Yoga and Quantum Mechanics

Now you can either accept or reject what I state, but like I said the truth does not depend upon whether you believe it or not. It depends on evidence. I do not have a shallow understanding of QM as my very detailed overview of QM theories, major experiments and conceptual analysis above should display. If I had a shallow understanding I would not have been awarded with a distinction for my dissertation in this area. In fact my understanding of both QM and Eastern metaphysics is exceptional by most standards. Very few have an understanding as comprehensive and detailed as mine.

Now I want to move onto the points that modern physics does not have an understanding of that Eastern metaphysics describes in great detail(mostly Vedic) and that beyond the etheric or ZPE field there are yet even more layers, that the famous modern philosopher of metaphysics and consciousness Ken Wilber, calls the A-field, T-field and the C-Field, meaning astral-field, thought-field and causal field. The Eastern metaphysicians talk about various levels of the field. (Ken Wilbers understanding is exceptional, everybody should read what he has to say) In Eastern terminology this is the gross/physical, subtle and causal plane. It is also known as the coverings of physical, etheric, mental, causal and spiritual. This in turn correspond to various states of consciousness at which these fields become visible.

Classical physics deals with the P-field(physical field) limited to the 4 general atomic elements(atoms, electrons and quarks, photons and forces). Quantum mechanics deals with the 5th non-atomic element of the ZPE field . This is the etheric field in Eastern terminology. However, this is where modern science stops. It has little to no understanding of astral, mental, causal and spiritual. But seeing as Eastern metaphysics has got everything right up to the level of modern science, it is not much of a leap to state that it must be right about the rest as well.

Now we are just in the infacy of exploring the new domain of the ether. In this area Yoga in particular has done massive amounts of research particular in mapping out the etheric body. It has mapped out the various quantum circuits in our body which are 72,000 and isolated three major circuits known as Ida, Pingala and Sushmana. It through these quantum circuits that prana travels, where many of these circuits intersect form plexus points which forms chakras(major self-regulating energy circuits) There are 5 major types of prana that are flowing through the body which regulate different functions(breathing, digestion, excretion etc) As we know the zero point energy is teeming with energy in Yoga this energy corresponds to the location at the base of the spine as a potential known as Kundalini. It is possible to attract more and more pranic energy from the zero point energy field this awakens the Kundalini. Recall, the potential energy within the ZPE field is infinite.

In order to channel the pranic energy existing within the akasha the Yogis have devised physical techniques known as asanas and pranayama which are designed to create more harmonic quantum circuits in the body which serve the function of attracting more pranic energy thus energizing the chakras.

This is obviously a science well in advance of modern physics. But is there any kind of supplemantary evidence that backs it up in modern science? Well, modern science is largely focussed on the physical so they can only see the physical manifestations of the chakras, nadis and prana. However, surely enough the endrocine system and the major plexus points in the body where nerves intersect do indeed correspond quite neatly to the Chakras(as Citymonk shows in the diagram) The hormones secreted by the various glands do indeed serve the vital functions the Chakras are said to govern. The nervous system does indeed correspond to the complex network of Nadis Yoga describes. Recently, the the Yogic claim of the major left and right channels which correspond to left and right nostrils do indeed exist and we can even measure the changes of left and right breathing cycles throughout the day. Just as Yoga claims. The Yogic practices of Nadi Shodana(alternative nostril breathing) has indeed been found to affect these cycles and produce beneficial results.

Finally, it is hardly a mystery that it has been found that Yogic techniques like meditation, pranayama and meditation produces significant and measurable physiological and psychological changes. The various states of consciousness Yoga and Vedic metaphysics stipulates have been succesfully mapped out and correlated to the brain state changes and brain wave changes in Neurophenomenology. In pure phenomenological studies the scientist and engineer Robert Monroe has validated the existence of the etheric and astral body.

Thus there is absolutely no doubt about it that modern physics and science backs up eveything Eastern/Yogic/Vedic metaphysics teaches. It is a very happy marriage. There is also no doubt that Eastern metaphysics is far more advanced than modern science and physics. Possibly by millenias. How is this possible? The answer is obvious we are not the first “advanced” scientific civilisation on this planet.

God blimey! I wish I had time to read all that!

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I know, I should really write a book and stop wasting my time writing on forums. However, I have told myself I will not do anything wordly, until it is time. My first mission is to go to India and begin a serious and intense spiritual practice. Then I will not only have theory and science, but direct experience.

In any case you should understand I have a very thorough scientific view of the world and I have been able to reconcile my atheistic and scientific temperment with spirituality comprehensivly to form a consistent and complete scientific worldview. There is nothing left for me to learn in philosophy or science. I am ready to leave this behind to proceed with what really matters: direct experience.

[QUOTE=Surya Deva;37749]There is nothing left for me to learn in philosophy or science.[/QUOTE]

Don’t you like philosophy os science anymore? Obviously no one can learn everything. There are people who dedicate their lives to parts of science, for example Stephen Hawking might know as much as one can in regards to Theoretical Physics, but he wouldn’t know even half as much as Richard Dawkins does about Darwinian Evolution, and vice versa.

I love philosophy and science, but it is an attachment that I am weaning away now. The finger pointing at the moon is not the moon. All that philosophy and science has taught me has indicated something that can be directly realsied. The subjective translation of this is pure knowledge, mind and bliss. That I call the divine. Spirituality is the highest realization of philosophy and science. I am not really a spiritual person right now, because I am an intellectual. I am all in the head. I intend to be a spiritual person.

I will not claim to know all the specifics about science and philosophy. Like I said I admit I do not have technical understanding of physics. However, this is particular knowledge and it is relative and transient, and of little value to me. It is the general knowledge that is more important and as I understand the general so well, there is little more in philosophy and science of value for me to learn. Philosophy and science has served its function by indicating the divine. Now the real journey of a thousand miles is about to begin :slight_smile:

[QUOTE=Surya Deva;37758]I love philosophy and science, but it is an attachment that I am weaning away now. The finger pointing at the moon is not the moon. All that philosophy and science has taught me has indicated something that can be directly realsied. The subjective translation of this is pure knowledge, mind and bliss. That I call the divine. Spirituality is the highest realization of philosophy and science. I am not really a spiritual person right now, because I am an intellectual. I am all in the head. I intend to be a spiritual person.

I will not claim to know all the specifics about science and philosophy. Like I said I admit I do not have technical understanding of physics. However, this is particular knowledge and it is relative and transient, and of little value to me. It is the general knowledge that is more important and as I understand the general so well, there is little more in philosophy and science of value for me to learn. Philosophy and science has served its function by indicating the divine. Now the real journey of a thousand miles is about to begin :)[/QUOTE]

That’s quite a unique approach. I’m not sure I understand what it means. It sounds quite poetic. I personally love the intellectual, all in the head approach. But that’s just me. But good luck with your approach none the less.

I’ve created this thread from the tangent in the overactive chakras thread. Nobody did anything wrong, this just lets each thread focus a little more on their specific topic. Thanks :slight_smile:

Good call David. In fact it would be great to have a thread purely on Yoga and QM, as they are very closely related. Yoga could even be seen as the application of QM.

WTF!! This thread says I started it, and has my arguments from another thread shoved in it. This is discussing. It’s like a fake documentary where they edit your interviews. I DID NOT START THIS THREAD. It’s dishonest and I want nothing to do with it… Ok I guess it’s not that bad. But I still did not start it!

I try not to get into reading things about Quantum Mechanics these days, I did at one time delve very deeply into it and things get strange with my thought processes as I got obsessed with the topic.

I got to a point while reading about things Buddhist where Quantum Mechanics I saw similarities and it started to make since and I?m happy to leave it there.

[QUOTE=YogiAdam;37747]God blimey! I wish I had time to read all that![/QUOTE]

Actually it is not that difficult. You can find clear explanation here:

http://www.hinduism.co.za/hinduism.htm#staggering

Re the transmission of information, it can be done through tunnel effects, caused by wormholes. I posted about that before, on another forum.

[QUOTE=Surya Deva;37682]That is what has been proven in Quantum mechanics. However, like I said this is not the conscious observer, but a transcendental observer. As things do continue to exist whether we remain conscious of them or not, we are not the observer indicated by the findings in QM.[/QUOTE]

Ok so who is the observer in your interpretation?

[QUOTE=Bewithyou;38168]Thanks for sharing this. It is also helpful for me.[/QUOTE]

Why did you repsond to a whole bunch of posts with the exact smae response?

Probably it is quite difficult to understand quantum mechanics if you do not know even
Schrodinger’s equation.

Awesome reading that stuff Surya Deva posted! I so need to learn more about the chakras and eastern metaphysics it’s not funny. my back and neck cracks and pops constantly.

The direct experience must involve feeling of love I would imagine, I believe love is the divine, ether or prana. It’s nothing special, you feel it all the time, sometimes more than others.

Now let me get back to the practice of trying to observing who is observing me. :stuck_out_tongue: