Yoga and Reincarnation Beliefs

The story of Creation is an allegory. God has no need to rest. There is nothing that could make an infinite God tired, and no work that is any effort whatsoever.

Angels and souls are pure spirits.

Your reasoning is not illogical, but it is not exclusive.

An immaterial God can create a material universe and can create immaterial beings. There is no contradiction in that, unless you place limitations on God, and that would be a contradiction.

Good night, SD.

It’s been fun, but being the child I am, it’s time for my mommy to tuck me in.

The story of Creation is an allegory. God has no need to rest. There is nothing that could make an infinite God tired, and no work that is any effort whatsoever.

Is it now? Has this always been the position of the Church :wink:

There is no contradiction in that, unless you place limitations on God, and that would be a contradiction

We certainly cannot place a limit on god the infinite, boundless, absolute. But we certainly can place limits on what humans have had to say about god. Humans are finite beings with finite minds and finite language. Whatever they have to say about god is going to be limited and prone to error.

Your statements are thus open to logical scurtiny

  1. In the beginning there is god and nothing else
  2. Then god creates the material universe

If statement 1 is correct then it means in the beginning there is god and nothing else. Then for statement 2 to be correct as well, god must have have created the material universe out of something. However, as in the beginning there is only god and nothing else, there is nothing to create from, other than from god himself. Nothing can only produce nothing. Therefore the only logical conclusion is god created the material universe of himself.

This is known as emanationism and is the only creationist doctrine that makes rational sense and produces no contradictions. Hindus are emanationists.

Creation emanates from the source that is pure spirit. In the evolution phase of creation. First there is first divine will(in the beginning divine will arose) and then it is thought and then it becomes physical matter. In the involution phase of the creation. Physical matter will revert to thought and thought will revert to divine will. This completes one cycle of creation.

This same cycle of evolution and involution can be seen taking place all over. When you go to sleep you revert to thought and dream and then revert to desire. When you meditate you revert from the physical body and senses into the thoughts in the mind and then to desires that produce all thoughts.

All matter also begins similarly. It is first desire, then thought and then physical matter. Evolving from minute to massive. In psychosomatic manifestations in the body first there is desire then there are thoughts and then thoughts materialise as physical manifestations in the body.

The same happens with creativity. First there is desire, then there is thought and then thought is turned into action and materialised.

It is widely known fact in physics that matter does not begin as massive initially. It first begins as a wave of possibility in the quantum field and then materialises gradually from atomic, molecular to celluar. This manifestation begins at the level of consciousness.

Therefore the soul exists prior to the manifestation of body. It does not come into existence with the body. It precedes the body. Only then is it possible for the soul to survive after the death of the body.

Yes, I believe God created something out of nothing.

We need material to make things. God does not.

Yep, and that is why it is irrational.

Nothing cannot produce something. Nothing
can only produce nothing.

If nothing could produce something than things
would come into being by themselves. Pots, buildings,
cars, aeroplanes.

But this is not true. Nothing just matrialises into being,
it gradually evolves into being.

God is not nothing.

Exactly.

I don’t mean God took a measure of “nothing” and then made that nothing into something.

But God did not make matter from his own substance.

creation is not a change or transformation, since the latter process includes an actual underlying pre-existent subject that passes from one real state to another real state, which subject creation positively excludes;

it is not a procession within the Deity, like the inward emission of the Divine Persons, since its term is extrinsic to God;

it is not an emanation from the Divine Substance, since the latter is utterly indivisible;
it is an act which, while it abides within its cause (God), has its term or effect distinct therefrom; formally immanent, it is virtually transitive;

including, as it does, no motion, and hence no successiveness, it is an instantaneous operation;

its immediate term is the substance of the effect, the “accidents” (q.v.) being “con-created”;

since the word creation in its passive sense expresses the term or object of the creative act, or, more strictly, the object in its entitative dependence on the Creator, it follows that, as this dependence is essential, and hence inamissible, the creative act once placed is coextensive in duration with the creature’s existence.

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/04470a.htm

Then what did god create matter out of then? There is nothing but god that exists in the beginning.

I think that’s the point. He willed it into existence.