What does yogis and prositutes have in common?

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#21

[QUOTE=kareng;73714]I have been thinking about the disrespectful title of this thread and setting aside the joking side which in terms of humour can be seen as funny. I am not sure one can generalise that gurus are all about the money. If you think about what the intentions of serious Gurus are…they are setting out to help people gain spiritual awareness. Teaching them things they may not otherwise know.

I know 4 people in England who follow Guru Maharaji They go whenever they can to meetings abroad. He has visited Britain too. One friend visits India whenever she can get there. All of these people are happy individuals and appear content with whatever it is he is offering them. They lead successful lives, no major heartbreaks or troubles in their lives.
They meditate and I know that whatever they may donate is minimal as they are not very wealthy people.

The Guru must need money in order to travel to the destinations around the world that he goes to. It must take some organising which must involve costs and people to help him. The halls must cost something to hire as weather in some of these destinations may not be ideal for say an outside free gathering.

I have never had the impression that these people are dissatisfied with this Guru or feel they are being ripped off.[/QUOTE]

Kareng noone said a guru does not need money in the world today everything costs money. You are here mixing things up let me tell you.

It is ok for a teacher to charge this is his work correct, but the point is here when they are trying to steal all your money. a parallell here a prostitute works in a bar she takes money for having sex this is ok its her job even though i dont agree with the act ,it is sex for money and its understandable that she takes money for her work.

But if she says she loves you and you believe her and go for it and you build a house and then she ignore you is that ok? this is how these fake yogis behave. So now you hopefully dont misunderstand the meaning of this thread. about taking money and stealing it. Santosha- contentment is gone and non stealing -asteya is gone from their practice. These people however go straight to narok.
So if they are not satiesfied and stealing they are fake. IF they are satiesfied and only keep the weel spinning and help people instead of stealing then the are real. ITs not wrong if a guru gets a lots of donation as long as he help others then with the overflow. ITS NOT HOW MUCH MONEY YOU MAKE ITS ABOUT WHAT YOU DO WITH THEM.

A common thing from big ashrams is to go around the world and collect money then they travel all around europe and america. Then they wil make sure it goes on first pages and the news that they gave money (millions) to the victims and reconstruction. Lets say they spend a million, but maybe 9 million is still there for them to use.

The thing is if a guru or yogi is real he must help 100% every day and so if such being existed it would be well known as things like this spread faster than fire. All kind of people would go to him to get help and then we talk local. So if someones guru only has foreginers around him it says alot. *If someone is geunine all local people would come and try to get help from him and he could not ignore them.

ITS NOT ABOUT HOW MUCH MONEY YOU MAKE ITS HOW YOU USE THEM THAT MATTERS.

#22

Surya Deva is right on the money! I would like someone to show me a genuine guru one who is not interested in money, power or fame. Seems like the guru business is a way to fast cash. They’re just a bunch of salesmen/women selling a product which is enlightenment or self-realization.

#23

[QUOTE=Juniper;73781]Surya Deva is right on the money! I would like someone to show me a genuine guru one who is not interested in money, power or fame. Seems like the guru business is a way to fast cash. They’re just a bunch of salesmen/women selling a product which is enlightenment or self-realization.[/QUOTE]

but enlightenment cant be bought.

Lets just make an easy saying. everyone has the right to be happy. IF someone takes away other peoples happiness he is an asura if he gives happiness to all living creatures he is in deed a DEVA.

I wonder have many devas there are.

#24

doublepost by accident.

#25

My comments are to draw out more information from you all. I am trying to understand the magnitude of the deceit and it seems from the comments so far that it is huge. How disappointing it must feel to be ripped off by someone in such a trusted position, or to know they are making a fortune from it and not doing good with the money…they obviously don’t believe what they are actually teaching, what kind of re-birth would follow for such behavior I wonder???

It is very sad as it must make many feel cheated.

There is a huge light at the end of the tunnel . You don’t need a Guru. You truly do not need an outside Guru there is one inside you.

#26

[QUOTE=kareng;73805]My comments are to draw out more information from you all. I am trying to understand the magnitude of the deceit and it seems from the comments so far that it is huge. How disappointing it must feel to be ripped off by someone in such a trusted position, or to know they are making a fortune from it and not doing good with the money…they obviously don’t believe what they are actually teaching, what kind of re-birth would follow for such behavior I wonder???

It is very sad as it must make many feel cheated.

There is a huge light at the end of the tunnel . You don’t need a Guru. You truly do not need an outside Guru there is one inside you.[/QUOTE]

Well for me i have moved on and i dont broad on it, i took it as a lession and now i do everything my self. Still i got benefit and experience from it which i wouldnt have got otherwise. Im just telling people some facts so they can avoid such people. Becasue for westerners it is a new area which is easy to be fooled in.

Also we cant forget it is the age of kali and if you look around the last 3 years, at least i have noticed a higher greediness from all people all is about money now. and also worse quality from companies as they want to make more money. I think we will see very much dark for 3 years ahead and then we will see some light. Also maybe more nature disasters that already has been so far.

#27

I have also moved on from the experience of being misled and swindled by a fake The experience was a learning tool for me. Reminds me of a saying I once heard—“Once burnt, twice learnt.” I realize an outer guru is not necessary. Now I tune in to the inner guru inside.

#28

[QUOTE=fakeyogis;73810]Well for me i have moved on and i dont broad on it, i took it as a lession and now i do everything my self. Still i got benefit and experience from it which i wouldnt have got otherwise. Im just telling people some facts so they can avoid such people. Becasue for westerners it is a new area which is easy to be fooled in.

Also we cant forget it is the age of kali and if you look around the last 3 years, at least i have noticed a higher greediness from all people all is about money now. and also worse quality from companies as they want to make more money. I think we will see very much dark for 3 years ahead and then we will see some light. Also maybe more nature disasters that already has been so far.[/QUOTE]

thank you fakeyogis x…can you tell me about the age of kali, what is this about exactly?? Perhaps on a new thread x

#29

[QUOTE=Juniper;73812]I have also moved on from the experience of being misled and swindled by a fake The experience was a learning tool for me. Reminds me of a saying I once heard—“Once burnt, twice learnt.” I realize an outer guru is not necessary. Now I tune in to the inner guru inside.[/QUOTE]

glad you tune into the inner guru Juniper x

#30

Thank you Kareng!

Kind Regards To you.
Juniper

#31

Perhaps genuinely enlightened beings aren’t looking for followers so it’s impossible to find them anyway.
My Yoga teacher is in his 50’s. He travelled to India in his teens, studied with Iyengar, followed Baghwan Sri Rajneesh for many years and lived in his ashrams. He has taught Hatha Yoga for more than 30 years, runs a small studio with his wife. They teach Yoga for pregnant women, home birthing classes, children’s Yoga, Yoga for anyone. People have been coming to them for 25 years and still come. If you have no money you can take classes for free till you have money. They are always poor. Their studio is like a family. They have Kirtan and meditation by donation.
I don’t think he’s enlightened and he doesn’t claim to be but he is a good man with good intentions toward every soul and he lives the best way he can. Maybe this is the best you can do, spend your life the best way you can find? Always try to grow, learn and be compassionate. Serve love and give.
He’s not my Guru but I love him as a good soul and he inspires me to do better with my life.

#32

[QUOTE=kareng;73817]thank you fakeyogis x…can you tell me about the age of kali, what is this about exactly?? Perhaps on a new thread x[/QUOTE]

Hello
Best info i think if you search for it on google. Kali age is the dark ages. there are also satya dvarupa and treta yugas.

It is time ages and in satya there is 100% truth and in kali it is said to be 25% only. And when people dont care about righteousness which can be seen now when parents dont care if their daughter do unrighteous things they just see that there is money and close their eyes. They see but dont want to see. THis is most common in poor countries though. I dont think that in an industrial country the parents would be happy nor would they close their eyes if they knew.

Ive read that there have been interpreted in bhagavad gita that when krishna left 3100 something b.c Kali yuga started and that after 5000 years of his departure a satya yuga will come in the kali yuga to stay for 10thousand years. So if its true soon we will see this happen and also it is written that krishna says when people live most unrighteous he send someone to correct the order on earth.

you can get read about all this if you just google some sites. And much more. ITs always better to read from many sources.

#33

Anyone see Martha Marcy May Marlene? Aachan James’ revolving door cult isn’t as disturbing, but there are elements of a scam factory in his enterprise that feed on open minded yoga students . He smokes like a chimney, preaches non friendly interaction in class while always trying to procure his next household slave. He and his wife give a negative vibe, take advantage both financially and sexually of their students. Class is all talk. He obviously lost his way. Be wise, pick another Guru!

#34

I have a theory that all the acient sages and gurus have been reincarnated, living in america, teaching yoga, trying really hard not to subscribe to the belief that they are gurus. :slight_smile:

#35

Before enlightenment man carried water up and down the mountain. After enlightenment man still carried water.

“yogi” is a title. Claiming that title does not mean you are one.
If i say i am a king. I claim a title, yet it is not true.

You are comparing charlatans with prostitutes. Not yogis.
You want to meet a yogi, not a charlatan.
To meet someone genuine is a hard thing.
Few people dedicate their entire lives to one thing.
you are looking for one who does.
Not only that, but one who dedicated his life to yoga. etc.

#36

Has anyone read “Living with the Himalayan Masters” ? It is on my list of books to read and I believe that it details encounters with gurus and babas.

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