It looks like the universe existed, as a twin universe, before the Big Bang:
My 2 Cents - The way YogiAdam has defined Science is the "current " way of how things work now a days. It seems to me that if a few peers agree with what you are saying then it becoms science - Science as Democracy? But is it right? Science is always evolving, changing thr prior understanding every day, even though in past eveyone agreed it to be true.
Also regarding the proof - How do you proove something? It basically depends on the instruments of measurements, detection etc. As echnology is evolving so are the tools and we are descovering new things, concepts and refinng/chaning our understanding /science everyday. SO this mean that Contemporary Science is Not the ultimate answer to almost anything.
Infact Sciene has Not prooved most of the basic things yet. Whats the origin or universe, earth, sun, water, life etc - There are no prooves, just theories, which for lack of understanding or ability most of the people have accepted or dont challenge. Even Gravity Theory is still in question.
I respect Science because of its methodology, but Not to say that Science is the only answer and the way things done today is the only way. It keeps changing every few years.
This might be an interesting subject.
Nobody denies that the advanced yogis had a lot of knowledge through INTUITION.
The problem is: how detailed was this intuition knowledge ? Eg were there mechanical machines built through the intuition knowledge of the yogis who supposedly knew about Newton’s laws of mechanics ?
Yogis for sure thought and knew a lot about the creation of the universe. However, the existence of the universe before the Big Bang has been only recently discovered.
Intuition plays a great role in science too. Even Einstein said that “immagination is more
powerful than knowledge.”
In my opinion, yoga and science are not mutually exclusive. On the contrary, they might help each other.
In my opinion, science and yoga can meet.
If you have detailed scientifical confirmation of some truths from yoga, what is wrong with that ?
here is my opinion:
I will try to explain why opposing science and yoga is impossible.
In my opinion, Patanjali and Surya Deva are promoting the following:
Yoga and Science already met, and they will never seperate.
If one reads Patanjali YS, already in the beginning this would become clear: yoga encapsulates science, therefore it looks at science from a higher level. (Im not talking mystical here, just as in higher level math, metalevel if you will).
Why start comparing objects which do not share the same level at all?
[U][B]Explanation yoga related[/B][/U]
Pramana (correct knowledge) indicates the psychological buildingblock for our modern, scientific paradigm today.
Therefore, Yoga (meaning ‘union’) acknowledges and integrates modern science as uncoloured and valid.
Opposing yoga vs modern science is like opposing apple vs appleseed, impossible.
How can an appleseed escape the apple?
How could modern science escape a model which encapsulated science as organ?
There is nothing mystical going on here imho.
To reproduce the statements above, here is a scientific approach:
- reserve 1 hour
- get a sketchbook
- sketch out the structures which are presented in the already the 1st 4 sentences of the YS
- ask other scientists to do this, and ask if they could verify the findings in this post.
Here is the spectrum of usual biased opinions about this topic:
extreme religion belief <-----------------------(skeptical)----------------------------> extreme scientific belief
One can replace the word ‘extreme’ with cynics, as they already have taken their standpoint about the opposite. These people are basically the same, with the only difference that they totally deny or accept imagination for searching truth.
Therefore their opinions are coloured with their standpoint.
Skeptical people remain neutral, silent, because out of curiosity, they try to stay openminded about new things, and look for evidence on both sides, because one never knows…basically…scientists 
Surya Deva: any correction/feedback is welcome.
crazy idea:
- science = every scientific discovery is false or true (falsifying system)
- yoga = science, mind + more = every discovery can range between falseA, true or falseB (vector system)
The science in the 1st is exactly the same science in the second.
In the second, science can have its own progression in time, and still always be true and embedded in yoga.
This might explain the power of the YS, it is written to survive time.
Ok…cynics will not like this crazy, probably incomplete comparison:
Why not look at the body as an iphone, where the operating system is the mind, and every app is a scientific branch which will update itself to survive time.
Wouldnt it be cynical to belief that apps can only be updated?
not sure if this makes any sense to anybody…if it does, congrats
This is very well explained. A point I have made repeatedly in the past to those calling Yoga religion, mysticism or just a philosophy, is that they don’t seem to understand that Yoga is based on the scientific method. It uses an actual method to study the mind and body using ones awareness, which we now today recognize as a valid scientific method phenomenology and use it extensively in social sciences. The Yogis, using their own consciousness are observing directly the nature of mind and body and recording their observations. These observations and then peer-reviewed by other yogis and the collected body of peer-reviewed data comes to us.
What modern science has realized is that the predictions of Yoga are measurable - Yoga has measurable effects on our body, including on our brain waves and measurable effects on our mind, including mapping out different states of consciousness.
Direct observation is more superior means of knowledge because we do not doubt the validity of what we can observe. The fact I am here right now, typing away on my computer is not something I doubt. I can still doubt the nature of the reality that I am perceiving, but I cannot deny the fact that my perception is taking place. Yoga extends the powers of direct observation whereby by suspending yourself in a state of observation even more layers of the gross reality are revealed. Gradually, peeling away layer by layer, I directly observe the fundamental nature.
Inferential or theoretical knowledge, which is what the majority of modern scientific knowledge is, is doubtful. There is no certainty that our inferences are correct and new observations are not going to force us to make different inferences. In absence of certainty doubt remains.
The ordinary human has to use a combination of ordinary observation and measurement and inference and theorizing to obtain knowledge. As we cannot observe every variable, this approach takes a very long time for us to become aware of every variable. In fact it has taken modern science some 500 years to arrive at our current modern physical theories. As the human being has a limited IQ, their powers of inference are limited by their IQ. It is practically impossible for them to compute infinite variables at once, hence they will always have incomplete knowledge.
The beauty of Yoga is knowledge isn’t something that we obtain through our egoic pursuit, knowledge is revealed by nature itself when we silence our own modifications. It is easy to see this in experiments with primates doing cognitive tests like mathematical calculations or having to remember information they saw flashed on a screen, whereas the most intelligent human struggles, the primates perform these tasks in a split second. This is because they are not trying to tax their brains like the human has to do, they allow their natural intelligence to operate. Similarly, when humans start to still their mind activity, they will allow the natural intelligence to operate.
JNANA YOGA
Thank you my brothers and sisters for explaining
A beautiful side of yoga
Merry Christmas
Peace
Thanks for the kind words.
I also wish you the same! 