Why are Kundalini held poses held so long?

Another thread addressed “how long should you hold yoga poses” and the general consensus was under a minute per pose. I’ve recently started doing Kundalini yoga. In class, it always feels like we hold poses forever. In my home practice, I notice that most of the poses say to hold them 1-3 minutes, some up to 5-7 minutes.

My questions are:

Why are Kundalini Yoga poses held so long?
What are the benefits of holding them so long?
What are the risks?

In general, I find myself getting wobbly and shaky on some of the poses before the time is halfway up. My instructors all said that’s ok and it means this or that benefit is happening. But my readings online say that yoga poses should only be held as long as you can keep them steady.

My guess.

To allow the prana vayu more time to do what it does.

another theory

The Length of the pose may help develop STRENGTH OF MENTAL DISCIPLINE.

Strenght of Mental Discipline can be very very very very very very very very useful.

LOL

Scales :D,

What roughly is prana vayu or what does it do allegedly?

You’ve mentioned it a few times;what is it’s significance then you think?

Hello Vighnahara :D,

Benefits:-

Discipline,concentration,letting-go or active surrender, deeper & stronger effects.

Pose ,i feel, is best ‘steady and comfortable’.The ancient texts do say this. If you keep on shaking then maybe not so therapeutic.It could be a good thing, accompanied by say perspiration and purging.Or if you’re relatively new to the practice.Or it could be muscles going into spasm.Best to err on caution. How does it feel to you during and say several days after practice.

You are your own best teacher,the expert, after all,no matter what the instructor might say or not say.

Some might call the label kundalini yoga as a bit of a misonomer,perhaps because it may be popularly used to refer to a style that Yogi Bhajan taught or something similar.

Features like eye-body cooridnated movements, breath of fire(awakening manipura),verbal chanting,mantra,nose-tip gazing etc and more meditative aspects combined with sometimes vigourous and repetitive asana movements.

The label kundalini yoga could really cover a much broader branch and combination and over-lap of many yogas.It is specifically geared though up to awakening kundalini or tapping into the full potential of the energy body.This is why it’s sometimes called the jewel in the crown.It is generally designed to help awaken and purify the energy channels,and popularised by certain teachers.

The longer-held poses would generally work on a deeper level through to the subtlest of bodies or koshas, i would have thought.That said some people’s physical bodies may not be quite ready for that.

Best to listen to what your own body is or may be trying to tell you.

If you do feel steady & comfortable a wiser apporach would be slowly and gradually increasing the length of time, in small increments,any given pose might be held, if you are unsure.Trying to listen to inner teacher is the way to go.

(The label “Kundalini Yoga” is a pretty broad umbrella,i.e it could catch a spectrum of practices.But it does sound like a deeper, more spiritual, fuller even; it can be intersecting in many places of the yoga tree.).

Prana Vayu. Prana. The “winds”. Essential Breath. ‘the vayu’ . Vital energy. The Breath of Life.

I hesitate to say ‘chi’ but it’s most likely called ‘chi’. My taoist knowledge is elementary. But I do think ‘chi’ and ‘prana vayu’ are synonymous.

Any way - all same.

What is this “Breath of Fire” i hear about?

Is it like a variation of Agni Sara Kriya?

What is this “Breath of Fire” i hear about?

Is it like a variation of Agni Sara Kriya?

Hi Scales! Well sort of. Breath of Fire (Agniprasana) is a bit different. Agnisar Kriya you exhale, expelling all air out and retain the breath while you contract the abdominal muscles in and out. In BOF you inhale, expanding the lungs completely then immediately force ‘almost’ all the air out. Once most of the air is out, you expand the air back in. You press the spine forward and place hands on knees. All this is done w/o expanding or contracting completely. You move faster and faster allowing the rhythm to take over.

BOF has been erroneously compared to Bastrika and Kapalabati. The last 2 are mainly used to calm the mind. BOF is used in conjunction with asana, mudra, bandha, meditation and chanting to move energy (kundalini). When not practiced correctly or too quickly you can have a very negative experience trying to awaken kundalini to reach enlightenment.

Vighnahara,

Poses are held longer because they use BOF and meditation to help intensify the pose. This helps create peace and clarity of mind and increase stamina and strength. This is a very physically demanding style of yoga and not one that most people new to yoga gravitate toward. The guidance of a qualified teacher is a real plus. If you become shaky, it’s normal. Just back off the pose for a bit and then come back into it. Focusing on BOF or meditating while in the pose really helps. BOF is not done with every pose and there is no real flow or sequence per se. Kundalini is a wonderfully energetic, physically and emotionally satisfying style of yoga. But it’s certainly not for everyone. It is my preferred style and one that I would like to become certified to teach at some point.

[quote=The Scales;36166]Prana Vayu. Prana. The “winds”. Essential Breath. ‘the vayu’ . Vital energy. The Breath of Life.

I hesitate to say ‘chi’ but it’s most likely called ‘chi’. My taoist knowledge is elementary. But I do think ‘chi’ and ‘prana vayu’ are synonymous.

Any way - all same.

[/quote]

Hi Scales,

Thanks for the explanation & info. ,Cheers.
Very interesting.:smiley:

What is this “Breath of Fire” i hear about?

Is it like a variation of Agni Sara Kriya?
You raise a really good question,and indeed one i queried at the beginning of the year, including with another poster on this forum.

I can tell you this:-

That I practice agnisara kriya.

That i’m not aware ,at least, of any practice i employ which i term “breath of fire”,just that it’s seems to be one of the trademarks of Yogi Bhajan’s “kundalini yoga” amongst others.Look like a great yoga though probably hard to find a good teacher for.

There does not seem much to distiinguish between the two practices.

Agni(belly,fire)
Sara(essence)
Kriya(movement or action)

& BOF is Agni prasana (joyfull.pleasiing,satsfying,theraapeutic?)

Because i’m not aware that i practice anything like BOF, I’m therfore not in the best position to know how it differs,including all the subtle nuances.We often see names of practices bandied about, together with variations like you say- then it can become a debate about the name ,but it does help if we’re on the same page,i.e with repsect to what it is we’re trying to reference.

However my understanding is this:-

[B]1)[/B]Basic version( or prelimiary stage 1)- ASK

In agni sara kriya, the breath is [U]passive[/U],in concert with the abdominal contractions,inhale-expand,exhale-contract.

In it’s basic, the mouth is open with the tongue hanging and dog-panting breath is employed.

This is also called Swana Pranayama btw.

Can be done standing,sitting and kneeeling.

Kneeling can afford larger volume of air with more eccentuation of expanded belly especially if you are somone more comfortable in vajrasana; this one however is done kneeling down with legs as [I]wide [/I]apart as possible (yet still anatomically comfortable) ,slightly forward hand on kness, arms straight , head can also be lowered a little(depending on whose pranayama you follow but it’s said to briing more of the contemplative back of the brain head/mind into operation rather than the calculative front head, and lowering head can assist in opening chest and both employing subtle neck bandha, stimulation of thyroud centres etc.Sitting is often encouraged as best and standing is done just like the standing version of uddiyana bhanda.

Also bear in mind that this can be employed as a preliminary to gaining uddiyana(& nauli) mastery which is how i’m doing it.

[B]2)[/B]Advanced -ASK

Done with retention say upt to 20-25 times, 3 rounds/batches but just starting of with 3 kriyas(1 round) to begin with, (until mastery is attained, and progressive daily conditioniing and accompnaying changes are realised)


As i sai i’m not in best potition to answer this as i’m not aware i practice anything that i term BOF.I think there is definitely waking up of abdominal musculature with the agni-sar kriya.That’s why i practice it.also stimulates abdominal organs as well and creates a heat or fire in the belly.Also i think the breathing may play a biiggger role and be more active in agni- prasana,aka “breath of fire”.

The differences i’m aware of in BOF are:-

1)The arching of the spine back
2)Breathing through the nose(**this is clearly the main dfference)

Perhaps someone else might chime in here who does actually practice something they term “Breat of Fire” or who does practise and/or teach ‘bhajan’ style “kundalini yoga”.

I’m thinking agnisara kriya is or may be more of a kriya for the belly(abdominal musclulature & organs etc) rather than BoF which may be more of an over-all purifier( for all the nadis) particularly because the breath is used differently.

The explanation Lotus gave above here was excellent & very informative.:cool:

Hey Core,

I do practice Yogi Bhajan style Kundalini and do breath of fire. I haven’t yet found a teacher to go deeper into the practice as in the area I live they mainly have either Ashtanga or flow. Really the main difference is the breath retention during the abdominal contractions in Agnisara. BOF you expel almost all air out and 'immediately take air back in. As I really have not not practiced agnisara kriya, I may have the understanding wrong. If someone could clarify please?

Kapalabati, Bhastrika, and BOF (and I guess I can assume agnisara Kriya) are similar yet they do have subtle difference. Mainly the emphasis on either the inhale, exhale, retention, both inhale and exhale, passive or forced. As mentioned above Kapalabati and Bhastrika are never to be used to awaken the Kundalini sakti as per Iyengar in his book Light on pranayama. Likewise, using BOF alone may awaken Kundalini Sakti, but with very negative effects. Needs to be part a practice.

Hello Lotus :stuck_out_tongue:

[quote=lotusgirl;36373]Hey Core,

I do practice Yogi Bhajan style Kundalini and do breath of fire.[/QUOTE]

I see.

I haven’t yet found a teacher to go deeper into the practice as in the area I live they mainly have either Ashtanga or flow

Yes, same here.

Really the main difference is the breath retention during the abdominal contractions in Agnisara.
Yes.Agreed.The preliminary basic version i posted above can be used with passive dog-panting breath, mouth open.

BOF you expel almost all air out and 'immediately take air back in.
Don’t practice it or not that i’m aware of.

As I really have not not practiced agnisara kriya, I may have the understanding wrong. If someone could clarify please?
No, it’s correct.

Kapalabati, Bhastrika, and BOF (and I guess I can assume agnisara Kriya) are similar yet they do have subtle difference. Mainly the emphasis on either the inhale, exhale, retention, both inhale and exhale, passive or forced.
Agreed.

As mentioned above Kapalabati and Bhastrika are never to be used to awaken the Kundalini sakti as per Iyengar in his book Light on pranayama.
There are all kinds of health warnings and cautions so i can believe it.Steady & incremental learning is usually prescribed and cautioned for; in favour of.

Likewise, using BOF alone may awaken Kundalini Sakti, but with very negative effects. Needs to be part a practice.
Yes.Agreed.All part of a balanced and full-scope yoga practice incl. asana, meditation etc and generally clean balanced lifestyle.

Hello Lotus :stuck_out_tongue:

[quote=lotusgirl;36373]Hey Core,

I do practice Yogi Bhajan style Kundalini and do breath of fire.[/quote]

I see.

I haven’t yet found a teacher to go deeper into the practice as in the area I live they mainly have either Ashtanga or flow
Yes, same here.

Really the main difference is the breath retention during the abdominal contractions in Agnisara.
Yes.Agreed.The preliminary basic version i posted above can be used as preparation for agni-sara proper( the full version,i.e with retention) , & employs passive dog-panting breath, mouth open.

BOF you expel almost all air out and 'immediately take air back in.
Don’t practice it or not that i’m aware of.

As I really have not not practiced agnisara kriya, I may have the understanding wrong. If someone could clarify please?
No, it’s correct.

Kapalabati, Bhastrika, and BOF (and I guess I can assume agnisara Kriya) are similar yet they do have subtle difference. Mainly the emphasis on either the inhale, exhale, retention, both inhale and exhale, passive or forced.
Agreed.

As mentioned above Kapalabati and Bhastrika are never to be used to awaken the Kundalini sakti as per Iyengar in his book Light on pranayama.
There are all kinds of health warnings and cautions so i can believe it.Steady & incremental learning is usually prescribed and cautioned for; in favour of.

Likewise, using BOF alone may awaken Kundalini Sakti, but with very negative effects. Needs to be part a practice.
Yes.Agreed.All part of a balanced and full-scope yoga practice incl. asana, meditation etc and generally clean balanced lifestyle.

You really wanted to capture my attention with a double post! Ha! Ha!

Thanks for the info. We are on the same page!

Thank you everyone for your feedback!

To summarize my understanding: you hold the poses longer in order to intensify and increase the benefits of the exercises. That feeling shaky is normal at first while my body gets used to the exercises, and as long as it’s not painful or uncomfortable then the shaking is ok.

I really like Breath of Fire, it seems to make a lot of the intense poses feel easier. It also seems to help me focus mentally and work my core.

The way I would describe it is, squeeze your diaphragm to push out the air for the exhale, and relax your diaphragm to allow the air to automatically flow into the vacuum created by expanding the space for the inhale. It should look like your stomach is pumping, and the inhale should take the same amount of time as the exhale. I had to start slowly to make sure I was doing it properly and not just hyperventilating or breathing into my upper lungs, and then as I get the hang of it, I’m gradually increasing the rate and strength of the breath.

You got it! It’s like a piston motion. But I would suggest in the beginning, if you do shake, just come back a bit from the pose. Re-establish BOF and then go back into it. It is too distracting trying to practice BOF while you are shaking. With practice, you will quickly gain the strength and stamina you need.

Best of luck!

Heheh I love when people think that Kundalini is actually something that can be fascilitated by some sort of posture or specific yoga and its something physcial happening.

The rising of Kundalini is nothing more than a metaphor for the rising of wisdom.:wink::slight_smile:

Kundalini practitioners would beg to differ with you. The postures, breath, meditation, chanting and mudra’s help to facilitate the rising of Kundalini energy, clearing the chakras and allowing the energy to rise to the crown chakra. Is it wisdom? Yes, but Kundalini helps you to achieve it in a systematic, cleansing and expedited way. It should be done under the guidance of a teacher/guru.

I’m actually doing Kundalini yoga, and what I have experienced up to now is that not only I’d never had this strength before, but what a feeling of clear sight and improvement of all senses.

Thank too has been my experience.

I understand what others may feel lotus girl. No worries, everyone shouldn’t beleive me, who am I to tell them? Im not their Guru eh? :wink:

Everyone has different upayas. hatha, pranayam, “kundalini” yoga are of anavopaya. But the thing is, what people think they are doing with kundalini yoga can be misleading, because one can abide with Shiva/God/Brahman/etc. the same way by staring at a blade of grass or discovered in the space between the breath.

Its ok though, i’m no authority or one to tell others they should do something different.

Take care!

Pranams

Dan

Trika_yogi,

Nicely said! But there was no need to apologize. The beauty of it all is that there are many paths that can be taken.

Totally agree with abiding with the divine staring at a blade of grass. It’s simplicity is its beauty.

But, with reference to Kundalini. Many people arrogantly use Kundalini yoga to short cut their awakening. And that is not a good thing. Flip side, it is my yoga of choice and I feel I will be taken where I need to go. No expectations at all.