
I’ve read a great deal of this thread, and my mind is swimming with thoughts and arguments.
I see in this thread what I see in myself and so many of my peers; a strong desire to classify our world into tidy absolute definitions that give us some semblance of order. I am so utterly weary of hearing the indoctrinated and the religious apologists try to justify their beliefs by bringing down other peoples beliefs (especially pluralist beliefs, Lord forbid if an individual tries to construct a global reality based on multiple belief systems (…belief systems which at their core address precisely the same moral and ethical dilemma’s which mankind has faced for ages.).).
I am no scholar of Hinduism, but from what I understood from the Wikipedia article, Aum is the vibration connected with the creation of the universe. Regardless of how you interpret it, the universe happened, and you are here now.