Yoga and Quantum Mechanics

[QUOTE=Surya Deva;37664]Namaste,

Chakras are simply pranic plexus points in the pranic body and regulate themselves. To understand what they are from a scientific point of view, they are quantum circuits.

Anybody who is truly rational knows that we are more than a physical body. Any scientist worthy of the title will tell you that the physical body is not really physical, it is vibrations of energy. The quantum physicist will go further and tell you that the body is actually a single node in an interconnected web across all of space-time(i.e., it is a wave function) The metaphysician will go even further and tell you the body is a mental thought form.[/QUOTE]

I personally really can’t except that explanation. Quantum Physics is extraordinarily complex to the point that the leaders in the field claim that it can’t fully be understood. The common quote used is ‘if you think you understand quantum physics, you don’t understand quantum physics’. I have seen it adopted over and over again by various religions as evidence for supernatural phenomena or phenomena that can’t be explained through reason and logic. I’m not saying your incorrect, I just need a non-quantum physics answer. I just feel quantum physics makes too easy to start blurring the line between fantasy an reality. Trust me, I’ve seen EVERYTHING from miracles to God himself explained via Quantum physics. Id be happy to except evidence from a more tangible, accessible source.

[QUOTE=YogiAdam;37674]I personally really can’t except that explanation. Quantum Physics is extraordinarily complex to the point that the leaders in the field claim that it can’t fully be understood. The common quote used is ‘if you think you understand quantum physics, you don’t understand quantum physics’. I have seen it adopted over and over again by various religions as evidence for supernatural phenomena or phenomena that can’t be explained through reason and logic. I’m not saying your incorrect, I just need a non-quantum physics answer. I just feel quantum physics makes too easy to start blurring the line between fantasy an reality. Trust me, I’ve seen EVERYTHING from miracles to God himself explained via Quantum physics. Id be happy to except evidence from a more tangible, accessible source.[/QUOTE]

It is a difficult field to understand, mainly because of how complex the mathematics is. I do not concern myself with the mathematics of it, because I am a philosopher, so I am interested in the theory of it. This is not very difficult to understand.

It is known in quantum physics that an electron behaves either as a particle or as a wave, and whether one detects it as particle or a wave depends on how you measure. In the double slit experiment an electron is fired through a double slit and it becomes a wave. Then, if you attempt to detect the wave as it is coming out of the double slit, it becomes a particle again.

The best explanation for this is the observer themselves collapses the wavefunction. That matter does not exist unless there is an observer to observe it. This is also the most controversial explanation, because it is idealist(mind creates reality) The materialist scientists could never accept this so they posited that there must be hidden variables that cause the electron to self-collapse(no observer needed) In order to test this several experiments have been devised such as by John Bell, known as the test of the Bell inequalities which tests for two materialist assumptions: separability and reality. If the bell inequalities is violated then either assumption or both assumptions could be true. The test was first done by Alain aspect and the bell inequalities was violated. This means that that either separability is false or reality is false or both. Later, a new test was devised to test for reality and once again the inequality is violated. This means that reality is false.

The result is that it stands proven that the idealist explanation is true and the observer really does not create reality. If there is no observer, then there is no reality. However, this does not literally mean that anybodies conscious mind is creating reality, for reality still exists if you are not conscious of it, but rather there is an observer we are all unconscious of that creates reality. This is what in Yogic terminology would be called Atman/Higher self.

As for another dimension existing called “quantum” This is also now proven with the casimir effect. It has been found that beyond empty space there is an infinite energy field known as the zero-point-energy field. In Yogic terminology this is known as akasha/ether. It from this infinite energy field that all things emanate and materialise from. It is now also proven that quantum forces can be channeled from this zero-point-energy field. These quantum forces parallel the description of pranic forces which are said to exist in akasha/ether. (There are 5 types of pranic forces discussed in the Yoga texts) Similarly, they are channeled.

At this stage in QM all we know that this zero point energy field exists but we have no idea how it works and how it it structured. However, as it is identical in description to the Yogic akasha, from Yoga we understand it is structured by a series of interconnected quantum circuits, which are known as Nadis via which pranic forces travel. When many of these quantum circuits intersect they form quantum plexus points which in Yoga are known as Chakras. These plexus points materialise physically as our major organs.

Anyway this is the scientific explanation for the chakras.

[QUOTE=Surya Deva;37678]It is a difficult field to understand, mainly because of how complex the mathematics is. I do not concern myself with the mathematics of it, because I am a philosopher, so I am interested in the theory of it. This is not very difficult to understand.

It is known in quantum physics that an electron behaves either as a particle or as a wave, and whether one detects it as particle or a wave depends on how you measure. In the double slit experiment an electron is fired through a double slit and it becomes a wave. Then, if you attempt to detect the wave as it is coming out of the double slit, it becomes a particle again.

The best explanation for this is the observer themselves collapses the wavefunction. That matter does not exist unless there is an observer to observe it. This is also the most controversial explanation, because it is idealist(mind creates reality) The materialist scientists could never accept this so they posited that there must be hidden variables that cause the electron to self-collapse(no observer needed) In order to test this several experiments have been devised such as by John Bell, known as the test of the Bell inequalities which tests for two materialist assumptions: separability and reality. If the bell inequalities is violated then either assumption or both assumptions could be true. The test was first done by Alain aspect and the bell inequalities was violated. This means that that either separability is false or reality is false or both. Later, a new test was devised to test for reality and once again the inequality is violated. This means that reality is false.

The result is that it stands proven that the idealist explanation is true and the observer really does not create reality. If there is no observer, then there is no reality. However, this does not literally mean that anybodies conscious mind is creating reality, for reality still exists if you are not conscious of it, but rather there is an observer we are all unconscious of that creates reality. This is what in Yogic terminology would be called Atman/Higher self.

As for another dimension existing called “quantum” This is also now proven with the casimir effect. It has been found that beyond empty space there is an infinite energy field known as the zero-point-energy field. In Yogic terminology this is known as akasha/ether. It from this infinite energy field that all things emanate and materialise from. It is now also proven that quantum forces can be channeled from this zero-point-energy field. These quantum forces parallel the description of pranic forces which are said to exist in akasha/ether. (There are 5 types of pranic forces discussed in the Yoga texts) Similarly, they are channeled.

At this stage in QM all we know that this zero point energy field exists but we have no idea how it works and how it it structured. However, as it is identical in description to the Yogic akasha, from Yoga we understand it is structured by a series of interconnected quantum circuits, which are known as Nadis via which pranic forces travel. When many of these quantum circuits intersect they form quantum plexus points which in Yoga are known as Chakras. These plexus points materialise physically as our major organs.

Anyway this is the scientific explanation for the chakras.[/QUOTE]

Are you under the impression that things do not exist with an observer to observe them?

That is what has been proven in Quantum mechanics. However, like I said this is not the conscious observer, but a transcendental observer. As things do continue to exist whether we remain conscious of them or not, we are not the observer indicated by the findings in QM.

Ok so who is the observer in your interpretation?

The Atman/higher self of course. What we call unconscious mind is the part which receives sense data from the senses and then organizes and constructs them, before they become a content of our conscious mind(we are then conscious of it) Therefore there is a delay before we are aware of those impressions. This is reflected in current research in brain science which shows that the brain already knows what we are going to do before we do it. This is because the unconscious mind has already received the sense data, constructed it, processed it and judged it, feeding this information back to the brain and then finally it becomes a content of our knowledge.

The common mistake we make is to assume that the original sense impressions that we receive by the unconscious mind are identical to the sensory images we see with the conscious mind. However, we know from QM that is not true, because what we see to be objects separated out time and space are not actually what they really are, they are quantum waves emanating and materialising from the zero point energy field. We only see reality at the gross level of conscious mind, but we do not see it as the subtle or causal level. That very first interaction between the observer and the object we are not privy too.

This is what QM has found. So I guess we could say we actually have scientific proof now for the existence of the Atman/higher self. In addition to the existence of prana.

[QUOTE=Surya Deva;37685]The common mistake we make is to assume that the original sense impressions that we receive by the unconscious mind are identical to the sensory images we see with the conscious mind. However, we know from QM that is not true, because what we see to be objects separated out time and space are not actually what they really are, they are quantum waves emanating and materialising from the zero point energy field. We only see reality at the gross level of conscious mind, but we do not see it as the subtle or causal level. That very first interaction between the observer and the object we are not privy too.

This is what QM has found. So I guess we could say we actually have scientific proof now for the existence of the Atman/higher self. In addition to the existence of prana.[/QUOTE]

Well as I stated above, this is not evidence for me. I was after a non-quantum physics answer, in order to avoid blurring the line between fantasy and reality. I do think saying that QM has proved higher self and prana is an example of this ‘blurring the line’. EVERY religion does this. I know you take it as evidence, but I can make that leap of faith.

Where there is smoke there is fire. The reason QM is used as justification for many spiritual ideas is because QM does actually state this. In fact many of its pioneering quantum physicists state it.

Non-QM physics is physics which is today oudated and disproven. Today QM is the prevailing theory in physics. It is the most tested and most successful theory in physics today. Most of modern technology is based on QM. Most of the technology of the future will be based on QM.

I am afraid modern physics no longer supports materialism. In fact to maintain materialism today is an article of faith. Of course you are entitled to this faith. I do not do faith though myself.

[QUOTE=Surya Deva;37687]Where there is smoke there is fire. The reason QM is used as justification for many spiritual ideas is because QM does actually state this. In fact many of its pioneering quantum physicists state it.

Non-QM physics is physics which is today oudated and disproven. Today QM is the prevailing theory in physics. It is the most tested and most successful theory in physics today. Most of modern technology is based on QM. Most of the technology of the future will be based on QM.

I am afraid modern physics no longer supports materialism. In fact to maintain materialism today is an article of faith. Of course you are entitled to this faith. I do not do faith though myself.[/QUOTE]

No, I don’t buy it. Sounds like your picking out parts of science to support your ideas rather than let the science do the explaining. It’s OK, I’ll leave this question as unanswered.

I think your definition of “science” as you allude by specifically asking for a non-QM explanation is classical physics. Which I am afraid is dead today. It is becoming more and more like flat earth theory. A growing number of scientists are rejecting it.

Anyway there is a scientific explanation for prani/chakras etc. You can accept it or reject it. But science does not hinge on whether one accepts it or rejects it/believes, it hinges on whether it is true and backed up with evidence.

[QUOTE=Surya Deva;37690]Anyway there is a scientific explanation for prani/chakras etc. You can accept it or reject it. But science does not hinge on whether one accepts it or rejects it/believes, it hinges on whether it is true and backed up with evidence.[/QUOTE]

yes, I am aware of that. I just think you’ve manipulated science to suit your ideas. ALL religions do it. I’ll even go as far as to say that if I had not heard EVERY religion manipulate QM to suit their beliefs, I may be a little more convinced. It’s just very convenient how Christians, Muslims, and Hindus can prove their own religions with science. I suppose the QM evidence that Christians give to support their own religion is wrong, but your one happens to be right. I do think the fact that you somehow got from QM to prana is a load of lemons, and I KNOW that no reputable physicist would support that claim. That’s all. Nothing personal. I just have plenty of material, podcast lectures, DVDs and books on QM, and I have never once heard anyone claim they have evidence for Chakras.

There are several reputable physicists and scientists who back these up. It has proven the existence of akasha and prana(which are forces within akasha) This is an absolute fact and we are currently even channeling quantum forces and using quantum channels to transmit information. Several experiments have already been done on this.

I will concede, however, that chakras have not been proven by science. However, it is not a huge leap from prana to chakras. Chakras are simply pranic plexuses(quantum circuits)

The fact is modern physics and science backs up the metaphysics of Yoga. There are even conclusive scientific studies proving the existence of the astral body and reincarnation.

Like I said you are completely free to accept or reject this, but the validity of these studies do not hinge on whether you believe or not believe, but on the actual evidence.

[QUOTE=Surya Deva;37695]There are several reputable physicists and scientists who back these up. It has proven the existence of akasha and prana(which are forces within akasha) This is an absolute fact and we are currently even channeling quantum forces and using quantum channels to transmit information. Several experiments have already been done on this.

I will concede, however, that chakras have not been proven by science. However, it is not a huge leap from prana to chakras. Chakras are simply pranic plexuses(quantum circuits)

The fact is modern physics and science backs up the metaphysics of Yoga. There are even conclusive scientific studies proving the existence of the astral body and reincarnation.

Like I said you are completely free to accept or reject this, but the validity of these studies do not hinge on whether you believe or not believe, but on the actual evidence.[/QUOTE]

We’ll I do love all science very much. Could you please give me some names of these reputable scientist that support the idea that QM demonstrates the existence of Prana. I would like to look into these individuals and their claims, as I am genuinely very interested.

I am going to go and meditate now and then proceed with the rest of my day. I will give you some names when I get back. However, I will add now, that they do not necessarily say it is prana, as that is a Sanskrit word, but they are describing exactly the same thing. To give you a heads up look up casimir effect, zero point energy field/quantum vacuum, quantum teleportation and quantum levitation. These are identical descriptions of Akasha and prana, and the various ways prana is used.

[QUOTE=YogiAdam;37653]I do start my own threads. I just started one earlier on training with Kettlebells for example. The reason I participate in the other threads is firstly because I have the same rights to my opinion as everyone else, and also because I see a lot of irrational concepts, like chakras, levitation, prana, enlightenment, astrology, elves, unicorns, santa claus etc. I don’t expect to change anyones views, but I certainly encourage others to put some thought into what it is they believe and why. Truth is at the heart of my philosophy, and being concerned with truth, I dearly value things like evidence, rational thought, and logical analysis. When I post something I hope to get people thinking, and maybe even sow a little seed.
This particular thread is about ‘chakra balancing’. So I would like to know what evidence do we even have for chakras. What does balancing chakras mean and how do we know. Did someone tell us or is their clear evidence to support the idea of chakras. I would hate to think that people just automatically except the idea of chakras cause some book says we have them, or the guy at the crystals shop told me about them. I think it’s intellectually lazy, and dishonest to just believe something without evidence, rational thought and logical analysis… does that make sense?[/QUOTE]

Yes, that does make sense, thanks :slight_smile:

@ Surya Deva

It is a difficult field to understand, mainly because of how complex the mathematics is. I do not concern myself with the mathematics of it, because I am a philosopher, so I am interested in the theory of it. This is not very difficult to understand.

So how can you know and understand Quantum Physics if you only concern yourself with understanding only one aspect of it? To use your argument about Westerners not understanding the Sutras, you state that we are using wrong translations. That to understand the true meaning, we need to use and understand authentic Sanskrit translations and know the Sanskrit language. You tell us we have an incomplete understanding. Are you not guilty of the same thing when you only concern yourself with ‘part’ of Quantum Physics? Mathematics is a universal language that can be applied to just about everything. Spoken language is dependent on the culture from which it originated and is not considered universal. So, do you not have an incomplete understanding and knowledge of Quantum Physics?

Just curious.

[QUOTE=lotusgirl;37717]@ Surya Deva

So how can you know and understand Quantum Physics if you only concern yourself with understanding only one aspect of it? To use your argument about Westerners not understanding the Sutras, you state that we are using wrong translations. That to understand the true meaning, we need to use and understand authentic Sanskrit translations and know the Sanskrit language. You tell us we have an incomplete understanding. Are you not guilty of the same thing when you only concern yourself with ‘part’ of Quantum Physics? Mathematics is a universal language that can be applied to just about everything. Spoken language is dependent on the culture from which it originated and is not considered universal. So, do you not have an incomplete understanding and knowledge of Quantum Physics?

Just curious.[/QUOTE]

Yeah exactly. Mathematics is as certain as you can get. I certainly wouldn’t want to overlook it.
Either way, QM has been completely over simplified here. It’s been just used to support religion. I have yet to find a religion that doesn’t responds to a request for evidence, by turning around and saying ‘… well Quantum mechanics has discovered A, B, & C so therefore we have proof that God, Jesus and the holy spirit are all the same and that we are forgiven for our sins’.
The fact that QM is complex and mysterious, makes it a great tool for anyone attempting to ‘prove’ supernatural phenomena. You can easy take reality and fantasy and blur the line between the two. I just don’t except QM answers to metaphysical claims anymore. It’s on my instantly dismiss list.

[QUOTE=lotusgirl;37717]@ Surya Deva

So how can you know and understand Quantum Physics if you only concern yourself with understanding only one aspect of it? To use your argument about Westerners not understanding the Sutras, you state that we are using wrong translations. That to understand the true meaning, we need to use and understand authentic Sanskrit translations and know the Sanskrit language. You tell us we have an incomplete understanding. Are you not guilty of the same thing when you only concern yourself with ‘part’ of Quantum Physics? Mathematics is a universal language that can be applied to just about everything. Spoken language is dependent on the culture from which it originated and is not considered universal. So, do you not have an incomplete understanding and knowledge of Quantum Physics?

Just curious.[/QUOTE]

You do not have to understand the mathematical equations to understand the philosophy of quantum physics. There is a whole branch of philosophy known as “Philosophy of science” which I did my specialization in, where you are not required to be a physicist. The mathematical equations are for actually physicists who need them to calculate energy levels, positions of electrons, charge, spin ratio and specific calculations like this. On the other hand, the theory can be read and understood by just about anybody.

I am not a mathematician and never will be in this life time. My brain is simply not wired to deal with numbers. It is wired to deal with concepts and language. In which I have exceptional aptitude. I am not encroaching on the physicists terrain at all, and would dare not to. I can however, say a lot about the actual philosophy and theory of QM. In fact I did my BA dissertation on this area and was awarded with distinction.

Namaste Yogiadam,

The reason QM is used to support Eastern metaphysics is because QM has indeed made findings that support its metaphysics and contradict classical physics. I invite you to read some books by Amit Goswami, who is a quantum physicist and ex-professor of physics. He mentions some of those main contradictions that QM has found. He sees himself as a “Quantum activist” and is dead agaisnt materialism. He pronounces it as a dead ontology.

  1. Locality

The classical physical assumption is that objects are suspended in time and space and separate from one another. They interact with one another with a force that obeys the inverse square law. In QM it has been found that objects are not suspended in time and space and are not separate from one another. They are all superpositioned with one another, i.e., they are interconnected. There is no objects as such, but everything is defined as a mutual set of relationships with the whole. This enables information to travel instantaneously from one object to the other irrespective of time or space. This is also known as “spooky action” a term coined by Einstein who was skeptical of this. He set out to disprove it using the EPR problem which showed that if QM was true that it would be possible to affect one particle of an entangled pair of particles, and affect the other which is impossible according to classical physics. However, later John Bell devised an experiment that tests for a violation of the Bell inequalities to see if QM was right or the EPR problem was right. This test was finally done by Alain aspect that the Bell inequalities was violated, thus proving QM correct.

How does this relate to Eastern metaphysics? This is because Eastern metaphysics has exactly the same worldview and explains it using the same language. That nothing separate actually exists, but everything exists as a web of mutual interdependent relations of the whole. In Samkhya philosophy this is the theory of gunas which interact with each other instantaneously.

  1. Causal determinism

The classical physical assumption models the universe in a mechanistic way which can be modelled by inertial frames of references. If you know the starting values of an object such as position and speed you can calculate its trajectory. In QM it has been found that the universe does not at all behave in a mechanistic way but in an uncertain way, which Heisenberg called the uncertainty principle. It is not possible to know both the position and momentum of an electron and thus it is impossible to know its trajectory. So an entirely new method is used in QM to deal with the position of an electron called statistical or probability analysis. Only a probability can be given where the electron would appear. In modelling the world in this way the certainty of classical physics is done away and it shows that nothing is certain in the universe. There are probabilities for walking through walls, time going backwards, teleportation, levitation.

How does this relate to Eastern metaphysics? Eastern metaphysics also claims that the universe is fluidic and not certain, every new moment is a new event in the universe and as it is fluidic there are no deterministic laws, enabling one to play with the nature and do things like walking through walls, going back in time, teleporting, levitation etc. The Yogasutras dedicates an entire chapter on some the things that can be done.

  1. Realism and Objectivity

The classical physical assumption is that all objects and observers are suspended in space and time and completely separate entities. The observer merely observes real pre-existent objects and this makes it possible to be objective.

In QM it has been found that Objectivity and realism are false. The main experiment that shows this is the landmark experiment known as the double slit experiment. It was found in this experiment that objects can behave both as particles and as waves, but only be detected as one or the other. It was also found that a particle can switch from a wave state to a particle state when under observation. In other words prior to observation the object does not actually exist, but it a wave. The probability of finding an electron at a certain position is not a subjective probability, but an objective probability. This means that by observing it we actually create the position of the electron there. In other words the existence of the objective world in only insofar as we are conscious of it. There is no such objective world without that consciousness.

This has by far been the most controversial finding in QM and the mainstream scientists do not want to accept it. They posit QM has to be wrong and call it to be tested. So many tested have been devised to test this. But QM has passed test after test, the most recent being the tests done in 2000 which have pretty much disproven objectivity and realism.

How does this relate to Eastern metaphysics? Eastern metaphysics claims that there is no reality without an observer. That they are inseparable and are reflections of one another(Atman = Brahman) Moreover they claim all of reality is actually a mental construction(idealism) QM is supporting them very strongly on this.

  1. Empty space

Classical physics holds that the vacuum of space is the absolute reduction of space and there is nothing that exists beyond it. The idea of ether, the so-called 5th element that pervades all of space and from all things manifest, from which energy could be extracted from any point was rejected by physicists at the end of the 19th century with the landmark experiment known as the Michelson-Morley experiment which found no evidence for ether. It was still maintained by Nicole Tesla who talked about the ether as Akasha and the energy currents within it as Prana, and William Reich who called it Orgone energy and claimed he could channel it using Orgone accumulaters… Throughout the 20th century this has been one of the most controversial areas as several physicists have come forward claiming they can generate free energy(a misnomer for generating more energy than one puts in) which is done through creating particular harmonic circuits. The Tesla coil for example is able to generate very high voltage and high frequency electricity. Then there were claims by some scientists that they could create cold-fusion(fusion at room temperature, using etheric energy). All these inventions were rejected by the mainstream scientific community because they violated the classical laws of thermodynamics.

In QM it has been found that there is indeed something like this 5th element called ether(Sanskrit akasha) which they have called the zero point energy field or the quantum vacuum. The landmark experiment was by a scientist named Casimir who demonstrated that an energy is generated by two metal plates close together in a vacuum which causes the metal plates to attract one another. This is called the Casimir effect. This is explained as quantum vacuum flucuations or forces that emanate from the zero point energy field. The casimir effect is very real and it is especially relevant in nanotechnology, where quantum vacuum forces can cause nanomaterials to stick, to break, to malform. Recently, scientists have been able to channel the casimir force so that it creates an upwards pushing force to eliminate friction between the nano parts. This upwards force can theoretically be used to levitate objects of any size. It depends just how strong of a force you can channel from the zero point energy field. The energy available with the ZPE is calculated as such that within the space of a hydrogen atom there is more energy than all the stars in the known universe.

How does this relate to Eastern metaphysics? Eastern metaphysics has long held that the entire universe is made up of 5 elements. This originates from Vedic metaphysics. The traditional translation of the 5 elements as earth, water, fire, air and ether is not the correct translation of the Sanskrit words pritvhi, apas, tejas, vayu and akasha. The correct translations are: solid, liquidious/flowing, light, force and space(ether is acceptable). According to this theory matter comes in higher and lower densities. The first four elements are considered to be made of atoms(sanskrit: paramanus), the 5th element however is considered to be non-material of wavicular nature. So according to Eastern metaphysics matter first begins as a wave, then it increases in density and becomes a force, then it increases in density and becomes light, then it increases in density and becomes liquidious/flowing(possibly referring to subatomic particles) and finally it becomes very solid and dense.

The 5th element is all pervading, infinite and the very substratum of matter and it said to be teeming with energy which can be tapped if you know how. It is here that pranic forces are said to be running, and it is possible to channel those currents to generate free energy and to move things. In the same way QM today is generating the etheric casimir force to push objects up to achieive physical levitation. The Yogasutras says exactly the same thing on how to channel the prana to push upwards to achieive physical levitation.

In other words the descriptions are identical. Several modern philosophers of science have seen the parallels, such as Erwin Lazlo, who has redubbed the quantum vacuum/zero point energy field as the A-field(Akashic field) I do not agree with everything that Lazlo says(such as his beliefs on 2012) but he a very prolific writer on this subject and has written dozens of books.

So in summary: These are the four major assumptions of classical physics which have been disproven by QM. The findings of QM support all of the major teachings of Eastern metaphysics. This is why QM is cited by spiritual people, religion and metaphysicians all the time. Nothing is actually being taken out of context. Rather the findings of both are very compatible and consistent with one another. Some QM physicists look to Eastern metaphysics and some Eastern metaphysicians look to QM. In fact the truth is it is materialists who are taking QM out of context by insisting on a duality of a classical universe and a quantum universe and saying they are two different things, just so that they can hold onto classical physics. But QM has categorically disproven classical physics. The truth is QM does not at all support materialism in any way, shape or form. QM has brought materialism to the same place that Copernicus brought flat-earth theories to - absurdity.