Darth Nietzsche: Shoots Force Lightning at David Kenobi.
David Kenobi: Deflects Force Lightning with flick of his arm.
Darth Nietzsche: Force Jumps towards David Kenobi and begins to battle him.
Darth Nietzsche: Force Jumps away and casts Death Field, a life draining power. ITS SUPER EFFECTIVE
David Kenobi: ARRRGGGHHH!!! David Kenobi loses 500 HP!
Darth Nietzsche: Muahhahahaha!!! You can never win Jedi! You attacks are pitiful!
David Kenobi: *While Darth Nietzsche is propounding his soliloquy, David levitates a massive structural beam and sends it crashing into the Sith Lord.
David Kenobi: "Only Sith deal in absolutes!“
Darth Nietzsche: “RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!” Activates Force Fury
Darth Nietzsche: Sends shock-waves of lightning coursing through the ground, causing David to Force jump to safety in fright.
Darth Nietzsche: Hurls massive objects at David Kenobi.
David Kenobi: Dodges the objects heroically, while taking care to redirect them into key structural links!
Darth Nietzsche: Witness my true power!!! You cannot stop me!!
Darth Nietzsche: Hears structural groansWalls cascade around him
David Kenobi: “Only a Sith deals in absolutes…” *Skillfully, but with a gait that can only be induced by exhaustion, he vaults into an opening and escapes the collapsing building.”
Is this the end of Darth Nietzsche? Has Light finally triumphed over Dark? Or has David Kenobi underestimated the true power of the Dark Side?
I extrapolated on [I]your[/I] comment above me tidy quote. The original saying goes something like this “whats good for the goose is good for the gander.”[/QUOTE]
Indeed.
Indeed.
Really? Meh, you know how these maxims change over time…
[QUOTE=TatTvamAsi;61413]LOL… as a Physics major, I agree with you.
As Russell Peters said, “I saw a funny thing today. I saw a white guy driving a cab! I mean…who does he think he is? He comes here, takes our job!” hahahhahahahhahahah[/QUOTE]
OMG HAKZORZ, I LOVE RUSSEL PETERS!
Have you seen the one about him going into a Chinese-run mall and trying to buy a bag?
AND DUUUUDE!!! YOU’RE A PHYSICS MAJOR!?!?!?!?!?
Can you PLEASE teach me [B]Magnetic Flux[/B]? I didn’t understand it when I was studying that topic by myself…
Although there are exceptions of non-Indian Hindus around the world, they NEVER make the rule. [/quote]
Indeed, it is true most of the worlds Hindus are in India, but it is not necessary to be in India to be Hindu. I was born and bought up in the UK in a Sikh family, and yet I am Hindu. There have been many famous non-Indian Hindus:
Chantal Boulanger - French anthropologist who wrote widely on Tamil culture[1].
Russell Brand - British actor and comedian.[2]
Job Charnock - British trade agent who has been controversially described as the founder of Calcutta[3]
Ilan Chester - Venezuelan singer, keyboardist, arranger and composer[4]
Michael Cremo - American creationist, author, and editor[7]
Bhagavan Das (born Kermit Michael Riggs) - Western Yogi and former born again Christian [8]
Roy Eugene Davis - American Kriya Yoga teacher[9]
Krishna Dharma - British author and convert to Gaudiya Vaishnavism under ISKCON[10]
David Frawley - author on Hinduism, Yoga and Ayurveda[11]
Elizabeth Gilbert author of Eat Pray Love [12]
George Harrison - popular English musician, best known as a member of The Beatles who died chanting the Hare Krishna Mahamantra in the company of monks from ISKCON.[13] He is also known for donating Bhaktivedanta Manor, a Hindu temple to the Hare Krishna community in Britain.[14]
Christopher Isherwood - Anglo-American novelist[16]
Jomol - Malayali actress [17]
Swami Kriyananda (born J. Donald Walters) - direct disciple of the yogi Paramahansa Yogananda
Timothy Leary - Harvard professor and American writer and psychologist[18]
Satsvarupa Dasa Goswami - one of the eleven senior Americans selected to become an initiating guru in ISKCON.[19][20][21][22][23][24]
Sister Nivedita (born Margaret Elizabeth Noble) - Anglo-Irish social worker, author, and teacher[25]
Leelawathy Ramanathan - Australia-born Hindu writer and activist. Converted upon marrying Ponnambalam Ramanathan[26]
John Levy - British philosopher who translated books on Advaita Vedanta[27]
Joseph Ritson - English antiquarian and traveller[28]
Julia Roberts - American Actress, star of Eat Pray Love.[29]
Han Snel - Dutch painter of Bali[30]
Satyananda Stokes - Famous English farmer in Himachal Pradesh[31]
Bhakti Tirtha Swami (born John E. Favors) - American Hindu leader and disciple of Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada[32]
Romapada Swami - Preacher of ISKCON[33].
Kenneth R. Valpey - Gaudiya Vaishnava Theologian who studied at Oxford University, St. Cross College[34]
Richard L. Thompson - American mathematician, academic, creationist, and author [35]
Shaunaka Rishi Das (born Timothy Kiernan) - Director of the Oxford Centre for Hindu Studies
Krishna Das (born Jeffrey Kagel) - singer who performs Indian chants called kirtans
Ram Dass (born Richard Alpert)- syncretist, and follower of the Hindu deity Hanuman. Professor of psychology at Harvard University[55]
Hridayananda Goswami (born Howard J. Resnick) - American spiritual leader of the International Society for Krishna Consciousness[56]
Tamal Krishna Goswami (born Thomas G. Herzig) - governing body commissioner of the International Society for Krishna Consciousness
Radhanath_Swami (born Richard Slavin) - is a Gaudiya Vaishnava guru and a member of the International Society for Krishna Consciousness (ISKCON), author of The Journey Home: Autobiography of an American Swami
Agehananda Bharati (born Leopold Fischer) - academic Sanskritist, a prolific author about religious subjects, and a Hindu monk in the Dasanami Sannyasi order[74]
Alain Dani?lou (convert to Shaivism) - French historian, intellectual, musicologist, and Indologist[75]
Ambarish Das (born Alfred Ford) - American businessman, great-grandson of Henry Ford, and a follower of Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada (the founder of ISKCON)[76][77]
Urmila Devi Dasi (born Edith E. Best)- senior female ISKCON leader and educator[78][79]
Geoffrey Giuliano, American biographer [80]
Nina Hagen (follower of Haidakhan Babaji) - German singer[81]
Aldous Huxley (disciple of Swami Prabhavananda) - English writer who emigrated to the United States, author of Brave New World[82]
Joe Don Looney (follower of Swami Muktananda)- football player[83]
J. Mascis - Lead vocalist, guitarist, and drummer for Dinosaur Jr.[84]
John McLaughlin (became a disciple of Sri Chinmoy) - jazz fusion guitar player[85]
Shaunaka Rishi Dasa (Irish convert and member of ISKCON)- founder of the Oxford Centre for Hindu Studies[86][87]
Lex Hixon (syncretist and disciple of Swami Nikhilananda) - poet, philosopher, spiritual practitioner and teacher[88]
Mathias Rust - German daredevil pilot[89]
J. D. Salinger - American author best known for The Catcher in the Rye[90]
Kelli Williams - American actress who played Lindsay Dole Donnell on the ABC legal drama The Practice.[91]
Ricky Williams - Miami Dolphins football player[92].
Crispian Mills - English rock singer named Krishna Kantha dasa. He wrote a foreword to a book by Bhaktivinoda Thakur titled Sri Siksastaka.[93]
Jeffrey Armstrong - Canadian Author, Speaker, Poet [94]
John Dobson (former atheist who became a believer in Vedanta)- astronomer and telescope designer[71][72
Other famous non-Indians who might as well have been Hindu: Erwin Schrodinger, the father of quantum physics; Arthur Schopenhauer, philosopher; Emerson and T.S Elliot.
What this goes to show that one does not have to be born in India to be Hindu.
Hinduism is about accepting Hindu beliefs and practices(brahman, atman, dharma, karma, samsara, yoga) This is how I became Hindu. Then again I was already born in a dharmic tradition - but I had actually rejected that tradition and become atheist in later life.
Hinduism has never just been only for Indians. Some of the famous non-Indian hindus of the past include many Greek savants like the Neo-platonists, Apollonius. Even Pythagoras is strongly believed to have been Hindu.
Hinduism is santana dharma it is universal. I have no doubt in my mind that civilisations on other planets are also practicing it. This is because Hinduism is nothing more than spirituality raised to the level of a science. This is in short what Vedic dharma is all about:
Know the fundamental and absolute reality that is underlying all by delving into your being
Gain control of your senses and mind and enlighten your intellect
Enoble yourself and enoble others by serving the world selflessly and doing good deeds - think nobe thoughts, speak noble things and do noble things
Live in harmony with dharma
I completely disagree with the notion that India and Hinduism are separate. That is a nefarious idea put forth by many of these hippie scum who steal from Indian philosophy and then turn around and discard India. We must be very weary of such people.
India is called pUnyA bhUmI, the land where one’s karmA can be worked out and progress spiritually. India is the spiritual epicenter of the world. It is NOT a coincidence that so many hundreds of sages, rishis, and yOgIs were/are from India. The place is conducive to spiritual growth and learning. That is why any place outside India is called mleccha-deSa (land of barbarians).
In the ViSnU PurAnA, the land that is Bharat is described as the “crown that is the land of HimavAn (Himalayas) and the feet that are washed by ocean to the south (Kanyakumari)”. For thousands of years, India has been known as the land that was the subcontinent and of course included Afghanistan, Pakistan, Nepal, Bangladesh, and some eastern parts of modern day Iran.
We must not confuse the “modern map” of India with the India of the scriptures. By that note, many Pakistanis could claim the rishis of yore were “Pakistani” and not “Indian”.
Indeed, India and Hinduism cannot be separated. Every Hindu accepts India as the spiritual motherland. However, being born Indian does not make you Hindu by default. Likewise, being born non-Indian does not mean you cannot be Hindu.
Also, I agree with you that being “Indian” in the modern sense of the word is not a ‘requirement’ per se, but being predisposed towards introspection, contemplation, and compassion are. Those traits are readily found in eastern cultures and are hardly so in their western counterparts.
This is not true, introspection, contemplation and compassion can be found in the Western counterparts as well. These are not exclusive traits to the Indians. What you do not find in the West though is spirituality raised to the level of a science. The West had spirituality(gnosticism, sufism, wicca) but it never rose above mythology and mysticism, mainly because it was not allowed to by the Abrahamic orthodoxy. Hinduism is the only religion where spirituality has been developed to the level of a science.
Likewise, we Hindus, meaning Indian-Hindus, must be accepting of others but at the same time, know that India and Hinduism are inseparable and it is the Indian Hindus who will fight for both.
It’s Hindus who are fighting. One of the main bodies who are in the frontlines of the fight and publish a magazine on Hinduism, Hinduism today is by a monastic order of Western Hindus from the Shivaite order in Hawai. David Frawley is doing a lot for the Hindu cause.
Again Hinduism has nothing to do with Indian nationality. Yes, India and Hinduism are inseparable and this is why all Hindu regard India as the spiritual motherland. I am going to India myself to study Yoga authentically under the gurus. I am no less a Hindu than a Hindu born in India, even if I was born Sikh and in the UK. In fact in the UK people who were born Hindu come to me to learn about Hinduism.
[QUOTE=TatTvamAsi;61411]I agree with you there completely. I do tend to come across very rudely at times and I’m working on changing that but sometimes, emotion, and my ego, get the better of me!
Well, all I can say is I am immensely proud to be born as an Indian, a Hindu, and a Brahmin. It just pains me deeply to see some people, predominantly in the west, denigrate India, Indians, and Hinduism/Hindus. I must use this lifetime, a short time between birth and death, to learn more about myself and in the process more about Sanatana Dharma itself. Let us indeed build bridges and have mutual respect.[/QUOTE]
I greatly respect that you’re able to take that step back and observe yourself AND be publicly honest about what you see.
It’s quite understandable that you’re angry at the actions of the west. Hell, I’m a citizen of the USA and I’M furious about what we’re doing and have done. I can’t imagine being on the receiving end of it. Maybe the rest of the world needs to come together and say, “No more” to us. I personally don’t know the solution.
What I do know is that lashing out in anger, hatred, or frustration will change nobody’s mind in the west. It’ll only fuel our unconsciousness.
Can you PLEASE teach me [B]Magnetic Flux[/B]? I didn’t understand it when I was studying that topic by myself…[/QUOTE]
I am not a physics major, but I think you should learn the basics first before moving to advanced topics.
[QUOTE=The Scales;61394]Cause I’m going incognito aTm. Now I will be green. (changes it)
You see Fred I didn’t get ‘the message’ from the Op.
I got hate, bigotry, absolutes, and dissension. Which is pretty adharma if your asking me.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I have to agree with you.
There is some truth in what he says, Hindu related subjects are often taught by people who are not very familiar with Hinduism. I’d also like to see yoga teachers having more background knowledge of Hinduism.
But I don’t think it serves any purpose to start calling every non Indian a mleccha and asura.
[QUOTE=Sarvamaṅgalamaṅgalā;61434]I am not a physics major, but I think you should learn the basics first before moving to advanced topics.[/QUOTE]
I’ve already taken a college level Physics class; unfortunately, we did not get to Magnetism in time. That is why I went over the concept myself and am asking for help.
[QUOTE=David;61399]I thought it’d be funny to Google an Indian university and link to a class on Christianity being taught by an Indian.
Alas, I couldn’t find one.
Touche’
You all sure do like your engineering, science, and law classes though.[/QUOTE]
David, although you may not have found anything on your search I would bet my wife’s left pinky toe that there are many Indian professors teaching Christianity in universities in India. I grew up in Trinidad where Hindu is a predominant religion and culture and have first hand experience with this.
What I find distasteful, and what seems to be the kernel of contention, is the outrage and bitter feelings directed at the west for adopting what we find a beautiful part of Indian culture. For someone who professes to know and practice yoga to turn around and spit and hiss in the face of another for saying 'yes, this is a wonderful thing. May I partake?" seems counter to everything yogic, don’t you think?
I think you are failing to understand the mainpoint TTA is making, which is shared by all Hindus here: In Yoga and Hindu studies the Hindu voice is not represented, but rather it has been hijacked by non-Hindus. This has lead to a lot of misinformation being circulated about Hinduism. I will give an example
Hinduism records its Vedic civilisation as being 10,000 years old and its records record geneologies of kings going that far. It traces it origins to the Vedic risis, the enlightened sages who had the revelation of dharma in deep meditation and composed the Vedas - leading to the emergence of Vedic civilisation.
The non-Hindu version is: Hinduism is a combination of a 5000 year old culture of dark skinned Dravidians and 3000 years old culture of light skinned Aryans who came from Europe and conquered the dark skinned people. They were the Vedic people, but they were not enlightened sages, but savages who sacrificed humans and animals, worshipped violent gods and injested hallucinogens. They were also racist and imposed a caste system on the people.
Now, because Hindus are not represented in the academic field, there are no prizes for guessing which narrative gets taught in universities. It should also be not suprising by seeing the contrast how offensive this is to Hindus - effectively our most respected sages are being called savages and our 10,000 history is being flushed down the drain. It is what Frawley calls an obvious negation of Hindu civilisation. It is flagarant violence and racism.
Recently, many demeaning things have been written in the West about Hinduism from institutions like Harvard. Like Ramarkrishna was a pedophile and use to molest Vivekananda; The Gita is not a nice book and Krishna is deceitful and murderous man; the Hindu goddess is a goddess of war, evil and destruction.
This is why TTA is saying Yoga and Hinduism should not be taught by non-Hindus, but by Hindus so we get a fair and accurate representation. We cannot expect non-Hindus to give us a fair representation - and indeed we are not getting a fair representation. Effectively our religion is being demonized by mainly Christian scholars using an academic licence.
[QUOTE=FlexPenguin;61502]David, although you may not have found anything on your search I would bet my wife’s left pinky toe that there are many [U][B]Christian[/B][/U] Indian professors teaching Christianity in universities in India. I grew up in Trinidad where Hindu is a predominant religion and culture and have first hand experience with this.
What I find distasteful, and what seems to be the kernel of contention, is the outrage and bitter feelings directed at the west for adopting what we find a beautiful part of Indian culture. For someone who professes to know and practice yoga to turn around and spit and hiss in the face of another for saying 'yes, this is a wonderful thing. May I partake?" seems counter to everything yogic, don’t you think?[/QUOTE]
I fix’d that part of your post.
You would hardly find an Indian Hindu teaching about Christianity, unless if they have a degree in World Religions or something.
And you’re a filthy hypocrite.
[B][U]QUOTES BY FLEX PENGUIN ABOUT HINDUISM, INDIA, and INDIANS[/U][/B]
Face the facts: without western civilization and Christianity, India and the vast cultures if the world would still be wrangling on or near the stone age; living, fighting and dying under primitive tribalism.
This is a good start Surya. I’ll contact A R Rahman so he can compose an upbeat score. You and Friedrich practice your dance routines (who’s the stright guy?). Leave everything to me and I’ll have you guys prancing down the red carpet come Oscar season.
May have to change the old testament theme thing a bit. Violence is good, but can you find some sexy bits? Just try to resist casting any girls under 16. I’ve read about old Hindu men’s preference for marrying the young ones. Won’t go over well out here. Round up some lower caste filthy untouchable bastards to haul the equipment around on the cheap, and we’re set.
Are child brides still condemned by Hindu law to be outcasts because they are widows? That’s not very yogic.
Here’s the synopsis:
The Hero: Surya Deva, he’s a rich boy, a spoiled brat. His mother has died and his mean father has remarried a Chritian woman. Surya often sees his mother in his dreams where she begs him to find a nice girl and settle down. When we first meet our hero he’s surrounded by scantily clad girls prancing around him in their vast garden, while white and lilac petals fall from the sky. They sing:
Surya
Surya
Surya Deva
Āpa kē li’ē hamārā pyāra pīlē bukhāra kī taraha jalatā hai.
(Our love for you
Burns like yellow fever!)
Our hero has charms to distract the girls while dancing - singing of his dream girl.
She comes to me
Like biscuit from the cupboard
So dry at first
But dunked in milk
So white to see
The Heroine: Fraulein Freidrich (funny name for a hindu girl, but we can make it work). She is the epitome of today’s generation. Fraulein Freidrich is poor outcast from a small village, but her jewelry is designed by Tanishq. Our heroine is having a bath in the local canal when our hero sees her. Their eyes meet, heartbeats stop, music happens, everyone around them begins the choreographed dancing rountine, the camera pans a wide panoramic shot of the scene, and love is in the air!
Fraulein Freidrich sings the main theme tune:
Surya
Surya
Surya Deva
My love for you
Lifts me up like a lever!
The Villain: (TBA) Surya’s father and his Christian wife, always spying on them from behind the doors or the trees. They sing as well:
Surya
Surya
Surya Deva
If you marry her
We will carve you with a cleaver!
Meanwhile, one lonely night our hero is alone, looking out into the Ganges, when his ghostly mother appears to him:
Surya
Surya
Surya Deva
Fraulein Freidrich is too brown
Why don’t you leave her?
SD:
Mām̐, maiṁ apanā dūdha liyā hai,
lēkina ēka chōṭī sī mēka’apa
Fraulein Freidrich pārita kara sakatē haiṁ wih.
(Mother, I’ve had your milk, but wih a little makeup Fraulein Freidrich can pass.)
This goes on for a couple of hours, then our villains kidnap Fraulein Freidrich and take her to a palace that has a pool filled with pink acid. Much singing and dancing there. But, our hero’s best friend urges Surya Deva to rescue the Fraulein.
Surya
Surya
Surya Deva
If you let this happen
You will surely bereave her!
So, off they prance - the scantliy clad girls in tow - to rescue the Fraulein Freidrich from the clutches of the evil father and Christian stepmother. When the arrive, a great fight ensues with a cast of thousands. Carefully choreographed, the villains and heroes battle for another hour or so. Finally, Surya Deva rescues his Fraulein Freidrich, but as they sing to each other, they realize they cannot remain on Earth together, so they decide to jump into the pool of pink acid. As they sink, to their knees, then their waist, then their shoulders, the camera zooms into a close up and our lovers kiss passionately. The fighting stops and sun is blacked out by a swarm of parrots, their droppings falling on the villains.
But wait! It’s not over! Our lovers emerge in heaven, hand in hand (the scantily clad girls are there to meet them) and they are shown to a table full of great food by our hero’s mother. At the table are many guests, including Siva, Jesus, Allah, and the prophet MHd (have to careful there. Don’t want to make the same mistake as the Danes). Everyone is happy to see them, and the final song echoes with Rahman’s signature beat, while white and lilac petals fall from the sky.
Surya
Surya
Surya Deva
Now you have the chance
To show her your pecker!
(note: the preceding is a parody. Any resemblance to any person or culture, living or dead, is purely coincidental. Your humble narrator’s personal views are not in any way reflected here )
As for the other selected quote: subjugating large populations of your own culture and entrenching that in your religion is exactly the same as any inquisition, crusade or witch burning. In fact, it’s worse - it’s damned cowardly. Better, I suppose, to pick on the weakest members of your society. To place those of ‘darker’ skin tone below you and brand them as untouchable to be scorned and abused. To kill your female babies because they do not conform to master’s wishes and be male. To marry off your child brides because they are to powerless to say no.
This illustrates the weakness of the society. They didn’t go outside their own borders because they were afraid to. Had they faced the barbarian christians they would have had the shit kicked out of them sincerely, which eventually happened when the British sauntered in easily. And the barbarians would not have only focused on the weak. They would have taken aim squarely at the strong (that’s not saying much, if their behaviour is any judge), knocked them down a few pegs, and laid them on the doorsteps of the very castes they shat on (who would most probably have taken care of them).
[B][U]Conversation between SD and Idiot Penguin[/U][/B]
Another strawman. Read up on Indian history and it will become clear they went well beyond their borders. Here is a pointer: Read up on the Sri Vijaya empire to begin with. As for having the shit kicked out of them? Read on Alexandra’s attempted invasion of India and how he ran away when faced with the superior Indian army, not only that, he gave up his previously captured territory to India. The British invasion of India was no cake walk either, they had to fight wars with powerful Indian kings, and even lost some wars.
Yeah. Right. Lol
[B][U]More interesting tidbits about Indian culture from Flex Penguin:[/U][/B]
“I agree with you. India is a very backward and unenlightened society that subjugates her women and restricts their rights as given to men. Hopefully the new media will awaken and enlighten the people and they will demand freedom from male-dominated, antiquated doctrine. Fingers crossed.”
"Total and utter dribble. India was very proficient at abusing her citizens long before Hannibal came traipsing over the horizon. In fact, I would venture to bet that India taught the West all they know about citizen abuse (and I know you know what I’m talking about).
What I don’t understand is why ignorant Westerners like this guy would adopt something from a culture they consider inferior and demonic.
Thanks for reminding me Neitzsche. I had almost completely forgotten Flexpenguin had said those things.
Q, Flexpenguin, Yulaw and Indra Deva are basically peas of the same pod. The usual suspects who say very offensive and racist things. Then pretend they are innocent and it is us evil Hindus who are provoking them.
This really is a clash of civilisation. This is nothing short from an all out verbal war. The fact is there is a section of the Western population today who are extremely racist and Q et al are a manifestation of this. Do you remember the recent race scandal in the UK with Shilpa Shetty and Jade Goody? Hinduphobia is the new anti semiticism.
[QUOTE=Surya Deva;61510]Thanks for reminding me Neitzsche. I had almost completely forgotten Flexpenguin had said those things.
Q, Flexpenguin, Yulaw and Indra Deva are basically peas of the same pod. The usual suspects who say very offensive and racist things. Then pretend they are innocent and it is us evil Hindus who are provoking them.
This really is a clash of civilisation. This is nothing short from an all out verbal war. The fact is there is a section of the Western population today who are extremely racist and Q et al are a manifestation of this. Do you remember the recent race scandal in the UK with Shilpa Shetty and Jade Goody? Hinduphobia is the new anti semiticism.[/QUOTE]
You sure as hell can bet that I remember that.
Every day, I would observe how pissed off my parents were from watching that show (I never liked the show so I refused to watch it with them).
Here were the racist comments:
“I’ve seen how she goes in and out of people’s arseholes”
“makes my skin crawl” (in reference to Shetty)
“Shilpa Fuckawalla” and “Shilpa Poppadom”.
“She is Indian, thinking of an Indian name and only thing I could think of was Indian food. Wasn’t racial at all. It was not to offend any Indian out there.” (What the fuck?).
Jackiey Budden, repeatedly referred to Shetty as ‘the Indian.’
Goody’s boyfriend Jack Tweed called Shetty an expletive, with the bleeped-out expletive variously reported as “cunt”[9] and “Paki”[10] who should remove objects from the toilet with her teeth.
On one occasion, the two women mocked Shetty’s accent,[8] and on another occasion Lloyd referred to Shetty as a “dog”.[11] After believing Shilpa had undercooked a chicken, O’Meara generalised that all Indians were thin because they were “sick all the time” as a result of undercooking their food.[8]
Lloyd commented on Shetty applying facial hair bleaching cream, saying, “she’s trying to make her face look white” while O’Meara mocked Shetty’s accent, saying, “Ooh I got a hairy face.”
In another verbal attack, Lloyd said “do you get stubble?”.[12] Jade, Danielle and Jo repeatedly stated, to each other and the other housemates, that they felt Shilpa was a ‘fake’ and a ‘loser’.[13]
After an argument between Shetty and Goody, witnessed by a giggling O’Meara and Lloyd, Lloyd said she thought Shetty should “fuck off home”. After a similar comment by Goody, Lloyd laughed and approved saying, “That was fucking fantastic, I loved it” before repeating “I think she should fuck off home.”
She also said Shilpa “can’t even speak English properly anyway”. She also mentioned that she didn’t like Shetty touching her food because “you don’t know where her hands have been”.
Later Lloyd said to Shetty, “I feel really bad, I feel disgusted with myself the way I’ve treated you and the way I’ve acted, because I’m not like that, Shilpa, really, . . . And you can even cook me curry and you can pick the onions out with your fingers”.
After Goody apologised to Shetty for her behaviour, Tweed stated that he was very disappointed with Goody for apologising, and called Shetty a “dick” after previously describing her as a “wanker”.
I love how she got cervical cancer shortly after this incident and died. Good riddance.
As they say, Karma’s/payback’s a bitch.
Considering instances like this, I find it unbelievable our gurus even attempted to civilize this part of the world.
Furthermore, if FP was truly the wise and spiritual guy he proclaims himself to be, he would at least have had the courtesy of apologizing and explaining himself to us. He has not done so, not even after several months.
In that regard, he is worse than Jane Goody and lacks absolutely any morality, ethics, or humanity, just like the racist scum our forefathers had the “foresight” to impart our traditions to.
I think the reason westerners also “steal” Yoga, besides the complete lack of a sense of tradition, is because western philosophical and religious lines are extremely poor in these regards. The east is a completely rich terrain of philosophies and religious systems.
It seems people get interested in some kind of a purely aesthetical revolution in their lifes (instead of a true ethical one): Practicing yoga (solely physical) as a way to become more spiritual, instead of just accepting the practice as a whole.
I remember my siksha guru narrating when he was at a temple in India and a few young devotees dressing in cool hip clothes were in the temple and he was a little let down by their westernization, however, when the altar curtains opened he realized that inside their natural inclination to spirituality was intact and higher than the western one.
India has 31% of its population vegetarian. Its culture is almost entirely focused on spirituality. So it’s safe to conclude that India is at the seat of authority when it comes to Yoga and the whole spectrum of spiritual life and philosophy.
So many scientific minds here… I’m feeling extremely irrational amidst you guys.
PS: Nietzsche, you’re euphoric dude, take a break from forums, go read some physics books. :lol:
And I got the joke of your sig even though I cheated in every math and physics exam in the last three years of high school! But it was just last week that I completely forgot how to properly make a rule of three, I’m such a math fail! :lol:
I think the reason westerners also “steal” Yoga, besides the complete lack of a sense of tradition, is because western philosophical and religious lines are extremely poor in these regards. The east is a completely rich terrain of philosophies and religious systems.
It seems people get interested in some kind of a purely aesthetical revolution in their lifes (instead of a true ethical one): Practicing yoga (solely physical) as a way to become more spiritual, instead of just accepting the practice as a whole.
I remember my siksha guru narrating when he was at a temple in India and a few young devotees dressing in cool hip clothes were in the temple and he was a little let down by their westernization, however, when the altar curtains opened he realized that inside their natural inclination to spirituality was intact and higher than the western one.
India has 31% of its population vegetarian. Its culture is almost entirely focused on spirituality. So it’s safe to conclude that India is at the seat of authority when it comes to Yoga and the whole spectrum of spiritual life and philosophy.
So many scientific minds here… I’m feeling extremely irrational amidst you guys.
PS: Nietzsche, you’re euphoric dude, take a break from forums, go read some physics books. :lol:
And I got the joke of your sig even though I cheated in every math and physics exam in the last three years of high school! But it was just last week that I completely forgot how to properly make a rule of three, I’m such a math fail! :lol:[/QUOTE]
LOL! Yeah, I love this sig.
I have a bunch of Physics books I’ve stacked up over the months. Summer’s almost around the corner, so that will give me some time to read them all.
Your quoting exceptions and as I stated earlier, they do NOT form the rule. Furthermore, these “Hindus” are Hindu in name. They will never be allowed to be priests of any real Hindu temple.
Please show me ONE self-realized person who is not Indian-Hindu with the exception of Lao Tze over the past 3000 years. You think it’s a coincidence that all the great rishis and mahants of Sanatana Dharma were from India? Many of them came from “lower” castes but they were nonetheless from Bharata.
There can be Hindus from outside who are free to learn about Hinduism. None has the adhIkArA to teach or engage in scriptural exegesis. That would be transgressing their svAdharmA and thus causing conflict with the higher order of things.
These “Hindus”, as you call them, what is their svAdharmA? What is their varnA? What gOtrA are they? Thor? Or was it Valhalla?
It is highly dubious to call these people “Hindu”. Erwin Schrodinger read the Upanishads, as did Heisenberg et al, and came to the conclusion that Vedanta very closely parallels QM and modern cosmology. Their acknowledgement of the parallels does in no way make them “Hindu”. Schopenhauer was a philosopher that saw the lofty principles of Vedanta and the garbage that are the Abrahamic religions and called them as they are. How does that make him “Hindu”? Same goes for the other examples you’ve quoted.
People being positive about Hinduism does not make them “Hindu” just as some westerner who has read the Gita and some (mis)translations of the Vedas does not make him/her an “expert” on VaidIka Dharma or even the Vedas. I’ve heard some Indians say, after seeing some westerners at ASrams in India, that they are “saint-like”. LOL… These people will think that some guy wearing a saffron-robe is a “swami” and is a Brahmin just because he has traveled to India.
Well, technically correct but in reality, no. There are very few exceptions like the Saiva Siddhanta swami in Hawaii who has dedicated his entire life to Hindu Dharma. They are truly Hindu and more so than the average Indian Hindu. However, don’t confuse someone like that with the average schmuck who reads Amar Chitra Katha and teaches a class on Hinduism at “Harvard”.
That is a very myopic picture of what a Hindu is. There is so much more to being a Hindu than what you have described here. Indian culture is Hinduism in practice. There are some aspects that are of course associated with specific places and time periods but the overwhelming evidence of Indian culture that has sustained in the subcontinent for the past several thousand years is Hindu Dharma in action. There can be many Hindus who know next to nothing about the Vedas but LIVE its principles. That is the fundamental difference.
Never said that and I agree with you that Hinduism is indeed universal. However, what Hinduism is, its history, its practices, its traditions can ONLY be defined by Bharata Dharma. Otherwise, we can have Italians converting to Hinduism and doing pUjas with pasta and SrArdham with lasagna. Tomato sauce anyone? “SVAHA” :eek:
[QUOTE=Surya Deva;61422]Hinduism is santana dharma it is universal. I have no doubt in my mind that civilisations on other planets are also practicing it. This is because Hinduism is nothing more than spirituality raised to the level of a science. This is in short what Vedic dharma is all about:
Know the fundamental and absolute reality that is underlying all by delving into your being
Gain control of your senses and mind and enlighten your intellect
Enoble yourself and enoble others by serving the world selflessly and doing good deeds - think nobe thoughts, speak noble things and do noble things
Live in harmony with dharma
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Again, I agree with your assessment there but the embodiment of those principles are primarily found in Indians and Indian Hindus. That is why Indian Christians and Indian Muslims are the best Christians and Muslims in the world; they are heavily influenced, albeit subliminally, by Hindu culture. Some extremists are of course there, but they are not in the majority.
I strongly feel, and am convinced by experience and interaction with various cultures and peoples, that India is a place that is conducive to spiritual growth. To be born there is a great boon and opportunity for the jIvA to progress to its goal (home - aham ;)). People from other parts of the world simply are not spiritually developed enough to embrace Hindu Dharma. That is why the desert cults are flourishing there. If not those, then crap like communism and rampant materialism.
There are always exceptions and to those people who are truly sincere in their pursuit of sat (truth), they eventually find their way to Bharata (India) and we should welcome them with open arms. Yet, many of these disillusioned people are quacks and finicky and come to gouge themselves spiritually and once their appetite is filled, they throw the host away and go on to feed on others and other cultures. Those kind of people, we must reject. The hard part is distinguishing the two!
Well, that is somewhat debatable in the sense that being born in a country that is steeped in Hindu Dharma will have an influence on the individual. Nobody is impervious to their surroundings and Indian non-Hindus are no exception. I personally believe lineage is very important in Hinduism but have been excoriated for that many times online and offline (by my parents even!). I am also sick and tired of the hacks and so I guess I’m overly cautious of foreigners who say, “I love the dhaaarmaaa and the caaarmaaa!” Vasanas I guess! lol…
You are conflating cultural traits with intellectual capacity of the individual. Indians, that is Hindus, have never been the cause of any genocide. That is an irrefutable fact. The west cannot hold a candle-light to India’s civilization in the real sense of the word. Being civilized alludes to selflessness and self-abnegation. The western categorical framework is dependent upon the individual (ego-mind/body-mind complex); which is ultimately a falsity or impermanent state of experience according to Hindu Dharma. The two cannot be reconciled.
Those three examples (gnosticism, sufism, and wicca) you gave are all heavily influenced by Eastern thought. It was not developed within the framework of the abrahamic cults; that is why they are still considered “fringe” by their ‘parent’ faiths.
Yes, to the Hindus in Hawaii and the likes of Frawley and Knapp, they are doing great work. They are also exceptions as I said.
[QUOTE=Surya Deva;61422]Again Hinduism has nothing to do with Indian nationality. Yes, India and Hinduism are inseparable and this is why all Hindu regard India as the spiritual motherland. I am going to India myself to study Yoga authentically under the gurus. I am no less a Hindu than a Hindu born in India, even if I was born Sikh and in the UK. In fact in the UK people who were born Hindu come to me to learn about Hinduism.[/QUOTE]
It is great that you have done so much research of Hindu Dharma and converted to it from Sikhism but you have to realize that when it comes to adhIkArA, you do not have it. You cannot become a priest or a ShankarAcharyA at any Mutt. That is because you do not have the right lineage. Thus, there are many Hindus who are “more” Hindu than you. As a practicing Hindu, you might say, “I don’t care about that” and that is fine. However, you cannot make that claim as universal and applicable to everyone.
In conclusion, I agree that anyone can become Hindu in mindset to a certain degree. Those who are born in India and are Hindus are much more spiritually developed than others. Birth is not accidental; you should know that if you understand Karma.
And to add, after reading your posts, you are doing a great thing for Hindus and Hindu Dharma. You are most definitely Hindu but I am stating what I have learnt after reading about various principles in Hindu Dharma.
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What I find distasteful, and what seems to be the kernel of contention, is the outrage and bitter feelings directed at the west for adopting what we find a beautiful part of Indian culture. For someone who professes to know and practice yoga to turn around and spit and hiss in the face of another for saying 'yes, this is a wonderful thing. May I partake?" seems counter to everything yogic, don’t you think?[/QUOTE]
Westerners are experts at coming up with euphemisms. Invaders who murdered, raped, and committed genocide against Native Americans are called “settlers”. Those who steal, denigrate, and spit on spiritual treasure that is Hinduism are called “partakers” is it?
That is what we are against. If you care to be a real STUDENT/DISCIPLE, respectful, reverential, and cultured towards that which you are partaking from, then you are welcome. Otherwise, GTFO.
[QUOTE=Nietzsche;61417]OMG HAKZORZ, I LOVE RUSSEL PETERS!
Have you seen the one about him going into a Chinese-run mall and trying to buy a bag?
AND DUUUUDE!!! YOU’RE A PHYSICS MAJOR!?!?!?!?!?
Can you PLEASE teach me [B]Magnetic Flux[/B]? I didn’t understand it when I was studying that topic by myself…[/QUOTE]
LOL… Nietzsche, I finished my degree 6 years ago. All I remember is that flux is the movement from one medium/area/surface to another. My favorite upper div physics classes were of course QM, Analytical Mechanics, and Mathematical Physics… I HATED E&M… Jackson… oh Iswara… don’t remind me…
I’m a businessman now. much easier to do arithmetic than Dirac notation and relativistic QM. hhahahahhahha
