What is nothingness

Hi
I thank you everybody for your comment (Asuri, AmirMourad, The Scales, Flexpengium,Bjoy,Suhas Tembe, Seeker33). See below what I put together.
Take care
Ivana

Can you describe nothingness?
Nothingness is simply the absence of being, of existence or anything. It is the highest state in meditation regarding Theravada tradition it is a stage of jhana. It is difficult to describe nothingness but I wrote a little poem about it, please see below.


Replies were done without questions.
Even without any little suggestions.
My “I” was disappeared, peace is spread.

No law of gravitational attraction of body,
No needs, no desires, no pain of anybody.
Soul is covered by warm duvet of effortless.

Ivana,

“Nothingness is simply the absence of being, of existence or anything.”

That is your own hallucination. Nothingness is not an absence of being, because even to call it an absence of being is to impose a limiting quality upon it. That which is an absence of being is what is called non-being. And “nothingness” is just a substitute word to refer to that which does not belong to any of our mental categories. Neither of existence or non-existence, being or non-being, light or darkness, large nor small, form or formlessness, emptiness or fullness, raise even a single thought about it and you immediately become entangled in delusion. To try and force it into your relative thoughts and ideas is just like trying to walk from the Earth to the moon, or trying to swallow the whole ocean in a single gulp.

If you really want to see into this - then drop all of your clinging to knowledge, and awaken to the inexpressible. If you still insist that you can express the inexpressible, then yet again the ox continues chasing it’s own tail for millenia.

[QUOTE=AmirMourad;59037]Ivana,

“Nothingness is simply the absence of being, of existence or anything.”

That is your own hallucination. [/QUOTE]

HI AmirMourad
I think that I do not have any own hallucination. But anyway I thank you for your opinion.
Take care
Ivana

“I think that I do not have any own hallucination.”

That you are unable to recognize your delusions in itself shows the depth of your own delusion. Otherwise it would have been impossible to say such a thing.

“But anyway I thank you for your opinion.”

It is not my opinion any more than it is my opinion that the body is going to decay and wither away. One is speaking about something of which one has no direct experience, so whatever one says about “nothingness”, as by nature it cannot be contained through knowledge, is bound to be nothing more than a figment of one’s imagination.

[QUOTE=AmirMourad;59045]“I think that I do not have any own hallucination.”

That you are unable to recognize your delusions in itself shows the depth of your own delusion. Otherwise it would have been impossible to say such a thing.

“But anyway I thank you for your opinion.”

It is not my opinion any more than it is my opinion that the body is going to decay and wither away. One is speaking about something of which one has no direct experience, so whatever one says about “nothingness”, as by nature it cannot be contained through knowledge, is bound to be nothing more than a figment of one’s imagination.[/QUOTE]

Dear Amir
I thank you for your explanation.
Ivana

You really are a jerk. Where do you get off talking to people like that? It pisses me off and you’re not even talking to me. You just can’t stand that Ivana didn’t swallow your version of the way things are, and so you respond with another nasty remark. I notice you didn’t tell me it was a hallucination. Why do you pick on Ivana to vent your frustration? I’ll tell you why, because you’re no good through and through. And I don’t care if I get banned. I so sick of the stench you leave behind, it will be like a breath of fresh air.

And your lucky that you and I were not in the same room when you made that remark. You can rest assured I’ll be praying to God that you get the ass whipping that you need.

Asuri,

“You really are a jerk. Where do you get off talking to people like that?”

If you do not like what I have said, that is your problem. But I have simply stated a fact. She has said that she has no delusions, and anybody who believes such a thing is certainly delusional.

“It pisses me off and you’re not even talking to me.”

Then become mindful.

“You just can’t stand that Ivana didn’t swallow your version of the way things are, and so you respond with another nasty remark.”

It is not a nasty remark, it is simply straightforward. Don’t speak about something of which you have no direct experience. And it is not a question of “my version” or another person’s “version”, the Truth is the truth, and existence has no obligation at all to fit into man’s view as to how things should be. Nothingness is something that is to be realized, not talked about.

“I notice you didn’t tell me it was a hallucination. Why do you pick on Ivana to vent your frustration?”

I have responded to Ivana because she has asked the question. It is not out of frustration, it is just that it is often the case that a sword is needed to cut through entanglements.

“I so sick of the stench you leave behind, it will be like a breath of fresh air.”

Then I will keep exposing the stench until you learn to become grounded. If you cannot even handle somebody saying something which you do not like, then your encountering life with all of it’s uncertainty is going to be a great disaster.

This is a symptom of your illness. You think that your self-appointed “enlightened” status gives you license to talk to people in a derisive and offensive way. There’s no excuse or explanation for it.

[QUOTE=Ivana;59007]Hi
I thank you everybody for your comment (Asuri, AmirMourad, The Scales, Flexpengium,Bjoy,Suhas Tembe, Seeker33). See below what I put together.
Take care
Ivana

Can you describe nothingness?
Nothingness is simply the absence of being, of existence or anything. It is the highest state in meditation regarding Theravada tradition it is a stage of jhana. It is difficult to describe nothingness but I wrote a little poem about it, please see below.


Replies were done without questions.
Even without any little suggestions.
My ?I? was disappeared, peace is spread.

No law of gravitational attraction of body,
No needs, no desires, no pain of anybody.
Soul is covered by warm duvet of effortless.[/QUOTE]

I think you did a nice job, Ivana. I especially like the poem.

Asuri,

"You think that your self-appointed “enlightened” status gives you license to talk to people in a derisive and offensive way. There’s no excuse or explanation for it. "

Nothing can be offensive without your own permission. Destroy your permission.

Amir is basically setting himself up for a big kick in the butt by karma. It’s pretty funny and tragic at the same time. Anyway he’s destroyed any chance of getting disciples on this forum by pretty much alienating everybody here, even his previous defenders.

Anyway to answer the question. What is “Nothingness” There is no such thing, there is always something. It is impossible to there to be a nothingness, because even nothingness is a something. There is just “IS-NESS” Do not ask yourself silly questions like “What is nothingness” it is as meaningless and pointless as asking, “What is a square circle”

You exist and there is a reality. This reality has laws. Find out what those laws are and live in harmony with those laws and you will live a prosperous and rewarding life. Remain unconscious of laws and keep breaking them, then you will suffer.

[QUOTE=Surya Deva;59206] Do not ask yourself silly questions like “What is nothingness” it is as meaningless and pointless as asking, “What is a square circle”

[/QUOTE]

Hi Surya
I received the question to my exam for meditation teaching. By the way I think there are not silly questions there are only silly replies.
Take care
Ivana

A silly question is a question that does not address reality.

[QUOTE=Surya Deva;59227]A silly question is a question that does not address reality.[/QUOTE]

Surya
I learned that even a question which does not address reality is a good question. There are Koans as type of meditation which are based on the questions. The question ?What is noise of one hand clamping?? does not have an answer which we can find by our intellect. But looking for a reply makes our mind calm. A teacher gives the question to a student and the student is looking for a reply. The main point is the process to try reply of the question. Student replies to teacher and teacher comments the answers.
Take care
Ivana

Please don’t feed the pet silly trolls. They bite.

Ivana, your question does not need validation. Thank you for bringing it to the forum.

[QUOTE=FlexPenguin;59236]Please don’t feed the pet silly trolls. They bite.

Ivana, your question does not need validation. Thank you for bringing it to the forum.[/QUOTE]

Thanks, I will be careful.
Ivana

[QUOTE=FlexPenguin;59236]Please don’t feed the pet silly trolls. They bite.

Ivana, your question does not need validation. Thank you for bringing it to the forum.[/QUOTE]

If you keep calling me a “a pet troll” in every thread, when all I am doing is responding to the threads question and giving my perspective on it, I am going to have to start reporting you. I think you should start contributing more and not go around in every thread teling people not to feed trolls.

[QUOTE=Ivana;59228]Surya
I learned that even a question which does not address reality is a good question. There are Koans as type of meditation which are based on the questions. The question “What is noise of one hand clamping?” does not have an answer which we can find by our intellect. But looking for a reply makes our mind calm. A teacher gives the question to a student and the student is looking for a reply. The main point is the process to try reply of the question. Student replies to teacher and teacher comments the answers.
Take care
Ivana[/QUOTE]

I think such traditions simply mystify and overcomplicate what really is a very basic matter. I do not personally support Zen. I studied it somewhat at university and when we discussed in class we found it to be pretty pointless. Zen is an irrational tradition - literally it rejects using any kind of rationality. If one approaches a Zen “master” with a question, they do not give a straight answer, but often a riddle, or they may do something completely random and nonsensical like stick their tongue at you, laugh out loud or hit you with a stick!

In my own tradition we answer every question logically in a scientific manner that would helpful to the asker. This is because by clearing up things and removing doubts in the student will then give them a clearer view. And this is what I did when I answered your question. I gave you a straight, logical answer:

It is impossible for there to be a nothing, because nothing is also a something. Nothing can only produce nothing. But we know there is something, so something could only have come from something. If something could come from nothing, then we would live in a crazy world where mules would come out of humans, apples would come from orange seeds things would happen at random without any cause and issue from anything, portraits would paint themselves, buildings would build themselves. This not the case, therefore there is no nothing. There is only something.

Now with that doubt cleared you can move on and be practical. Now that we know there is a something - an isness we - should out out what this isness is, what its its natural laws, so we can utilize those laws for our betterment. This is known as dharma. The law of dharma prescribes what actions produce harmony and what actions produce disharmony. This is known as karma. In brief:

THE LAW OF DHARMA: The natural order of existence
THE LAW OF LAW: Cause and effect

When you make an effort to find out the laws of nature you will be able to end diseases, end suffering and strife. In science today we know a lot of physical and psychological laws and this has helped develop medicine, technology and therapy etc. This would not have happened if we did not make an effort to answer questions.

Your question has been answerd with a proper logical and scientific definition. But despite the matter being settled people will continue to pretend that we are still ignorant on the matter: debate, speculate, discuss, compare - mystify the matter - because don’t people like being given answers on these matters. They prefer to mytisfy it. The same happened in the “What is enlightenment thread” the scientific definition was given in the second post itself, but again people want mystery.

There is no virtue in being confused and being full of doubts. I help people by giving people the most clearest and direct answers to remove doubts and make an effort to address as many doubts as I can. Some people then understand things and I have considered my effort wortwhile. While others still pretend to be ignorant - you can bring a horse to water but you cannot make it drink.

Correction:

THE LAW OF LAW: Cause and effect

The law of KARMA.