What's Samadhi for?

Mindfulness Meditation
#41

Good lord almighty there is so much wrong in here I don’t know where to start. Lets start at the beginning.

[QUOTE=Surya Deva;32912]Siva, I am not here to convert people to Yoga. I understand as soon as people know the truth about what Yoga is few people will try it.

Yoga is a Hindu practice based on the sole aim to reach self-realization and become a god(this is what it means to enter into union with the divine) It is a very serious spiritual path only for people who are ready to take the path.

[B]Yoga is not a “Hindu” practice. Many “Hindus” don’t practice the yoga.

You can consider yourself “hindu” and not practice yoga.

Before there even was a name called “India” there were beings practicing yoga all over Gods creation since time began. [/B]

I understand those people who are trying to market Yoga to the West are going to really disprove of my honesty but they are ultimately misleading the West by marketing Yoga as a stress buster, physical relaxation, muscle toning and weight loss program. Sure, it gets the Secularists, Christians and Muslims doing Yoga and sure it makes them more spiritual and I am glad for them, but what they do not realise they is that they are practicing Hinduism and will gradually become Hindu the deeper they go into their Yoga practice.

T[B]hey will gradually come to the truth not practice “Hinduism”[/B]

It is actually great if they do become Hindu, if the world becomes Hindu we will have a much more enlightened world.

[B]It would actually be great if everyone practied yoga we would have a much more enlightened world
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However, I do not believe in deception, nobody should be deceived into becoming a Hindu. They need to be told from the outset what they are getting themselves involved in, what is the history, cultural context and philosophy of Yoga so they can make an informed decision.

[B]There you go again.[/B]

No, because my statement was that one is not practicing meditation unless they reach pratyhara.

[B]Depends on your definition of meditation. You can use lower mind system to engender qualities -through habituation of the object. [/B]

You can do the previous steps if you want, I mean why not? They will do a great deal of good and prepare you for meditation. I am not here to tell people what to do or what not to do. I am simply telling the truth that the practice they call meditation is not meditation and they are wasting their time.

[B]They are not wasting their time. Don’t be so hoity toity. I.e. Vain. Tedious. Arrogant. [/B]

Instead, I am telling them the truth that if they want to go to the advanced stages of Yoga(meditation) that they will need to first master the prelimary stages which they can do at their own pace.

[B]Preposterous. They don’t have to master lower branches to enter meditation. They don’t have to master all the asanas, all the kumbhakas, all the bandhas and mudras to get the mind into meditation. [/B]

One thing is very clear though Yoga is a very serious spiritual path and does require dedication. The more intense your practice the faster you will reach the goal of becoming a god.

[B]BECOMMING A GOD!!! LOL. Now Indra may disagree but I think being a yogi is better than being a deva. How can Indra help those who need it if he’s stuck in a heavenly abode? Hmmm? [/B]

At this moment I am like you and others, I do not have an intense practice, I do whatever I can which obviously makes some difference, but at the end of the year I am going to India to find a master and then completely dedicate myself to his Yoga. Then I will have a very intense practice. I am very serious about spirituality.

If you indeed are reaching pratyhara by “meditation” you are doing right now just ignore what I am saying. However, if you are not reaching it, then you would be wise to listen to my advice. It is unmistakeable you will experience a complete black out of the senses and experience very vivid visions.

[B]You do not know of what you speak… Stop playing.[/B]

If you’ve had this experience then whatever you are doing is working. If you’re not had this experience or barely have had it, then whatever you are doing is not working and you need to do something different.

Mental training is just like any other other training. You need to monitor your progress constantly and measure your gains.

[I]To lighten things up and make Yoga sound a bit ridiculous. Yoga is training to become a superhuman god-like being with superpowers [/I]

[B]If thats your goal. You go onto it then. [/B]

:D[/QUOTE]

#42

You can take Yoga out of Hinduism but you cannot take Hinduism out of Yoga. They are inextricably linked. First and foremost Yoga is a Sanskrit word and Sanskrit is the spiritual language of Hinduism. Secondly, Yoga is developed in Hindu India. The word Hindu refers to the way of life of the people of the Indus. Thirdly, the entire philosophy of yoga is about reaching self-realization and realising atman and braman. This the core doctrine of all Hindu scriptures(Vedas, Upanishads, Gita, Yoga Vasistha, Yogasutras, tantras). Fourthly, the most reverred scriptures of Hindus, the Bhagvad Gita, is a treatise on Yoga and lord Krishna is known as the lord of Yoga. Fifthly, Yoga is also inextricably linked with other Hindu concepts karma, dharma, reincarnation, moksha.

I mean who you are kidding by saying Yoga is not Hindu. It is definitely Hindu. It does not matter if it was being practiced all over creation since the beginning of time. It is still Hindu which is the religion of eternal laws(santana dharma) Yogs is as much Hindu as capitalism is Western.

#43

[QUOTE=Surya Deva;32925]You can take Yoga out of Hinduism but you cannot take Hinduism out of Yoga. They are inextricably linked. First and foremost Yoga is a Sanskrit word and Sanskrit is the spiritual language of Hinduism. Secondly, Yoga is developed in Hindu India. The word Hindu refers to the way of life of the people of the Indus. Thirdly, the entire philosophy of yoga is about reaching self-realization and realising atman and braman. This the core doctrine of all Hindu scriptures(Vedas, Upanishads, Gita, Yoga Vasistha, Yogasutras, tantras. Fourthly, the most reverred scriptures of Hindus, the Bhagvad Gita, is a treatise on Yoga. Fifthly, Yoga is also inextricably linked with other Hindu concepts karma, dharma, reincarnation, moksha.

I mean who you are kidding by saying Yoga is not Hindu. It is definitely Hindu. It does not matter if it was being practiced all over creation since the beginning of time. It is still Hindu which is the religion of eternal laws(santana dharma)[/QUOTE]

It’s yoga. not Hinduism.

Buddhists practice yoga.

Taoist have thier yogas.

Beings in other galaxies have their yoga.

Its called yoga, or whatever they call it. They don’t call it hinduism.

Lol.

Buelller?

Bueller? I’m gonna go do some hinduism!

karma? Just a word to describe truth. How bout that?

Moksah? Just a word to describe truth.

dhama? Just a word to describe truth.

Truth? Just a word to describe truth.

Maya. Just a word…

To insinuate that Hindus made yoga is RETARDED.

They give it names.

I have nothing against Hindus. In fact some time ago I was considered “Hindu” Ahem…

Vedanta is simply a study of what is. They give it all kinds of names.

Taoism is simply a study of what is. They give it all kinds of names.

But to claim Hindu means yoga or that they are synonomous is preposterous.

You didn’t address my points. I’ll have you know. I got my eye on you.

You keep stepping out of line and I’ll be on you like stink on a skunk.

You got lots of learning. Get rid of all this learning. Too much pride at all your “Knowledge” Blinds you it does!!!

I love you.

#44

Surya Deva
[I]This is my last post to you. If you don’t listen to what I write now, I really won’t bother trying to help you again.[/I]

[B]Here is [U]why[/U] you should listen to me:[/B]

  • I have been studying yoga seriously, daily, diligently, (not like you, as you admit, “I do not have an intense practice”) for almost 20 years!
  • I have been a teacher of yoga - [B]full time[/B] - for over 10 years, and must have taught 10,000 students on almost every continent.
  • I am qualified as a teacher to the highest degree in one of the most widely respected lineages, with the title Acharya, which means master.
  • I have studied Sanskrit, many of the yogic scriptures, and in depth theory of all aspects of yoga, including Bhakti, Jnana, Hatha, Raja, Karma yoga.
  • My experiences include meditation for extensive periods of time without breathing.

[B]Here is [U]the only thing I want to convey to you[/U], the rest is unimportant:[/B]

Don’t go to India looking for a Guru with Siddhis. Please don’t. You are setting yourself up for a big fall my friend. Any ‘Guru’ who displays Siddhis for the sake of attracting a disciple or student is nothing but a charlatan. You will waste time and energy. Now, that may be your destiny, in which case you will not listen to me, you will go to India, and you will find your ‘Guru’, for sure. You will then learn the hard way. If you want to waste this lifetime on that path, it’s so very easy…

I wonder if you will finally listen to some sense now…

#45

There is a place for display of siddhis.

Let him fulfill his desire!

#46

Hey scales what I find hilarious is how you call everything that are recognised as the core beliefs and practices of Hinduism(karma, reincarnation, dharma, moksha, yoga) the truth. So in other words you are calling Hinduism the truth :wink:

The rest is just semantics.

Even Hindus do not claim Hindusim is an an Indian religion. They say it is a cosmological religion an eternal religion. So of course people in other galaxies will be practicing it as well :smiley:

If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and looks like a duck it is a duck. Yoga is based on Hindu language, Hindu philosophy, Hindu scriptures, Hindu authorities(Krishna, Shiva) and Hindu scriptures. I am sorry but pretend all you want, Yoga is Hinduism.

#47

Transcends name and form.

Quack. Quack. Quack.

Your getting it. YES!!!

On alpha centaurie’s planet m.nyghtshamalanabingbong they call it the force. They claim to have made it up. They give it all these weird names. Morons. Dont’ they know it’s called padmasana not star form? Made up by a thin betel skinned man in India? He should have patened it. Then we’d know for sure.

The yoga is eternally public domain. I’ve said my peace.

Feel free to have the last word though.

#48

We are saying pretty much the same thing, only using different names. It does not matter what they call it on another planet it still refers to the same eternal religion that we call Hinduism on Earth.

I never said Hinduism only belonged to Indians did I? It belongs to everybody. However, it is still Hinduism no matter what name you call it by. Hinduism is defined by its philosophy and practice, which you call the “truth” What did you think Hindusim was? I never said Hinduism belonged to India. Indians simply discovered it and have preserved it.

#49

[B]Here is [U]the only thing I want to convey to you[/U], the rest is unimportant:[/B]

Don’t go to India looking for a Guru with Siddhis. Please don’t. You are setting yourself up for a big fall my friend. Any ‘Guru’ who displays Siddhis for the sake of attracting a disciple or student is nothing but a charlatan. You will waste time and energy. Now, that may be your destiny, in which case you will not listen to me, you will go to India, and you will find your ‘Guru’, for sure. You will then learn the hard way. If you want to waste this lifetime on that path, it’s so very easy…

I wonder if you will finally listen to some sense now…

I respect your credentials and experience. I want to clarify to you I am not looking for just a guru who has siddhis, but a guru who can help me develop spiritually as well. The siddhis are important as a mark that the guru has reached the higher levels of Yoga. Please do not worry I will use my discernment and I am a very good judge of character. I am not so superficial as to be seduced by somebody who only has siddhis but has no spirituality.
The real guru is the the one that will help me realise my highest potentials and put me in touch with my self.

#50

Look to your left. Look to your right. There they are.

Best of luck Surya. Happy travels.

om shanti,
siva

#51

[QUOTE=Surya Deva;32934]We are saying pretty much the same thing, only using different names. It does not matter what they call it on another planet it still refers to the same eternal religion that we call Hinduism on Earth.

I never said Hinduism only belonged to Indians did I? It belongs to everybody. However, it is still Hinduism no matter what name you call it by. Hinduism is defined by its philosophy and practice, which you call the “truth” What did you think Hindusim was? I never said Hinduism belonged to India. Indians simply discovered it and have preserved it.[/QUOTE]

When someone says Hinduism don’t they think of Vishnu, and Brahma, and Krishna and all this? The Rituals they don’t understand? and on and on. All the different cults, sects, and so on? THere’s A LOT TO IT. Its very rich. I love hinduism/sanatana dharma/vedanta

American Tourists in India infront of Temple of Shiva:
“Ron why are they screwing?”

Now I know what they represent. I know this is good indian imagination and cunning.

The Term “Hinduism” scares people away. They might think oh I’m not going to practice yoga cause Vishnu will posess me. No way. Dude. Jesus is the guy for me.

I don’t worship RAM!!!

Who is this Ram?

You feeling me?

Yoga is Universal. Claiming it’s hindu is preposterous and secretarian. Sure they may have developed, and or REDISCOVERED certain techniques., but it has always been. It belongs to no one. It is for all.

For all peoples benefit. When you start piping off about how yoga will make people hindu you will scare them off.

You do them a disservice. Those who’ve turned their back on the yoga . . . due to indiscrimination. Who knows when they will find it again?

Why would you want to do that?

Vedanta is good Name.

Sanatana Dharma is Good name.

Hinduism has “negative” connotations for many people. Especially here in capitalist Christian America. You dig?

I can strip all of hinduism out of yoga and it would still be yoga.

Don’t be secretarin. Don’t be elitest. The yoga is for everyone.

#52

[QUOTE=The Scales;32926]I love you.[/QUOTE]

Once upon a time, there was a little boy who felt alone. So he took his books and went to play with other children. He put the books all around the playground and sat looking what will happen. But other children didn’t like it and started to push the books around and even started to walk away. And the boy was very sad…

#53

[QUOTE=omamana;32859]Can you please elaborate on this?[/QUOTE] the man with one book becomes a know it all and anyone with a different book becomes wrong and inferior

#54

[QUOTE=Surya Deva;32935].
The real guru is the the one that will help me realise my highest potentials and put me in touch with my self.[/QUOTE]
lift up your hand, now smack yourself in the face. Now first of all that is a miracle, anything that happens is a miracle. second of all you are now in touch with your self. repeat as necessarry.

PS. my yoga mat is still bigger

#55

Yoga is Universal. Claiming it’s hindu is preposterous and secretarian.

Hinduism is not a secetarian at all. It is a name given to all the sects, religions, cults in India Shaktism, Smartism, Shivaism, Vaishavism. What is common to all of them is moksha, yoga, dharma, karma and reincarnation. These in turn are based on the six schools of Hindu philosophy, which in turn are based on the Upanishads which in turn are based on the Vedas.

You can call it Sanatana dharma if you like. But the rest of the world knows it as Hinduism. The term has stuck now so rather than fighting it, you need to embrace it.

Yoga is the practice of Hinduism. It is taught in Hindu scriptures. It is taugt by Hindu gurus(Swami Vivekanada, Swami Yogananda, Sir Aurobindo, Ramana Maharishi, Papaji, Swami Dayananda, Swami Sivananda etc et) You can try all you want to try and separate Yoga out from Hinduism, but you will invariably fail. I mean how can you separate it from Hinduism when Hinduism actually teaches Yoga? The Hindu bible, the gita, is a treatise on Yoga. Hinduism is in fact Yoga. I think one who cannot realise this is a fool.

The hindu religion is the religion of people who believe that ones sole mission in life to attain self-realization and become the ultimate consciousness that pervades all of existence which is both transcendent and immanent in myriad forms. It is their belief that one is born and reborn endlessly until this mission is not realised. It is their belief that there is an eternal way and we should we live in harmony with this eternal way. It is their belief that there are countless ways to self-realization and there are countless enlightened masters. It is their belief that everything is cyclic. It is their belief that we must only accept what is reasonable and logical and reject blind faith.

These are the core beliefs of a Hindu. If you believe in all of these core beliefs you are a Hindu. It does not matter what planet you are on.

#56

Don’t scare the people away.

You do your yoga. Get unstuck. Quit with all this sillyness. You’ll be all better.

#57

It sounds like you are afraid of people not doing Yoga if it associated with Hinduism. This is why i said that earlier that people who are trying to market Yoga to the West are going to disapprove of my honesty. But like I said I have no agenda to convert people to Yoga, so I am going to tell the truth. Yoga is Hindu. They are doing a Hindu practice. They will not be able to shake this off. I have nothing against them doing a Hindu practice so as long as they recognise it is Hindu.

Even Christian authorities have recognised the fact that Yoga is Hindu.

#58

Christian Authorities?

I’m converting to Taoist Yoga. I’m gonna study the TAO. And turn the wheel. and go through the gate. And contemplate the void. and Do Tai Chi and qi gong I’m gonna put my spirit in the house of FIRE!!!

No sunsalutations there. NOpe. No lotus petals there. Not a one. No vishnu granthi. No third eye chakra. No Shiva. No Krishna. No Kanda. No Shankara.

YOU BONEHEAD!!!

I’m not afraid or scared. You simply provide the people a serious disservice through your stunted view. Do your yoga so you can get unstuck and help out.

and I’m done…

#59

I am afraid we Hindus have strong sense of pride now days and we are not going to let others appropriate our contributions. Yoga is what we developed. Not the rest of the world. It is a unique Hindu contribution.

Stop acting like a fool and pretend Yoga appeared in a vacuum. Anybody who studies the history of Yoga will be lead back to Hinduism.

By all means do your tai ch and qigong. That is just a syncretic form of Yoga and traditional Chinese practices. It is not as developed as Yoga. This is why Yoga is a multibillion dollar industry and not tai chi or qigong.

#60

The truth comes out.