What we understand

This thread is titled as it is for the use of everyone willing to share what they understand from experience all are welcome to share openly and honestly I just ask if people feel like relieving themselves and being unfriendly to please not do it here.

So I will start, first off I am not a teacher nor do I consider myself without ego or any of that other stuff. I am just a beginner but I have experienced allot and had allot of changes come rapidly in the span of a year, so this is what I understand and it is not much.

Preamble this is where I am coming from:

#1. I believe in God as God has proven to me beyond a shadow of a doubt that God does indeed exist. Until God did, I had my doubts. I think everyone does or does not believe until it happens.

#2. There is no reason I can conceive of to practice Yoga in My case Kriya other than for Liberation and Being more at one with God.

#3. I practice Kriya because I was drawn to it and have had several unusual events occur where my brain perceived visitations by Lahiri Mahasaya even after 20 years of being just a regular person. Please understand when this happened I had nothing to do with Yoga Kriya or otherwise and considered it all a part of my youth. Please believe me when I write I did receive visitations by Lahiri Mahasaya but I am uniquely unqualified to say they were either real or unreal as I am only able to report what I perceived and there is no other party to say otherwise, I am my only witness.

#3A. The only thing I can offer as proof of these experiences is the rapid achievement of non surgical Kechari as documented on this site as well as other things I have tried to explain basically coming from a starting point of Ground Zero.

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So here is what I understand and it is all in light of Kriya Yoga as I have never practiced another form and have never had a desire to do so.

#1. I understand that by the practice of Talabya Kriya That within a period of three to four months the tissues of the mouth and tongue became able to withstand the demands made by energy moving Kundalini whatever it is called that made the tongue first press hard into the soft pallet and then finally go up and above. I understand that by this connection being made, from an energetic desire that it do so that the rest of the Kriyas changed in the way they operate they became more active and energy flow easier to feel direct and work with. I understand that mind became more silent and ego more transparent.

#2. I understand that by practicing the forward bends of KYI in Kechari that the spine became more limber as well as the hips and all the joints thereby allowing Siddhasana to be practiced. I understand that on the level of Energy manipulation the spine has become a more enlivened organ and able to conduct the current very nicely. This is called magnetizing the spine normal breathing is used with a slight pause top and bottom. I understand this separates Ida and pingala from Sushumna. I understand that the sound of the nadis from and Anahata become clearly heard by this practice.

#3. I understand that by the practice of Maha Mudra the spine is opened even more fully oxygen blood etc… can enter into and the brain and keep it healthy and limber. I understand on the energy body side of things it also allows for a clean channel by further separating Ida and Pingala from sushumna

#4. I understand by the practice of Shambhavi Mudra during all practice that both hemispheres of the brain become evened out in their activity.

#5. I understand that by the practice of Siddhasana that the energy is more easily moved upwards into higher centers.

#6. I understand that by placing mental OM Japa in the centers with normal breathing allowing the energy flows to dictate the breath rather than the other way around along the back of the spine from Muladhara to Medulla is proper before Kechari is had but after it is had one should move on to Kutastha and Sahasrara as the two pieces of Sushumna are made whole by the practice of Kechari in the energy body and the circuit to the highest centers is completed. I understand that OM Japa takes on a power of it’s own and the energy in the centers may be felt.

#7. I understand that by practicing Navi Kriya allowing energy to dictate breathing but otherwise normal that a power in the system is generated felt glowing and humming in Manipura in the back and then in Medulla and Kutastha and often racing between the two in the spine, I understand this energy starts feeding the animal body and breathing becomes un needed for periods of time and many ecstatic states are achieved.

#8.I understand by the practice of Kriya Pranayama proper from Muladhara to Medulla without Kechari is proper. I understand once Kechari is achieved and the two pieces of sushumna are made one that on can go to the Kutastha and sahasrara as feels correct to do so. I understand that the ideal count is 3 seconds in each center as one inhales a 3 second pause then a 3 second exhalation doing the same as on the way up followed by a 3 second pause. I also understand I never follow this rule because I let the energy dictate how the body will or will not breathe and this automatically prevents either over or under oxygenating to occur. I understand that one must get out of ones own way and do and witness mostly, then states of being occur on their own that words can not describe. I understand the still state of breath occurring from the animal body being fed by the absorption in ecstasy of the energy and the ego dissolving and the witness becoming one with just being. I understand that when the breathing becomes still that this is when real Pranayama is practiced and the energy is moved from center to center in the spine and the feeling is incredible and the witness becomes one with bliss and leaves and dissolves and ceases for periods of time to exist.

#9. I understand by the practice of Jyoti or Yoni Mudra That I may see my Chakras and have they are indeed wheels with spokes and move and have different colors. I understand the ring the orb and the 5 pointed white star and have entered into it and from this I am convinced of the existence of being without animal form. Pictures available in my user profile.

#10. I understand by the practice of just sitting in the after-poise of Kriya practice and experiencing this state that breathing stops and so does heart beat but only after the fact and can not communicate where " I " was as there is no witness anymore.

This is what I understand of Yoga and where it leads when practiced in this manner.

Something I want to emphasize is that breathing is secondary, Yes secondary. If one attaches to the breathing beyond learning the technique it is a hinderance and will prevent development.

Furthermore learning to feel energy and dissolve in it is necessary, hearing the sounds is a shallow focus but helpful seeing light in Kutastha again helpful and is right under the sounds as a guiding thing, but the goal only comes from ecstatic absorption and dissolving of the reporting witness EGO in it.

Feeling energy is natural for me always has been but the practice of Kriya leads to this ability it just takes a little time. I understand after taking initiation this ability greatly improved.

I understand EGO as a thing which I can watch now and it is becoming more and more transparent this is a by product of what has been described above.

Here it is a year later and my Mind functions much more smoothly, there are less emotional restrictions, I am more loving, I have greater intuitive faculties, I recognize and move more swiftly to inner promptings of Gods will. I am more generous and less stingy, I am more at peace and in contact with that special something else that is a part of God and more happy as a result. I, I ,I I Blah, Blah Blah. Needless to say there is most certainly the awareness that there is much room for improvement and that achieving Samadhi States does not make one automatically better than anyone else or Instantly transformed nor instantly liberated.

What it does mean is accelerated changes and living it I am my only witness and uniquely unqualified to report if it is real or just imagination as I am my only witness.

The only thing I can report from the outside is that People who know me however have remarked on the changes. People who have prayed to God for help are sent to me and relate the story of how they found my services in the professional world, I never speak but allow others to do so and Think Lord Thy will be done on Earth as it is in Heaven.

I know believing in God is somewhat less than popular on this site with many and all I can really say is I respect your point of view but can never share it, please respect mine or ignore it if it troubles anyone I am not selling anything.

Lastly Kriya Yoga is experiential in nature and suits my temperament the trick is feeling the energy becoming one with it through the practice and then getting out of your own way letting go and that is when an intuitive leap to other realms of being occurs on its own spontaneously. Breathing is only the start and it does not involve over oxygenating or under.

The body gets left behind the senses shut down but this comes from practice and what has been described no breathing method or touching sensitive parts in the skull with your tongue will do this at some point the intuitive happens on it’s own and when it does time and time again it happens more and more frequently and starts the minute you sit.

All of these things I understand from experience.

What do you understand?
Namaste.

Samadhi.
Many methods.
Sit in front of a wall.
Glue your mind to the breath.
Breath “rhythmically and consistantly”.
the “spirit” of breath will manifest as vibrations of the body.
The mind will settle and become steady with time.
Sleepyness may come for a short time due to pranayama.
It will pass.
The breath will go from rough to silent with time.
Breath at an easy speed, not quickly.

The blood will be the first to synch with breath. Then the heart.

Making the breath rhythmical is just as important as keeping it consistant.

Their will be hot and cool periods.
Keep the eyes open. This way one dosnt loose consciousness. The sight will still withdraw no worries.

Intensity of pranayama matters not.
Do not increase speed simply to manifest more “spirit”, you will agitate the heart pump.
Duration is what matters! To practice from beggining to end without interruption!
If for one hour, then do one hour without interruption!

Practice until the senses withdraw completely. Do not let any fanciful thing distract you. Keep steady on the breath!

Practice until the water of the kidneys presses upwards. When this happens, you will know and realize its meaning during urination.
When this sign manifest. One can be sure that the internal fire is present. Practice until this sign is present. When it has great streangth, one will notice lust has vanished.
Not even the touch of a woman will stir you. One will have no desire for a woman’s body. For the desire is burnt up by pranayama.
then one is ready.

When the member spontaneously rises up. One should quickly sit with your woman. Her on the lap.
One should perform pranayama and simultaneously create fluid.
The body will turn solid red. Their will be much heat.
Their will be no fear of ejaculation. The body will not allow it at this point.
Let not too little fluid circulate. Yet do not overdue it.
Leave when circulation is efficient.
One will have intense euphoria. A body beyond the body will be known.
One should then go back to meditation.
Circulate the gross fluid not too much. Yet not too little.
Circulate it periodically.
In this way both mind and body are transformed.
This is the dual cultivation taught.
One need only consistancy and good duration of practice.
the greater the duration,the quicker the advancement.

Those with great lust should practice no shorter than an hour.

This is the magic of pranayama and samadhi.
The most wonderful secret. Is that all is manifested and made fixed simply by consistant circulation
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Make sure no body part is in a position where it will fall asleep! The blood must flow.
If the “spirit” not manifest, one is only huffing and puffing air. You will “feel” when the spirit manifests.
Huffing and puffing air will do nothing. If within 15 minutes you do not feel the breaths spirit manifest then realize. Yet do not let this discourage you.
Remember. Rhythmical AND consistant. Comfortable and easy. Without strain. Yet not slowly, definatly not quickly. Yet actively.
In time one can slow and elongate the breath whilst still keeping the spirit manifest.

Observe the unconditional infinite love that emanates within, reflect it as is.

Thank you Seeking for your very interesting postings in this forum. One gets inspired just by reading you. Please, keep us informed of your advancements and discoveries.

But I am afraid my time for sharing is largely over. Where once there was a strong inner pressure to do so now there is not. A peace of sorts has taken it’s place.

I also realize that too much sharing may have done others a dis-service in that they form beliefs based on my shared experiences. I apologize to any one that has happened to, it was never my intent.

Better to do and see for ones own-self. The things I have described anyone can experience. The experiences themselves are only the reportable side effects not the main thing which eludes description.

[QUOTE=joelop;83714]Thank you Seeking for your very interesting postings in this forum. One gets inspired just by reading you. Please, keep us informed of your advancements and discoveries.[/QUOTE]

But that’s a mistake our human minds constantly make; we tend to idealize, mystify everything related to spirituality, that’s why I think you are doing a great service showing that everybody can reach those spiritual levels if they bother to tread the path.

Everyone can do anything another can and that is the whole point of sharing because when you discover this it puts joy in your heart not only for yourself but for everyone else too when you realize it is not just reserved for the few or the lucky.

I have retired from this forum now permanently but thought you deserved an answer before signing off for the final time.

Good luck you will get what you work for. God never fails to give when it is time to receive. Only God alone knows the timing and his will for each of us.

This is what I understand most of all.

Amen.

[QUOTE=joelop;83725]But that’s a mistake our human minds constantly make; we tend to idealize, mystify everything related to spirituality, that’s why I think you are doing a great service showing that everybody can reach those spiritual levels if they bother to tread the path.[/QUOTE]

Thank you for your kindness and for your serious and honest spiritual work my friend. Never stop sharing your discoveries, many will certainly benefit from it.

Namaste.