Where the WILLPOWER comes from?

Dear friends, please note that the question is not about developing willpower neither about the definition of WILL power.

There are a lot of book around on how to develop it and improve willpower.

BUT in order to start developing willpower one need a DESIRE for this development.

Strong willpower should make us better of. That makes me think that DESIRE for having strong WILL comes from the STRONG EGO?

or maybe the ability to develop a willpower is based on some genetic qualities of the brain cells and some people just have the natural WILLPOWER or the desire to have one?

Thank you for your comments

Hi City Monk, good question, I’m thinking about this…

I think that willpower is a fabric in a person’s astrological blueprint. Depending on the energetic connections for that particular soul life, certain folks will posses an innate inner ability to focus willpower more than others. Just like many things, we all have the opportunities available to us, some are able to cultivate it with less effort.

I do not have an exact definition of will power.

Where it comes from ? From within you. It is a gift a God.

Will power can be cultivated. There are many exercises for concentration.
Probably the most known is Trataka. Just this simple one exercise will
help you tremendously.

[QUOTE=oak333;47916]I do not have an exact definition of will power.

Where it comes from ? From within you. It is a gift a God.

Will power can be cultivated. There are many exercises for concentration.
Probably the most known is Trataka. Just this simple one exercise will
help you tremendously.[/QUOTE]

I was reading on how to cultivate it… every tip starts with something like :“do what you do not like to train your willpower:)”

But the one who lucks the willpower sometimes just do not want to do what he likes!!! not to mention some challenging tasks…

It looks like the willpower is strongly attached to the desire to excel… and looks like it has to do alot with ego…

This is indeed an interesting question and I have thought about it…

From my experience, when I think what I need willpower for it involves good intentions and are not driven by my ego.

For example…if I dedicate my intention before a yoga class to someone I feel might benefit from it my willpower during that class will be based on that good intention and not my ego in relation to those around me.

Yes, there are also examples where the ego can influence willpower but for me it is much less of a motivation.

My ego is far stronger when I have underlying feelings of insecurity, it is ego and competitiveness which then pushes me through.

[QUOTE=CityMonk;47834]Dear friends, please note that the question is not about developing willpower neither about the definition of WILL power.

There are a lot of book around on how to develop it and improve willpower.

BUT in order to start developing willpower one need a DESIRE for this development.

Strong willpower should make us better of. That makes me think that DESIRE for having strong WILL comes from the STRONG EGO?

or maybe the ability to develop a willpower is based on some genetic qualities of the brain cells and some people just have the natural WILLPOWER or the desire to have one?

Thank you for your comments[/QUOTE]

I have had a think and wonder if it is exercised when the person takes themselves seriously.
Of course it can be for good or bad that a person exercises willpower.

“BUT in order to start developing willpower one need a DESIRE for this development.”

I think willpower, very simply, comes from our natural motivation to avoid pain and to experience pleasure. You could complicate it if you like, but I really don’t see how it could be anything more.

[QUOTE=omamana;48133]This is indeed an interesting question and I have thought about it…

From my experience, when I think what I need willpower for it involves good intentions and are not driven by my ego.

For example…if I dedicate my intention before a yoga class to someone I feel might benefit from it my willpower during that class will be based on that good intention and not my ego in relation to those around me.

Yes, there are also examples where the ego can influence willpower but for me it is much less of a motivation.

My ego is far stronger when I have underlying feelings of insecurity, it is ego and competitiveness which then pushes me through.[/QUOTE]

ego can drive some good, the best intentions sometimes!

[QUOTE=YogiAdam;48779]I think willpower, very simply, comes from our natural motivation to avoid pain and to experience pleasure. You could complicate it if you like, but I really don’t see how it could be anything more.[/QUOTE]

The more I think the more I see willpower as a manifestation of our basic needs. Sleep, Eat and Sleep with:)

One needs a willpower to get up and make money to buy some food to satisfy the basic hunger. One needs to mantain attractive body to be loved by opposite sex. But why sometimes these simple basic needs do not work and do not stimulate the will power to get up, look better, quit smoking, etc…

When the desire for these things outweighs whatever is inhibiting you, this is where willpower comes from - strong desire?

So Will Power is rooted in Desire.

Ohh wait. one can build will power to do a right thing, and that would be based not upon desire, but on something deeper. hmmm. I’m trying to think of how to define that, but it’s not coming to me here in my cubicle on my lunch. :frowning: Not the best place for deep thought.

I think that willpower is a trait that can be developed, and our practice both depends upon it and strengthens it. It is mastery over both the mind and body that grows as we practice.

Until we transcend the ego, we can use the ego and its desires to further our practice through strengthening our will.

So if it comes from desire, that’s great because our egos are full of desire! :stuck_out_tongue:

Thinking about this some more, it dawned on me that Willpower is power of the will. A stronger will enables us to pursue our practice. A weaker will could be seen as an obstacle to overcome in order to practice.

But why do we practice?

[QUOTE=oak333;47916]I do not have an exact definition of will power.

Where it comes from ? From within you. It is a gift a God.

Will power can be cultivated. There are many exercises for concentration.
Probably the most known is Trataka. Just this simple one exercise will
help you tremendously.[/QUOTE]

First you say willpower is a Gift a God.

Then you say willpower is cultivated by gazing.

‘God’ endowing one person with the strenght of ‘willpower’ and denying Joe Blow 12 pack the strenght of will power sounds an awful lot like “God playing favorites.”

Does God playing favorites sound Logical to you?

We have three forms of energy - (1) essence of consciousness (sourced at muladhara chakra) which activates with the first breath at birth; (2) “will” power (sourced at swadhisthana chakra) activates at the second breath. Both these energies perpetuate, but carry an expiry date. (3) Awareness: this is sourced from the earlier two energies, when will power causes essence of consciousness to travel upwards and to activate other chakras. Thus, awareness is progressive and ultimately merges with the essence of consciousness to become ‘pure consciousness’ itself.

However, will power is born faint and neutral. While growing up, this power remains imprisoned in the physical world and is mostly exhausted in making choices in life’s struggles. At best, it grows up to become ‘emotional will’ when our choices are not by near-animal instincts, but more human.

When we take the spiritual path, the early purification processes elevates awareness to anahat chakra, when emotional will is firmly active. Soon the awareness keeps elevating as the will turns intellectual and eventually, spiritual. Since will elevates awareness, the will’s power is manifested in the choices we make. This is why one with intellectual will has to make efforts to stay non-attached to objects, while one with spiritual will does it effortlessly.

But,it is not a one-way street. We can dissipate the will energy, as well. Excessive indulgence (as swadhisthana chakra is associated with regenerative organs), swings of emotions, inconsistent yoga practice, locking oneself up in intellectual battles and the likes of such deeds can deplete the energy.

But, in any case, CitiMonk, I don’t think DESIRE or STRONG EGO have anything to do with cultivating will. And if at all we can inherit anything it may not be brain, but ability to purify swadhisthana, when it comes to will.

Interesting you mention svadistahana chakra. I have just done little work on that particular chakra with interesting results recently.

Aimiing for something more in life i guess.

Yes Karen, good answer ," taking oneself seriously" .

And taking oneself seriously is discovering who or what your true self actually is, i.e your hidden potential. I.e All this talk of living out of relative unconsciousness is what people do when they just go through the motions… slepep,breathe,eat drink, make love, washing without thinking, with little regard for why or what.One just does.There is’nt any rhyme or reason.Becoming more aware means you can actually alter your perception and the doing.

Taking oneself seriously is allowing the hidden self to manifest or emerge…

@City Monk

Desire and will-power don’t really sound the same.Desire is usually some shade of ego and will-power sounds like effort directed.Spiritual desire & willpower sounds like bhakti.

Is this leading somewhere? …lol

It’s taking the real self seriously is’nt it?

(as supposed to the false self/ego/mind/illusion/mask/unconscioussness etc)

Where’s Neitzsche gone?..