[QUOTE=The Scales;62912]The assistance is really tied to my incarnating karma. Once the knowledge base was established and I was mature enough he began to make his presence known to help me do what I’m here to do. [/QUOTE]
Your story is encouraging! 
What Yogas have you practiced?
[QUOTE=AmirMourad;62924]Yes, masters may quote other masters, real or dead, fictitious or real, but it is just for the sake of emphasizing their own message. Otherwise, a master speaks out of his own direct experience, no borrowed knowledge is needed as a substitute.[/QUOTE]
[B]Amir:[/B]
Are you enlightened?
Anand,
“Again I say, I am just a small person”
Drop this attachment to being a personality, whether small or otherwise. To think of yourself as a “small” person is just as egoistic as it’s opposite - in both cases one has remained clinging to a self-image.
"I still need a lot of “borrowed knowledge”.
To use such borrowed knowledge as an instrument is one thing, but the moment you become entangled in it - it becomes something dogmatic, you cannot see anything beyond it. And there may be many things in your borrowed knowledge which have no roots in reality, but you have already accepted them without question. Something like an Atman (self) - how do you know that there is such a thing to be found anywhere in your being ? You have accepted it simply because you have heard others talking about it, and it gives you comfort and security to believe that there is such an Atman in your being. Like this - one has accepted far too many things blindly. When this is done, we usually call that person a believer. Or - if you happen to think of something intensely and jump to conclusions - then we call this person a thinker. But neither thinking or believing is an attitude of one who is sincerely interested in the search for Truth. Because to be a seeker means just that - that you have come to recognize your ignorance and you are inquiring into things as an empty slate, trying to see things as they are out of your own intelligence.
panoramix, : )
Enlightenment and non-enlightenment,
This shore and the other shore,
All shattered to dust,
Deluded are the fragmentations are the intellect,
The more one entertains oneself with them, the farther astray from the Way,
Seeing, the eyes see,
Hearing, the ears hear -
This is a teaching beyond all teachings.
[QUOTE=AmirMourad;62951]panoramix, : )
Enlightenment and non-enlightenment,
This shore and the other shore,
All shattered to dust,
Deluded are the fragmentations are the intellect,
The more one entertains oneself with them, the farther astray from the Way,
Seeing, the eyes see,
Hearing, the ears hear -
This is a teaching beyond all teachings.[/QUOTE]
You speak as if you were enlightened, and you aren’t (are you?).
So you partially resort to borrowed knowledge too (don’t you?).
Silence…
cicada’s sound,
penetrates the rock.
parnoramix,
Everything I have been saying arises out of my own direct experience. If I happen to use other knowledge in conversation, then it is just as a means to point towards something else entirely. Even while writing this message - I have to use the knowledge of the English language in order to communicate.
If you mean by enlightenment the transformation that arises out of a direct perception into your own true nature, then it had taken me six years of tremendous effort and discipline in the yogic sciences to come to my awakening. Since then I have remained in a state of bliss for almost twenty four hours. But I do not see how any of this is relevant, as far as your own being is concerned, whether another is awake or not, does not bring you even an inch closer to Truth. I could simply be inventing all of this, hoping that you are gullible. You do not know. Or, I could simply be delusional. So the matter of my own awakening is more or less meaningless.
[QUOTE=AmirMourad;62953]
If you mean by enlightenment the transformation that arises out of a direct perception into your own true nature, then it had taken me six years of tremendous effort and discipline in the yogic sciences to come to my awakening. Since then I have remained in a state of bliss for almost twenty four hours. [/QUOTE]
Amir,
Do no “fall asleep” in your bliss.
Practice another six years more.
I intuit you still got path to follow on.
[QUOTE=panoramix;62944]Your story is encouraging!
What Yogas have you practiced?[/QUOTE]
My education is well rounded.
Currently the primary focus is concentration.
Yoga’s purpose is to bring unity and enlightenment and when sacred sex is brought in, it can be the ultimate experience for two souls to become one. But unfortunately, sex is sometimes misused, causing pain and heartache. Abstinence is a choice that can be freely made, and for some it is the best choice. The key here is to remember that there should be no judgment. There is neither good nor bad, it just IS, and the purpose of our very existence is to grow higher and higher towards enlightenment, regardless of whether or not sex is chosen as the vehicle to bliss, or whether abstinence will be of greater benefit.
[QUOTE=AmirMourad;62950]Anand,
“Again I say, I am just a small person”
Drop this attachment to being a personality, whether small or otherwise. To think of yourself as a “small” person is just as egoistic as it’s opposite - in both cases one has remained clinging to a self-image.
"I still need a lot of “borrowed knowledge”.
To use such borrowed knowledge as an instrument is one thing, but the moment you become entangled in it - it becomes something dogmatic, you cannot see anything beyond it. And there may be many things in your borrowed knowledge which have no roots in reality, but you have already accepted them without question. Something like an Atman (self) - how do you know that there is such a thing to be found anywhere in your being ? You have accepted it simply because you have heard others talking about it, and it gives you comfort and security to believe that there is such an Atman in your being. Like this - one has accepted far too many things blindly. When this is done, we usually call that person a believer. Or - if you happen to think of something intensely and jump to conclusions - then we call this person a thinker. But neither thinking or believing is an attitude of one who is sincerely interested in the search for Truth. Because to be a seeker means just that - that you have come to recognize your ignorance and you are inquiring into things as an empty slate, trying to see things as they are out of your own intelligence.[/QUOTE]
Dear Friend:
I had to come to a personality standpoint as you insisted on asking me (over consecutive posts) if all the words I used were from my own experience.
By Guru’s grace, I have been initiated into[I] Mahayoga[/I] by [I]Shaktipaat[/I]. There have been some experiences along the way. I prefer not to talk about these.
However, I do confess that the path is difficult. I keep falling, but then Guru Shakti pulls me up every time.
Regarding atman, I found the treatise “The Doctrine of Karma” by Swami Abhedanand very useful. Maybe you would like to read it too. A fax copy is uploaded by a helpful soul on www.scribd.com
As regards its experience, yoga will show the way. The Guru and the texts serve as guide for that.
regards, anand
Eternity Yoga
“Yoga’s purpose is to bring unity”
Unity with what or whom?
Gori,
“Unity with what or whom?”
Your original nature. Inexpressible beyond the inexpressible, raise a word about it, and one immediately falls into a web of delusion. Seeing into moon, even this finger is cast aside.
Anand,
" Regarding atman, I found the treatise “The Doctrine of Karma” by Swami Abhedanand very useful."
That is nice, but reading a book is not a verification that such an Atman exists. There are thousands upon thousands of different ideas and belief systems, if every time somebody comes along and tells you that he has discovered the Truth, and all belief systems believe they have come to the Truth, and you believe it - then you are opening doors to all kinds of confusion. Just because somebody whom you may have trust in says that there is an Atman, that does not mean there is. He could be hallucinating, or he could be inventing a good story to deceive you, how do you know ? And of course, anything which is very satisfying for your ego - you are willing to accept without hesitation. It gives great comfort to believe that there is an Atman within yourself. But believing and comfort will not help. Either you explore into the innermost depths of your being and discover if there is anything at all within you which is beyond birth and death, or you continue seeking without drawing any conclusions.
" it can be the ultimate experience for two souls to become one."
For two " souls " to become one is impossible, you are already in such a way - that nothing can be added or subtracted from your being. From the very source, to your expression as a mind and body - nothing more is needed. That is how nature is, it never creates anything without it already being well equipped in itself. And if you truly know yourself, then it is impossible for another human being to make you more “complete” - you already know that as you are - nothing at all is lacking.
Using sex as a means towards ones enlightenment is nothing mystical or otherworldly, nor are any souls involved. It is just a scientific method. The male and female have subtle energies in their bodies which are complimentary to one another, and, through certain techniques, if you know how to channel the energies of the other into your own body, and raise it along the spinal cord towards the top part of the brain, then it is possible to enter into samadhi.
[QUOTE=AmirMourad;62953]parnoramix,
Everything I have been saying arises out of my own direct experience. If I happen to use other knowledge in conversation, then it is just as a means to point towards something else entirely. Even while writing this message - I have to use the knowledge of the English language in order to communicate.
If you mean by enlightenment the transformation that arises out of a direct perception into your own true nature, then it had taken me six years of tremendous effort and discipline in the yogic sciences to come to my awakening. Since then I have remained in a state of bliss for almost twenty four hours. But I do not see how any of this is relevant, as far as your own being is concerned, whether another is awake or not, does not bring you even an inch closer to Truth. I could simply be inventing all of this, hoping that you are gullible. You do not know. Or, I could simply be delusional. So the matter of my own awakening is more or less meaningless.[/QUOTE]
Dear Friend:
The last line in your above post, may have the answer to the question you addressed to me as to whether I speak from my own experience.
You also answer your own question when you propose that the listener may not believe that it is from your own experiences or you yourself may be trying to deceive others into believing your attainments.
Moreover I think it is best for one’s Guru to decide and declare whether one is spiritually dormant/ awakened/ in the process of awakening/ in the process of self-purification for becoming worthy of Guru’s Grace.
I said earlier that I would not prefer to refer to my experiences since these are a matter between the aspirant and Guru alone. However, I am permitted to admit that whatever experiences I have had are not contrary to the texts and scriptures from which I have quoted and in fact run in their support.
regards, anand
Anand,
“I said earlier that I would not prefer to refer to my experiences since these are a matter between the aspirant and Guru alone”
Seeing the things that you have written, as well as your very clinging to your borrowed knowledge, whatever experiences you may have had are just like illusory flowers in the air.
“Moreover I think it is best for one’s Guru to decide and declare whether one is spiritually dormant/ awakened/ in the process of awakening/ in the process of self-purification for becoming worthy of Guru’s Grace.”
That depends on whom your so called “guru” is. That one is a “guru” does not mean anything at all. The very fact that you are putting unquestioning faith into the guru is itself a great hindrance, because even amongst “gurus”, there are as many different ideas, belief systems, and philosophies as one can imagine - some being diametrically opposite to one another. If your master is a Buddhist - he will have a Buddhist understanding. If your master is a Hindu - he will have a Hindu understanding. If he is a Jain, his understanding will be from the Jaina philosophy. And Truth is neither Buddhist, nor Hindu, nor Jain, nor Christian, Muslim, or Jewish. So while those who are considered “masters” are as common as hair, those who are truly masters - who have moved beyond all belief systems, tradition, and philosophies - are as few as horns.
The moment you set aside your inquiring mind - you open doors to countless delusions. Even the “guru” is to be questioned - nothing should be accepted just simply on the basis of blind faith. There is certainly a point in which great trust happens - but that is none other than surrender itself which is choiceless.
“However, I am permitted to admit that whatever experiences I have had are not contrary to the texts and scriptures from which I have quoted and in fact run in their support.”
I am certain you would like to believe this is the case. Every follower of every tradition wants to feel as though their knowledge has a certain ancient seal of approval - particularly if it is approved by God. This seal of approval provides great confidence and security. And many scriptures have gone out of their way, the Vedas included, to declare that their scripture is a revelation from God. But with or without God’s approval, this is not a unique situation.
Amir,
Do you think your knowledge is original? I visited your website; you are also living on this borrowed knowledge by selling them and I think you are doing this as your full time job. You need to think twice before you start commenting on others. You are here to show that you are enlightened by denying others are not having true knowledge.
Your website is full of borrowed hodge-podge nonsense. By saying others are not experienced, you do not become experienced. If this is the way you plan to popularize your shunya-yoga all will shun it and it will become shun-yoga.
[QUOTE=AmirMourad;63089]Anand,
“I said earlier that I would not prefer to refer to my experiences since these are a matter between the aspirant and Guru alone”
Seeing the things that you have written, as well as your very clinging to your borrowed knowledge, whatever experiences you may have had are just like illusory flowers in the air.
“Moreover I think it is best for one’s Guru to decide and declare whether one is spiritually dormant/ awakened/ in the process of awakening/ in the process of self-purification for becoming worthy of Guru’s Grace.”
That depends on whom your so called “guru” is. That one is a “guru” does not mean anything at all. The very fact that you are putting unquestioning faith into the guru is itself a great hindrance, because even amongst “gurus”, there are as many different ideas, belief systems, and philosophies as one can imagine - some being diametrically opposite to one another. If your master is a Buddhist - he will have a Buddhist understanding. If your master is a Hindu - he will have a Hindu understanding. If he is a Jain, his understanding will be from the Jaina philosophy. And Truth is neither Buddhist, nor Hindu, nor Jain, nor Christian, Muslim, or Jewish. So while those who are considered “masters” are as common as hair, those who are truly masters - who have moved beyond all belief systems, tradition, and philosophies - are as few as horns.
The moment you set aside your inquiring mind - you open doors to countless delusions. Even the “guru” is to be questioned - nothing should be accepted just simply on the basis of blind faith. There is certainly a point in which great trust happens - but that is none other than surrender itself which is choiceless.
“However, I am permitted to admit that whatever experiences I have had are not contrary to the texts and scriptures from which I have quoted and in fact run in their support.”
I am certain you would like to believe this is the case. Every follower of every tradition wants to feel as though their knowledge has a certain ancient seal of approval - particularly if it is approved by God. This seal of approval provides great confidence and security. And many scriptures have gone out of their way, the Vedas included, to declare that their scripture is a revelation from God. But with or without God’s approval, this is not a unique situation.[/QUOTE]
Dear friend:
i fail to understand why you are insisting on being judgmental.
regards, anand
[QUOTE=Sahasrara;63092]Amir,
Do you think your knowledge is original? I visited your website; you are also living on this borrowed knowledge by selling them and I think you are doing this as your full time job. You need to think twice before you start commenting on others. You are here to show that you are enlightened by denying others are not having true knowledge.
Your website is full of borrowed hodge-podge nonsense. By saying others are not experienced, you do not become experienced. If this is the way you plan to popularize your shunya-yoga all will shun it and it will become shun-yoga.[/QUOTE]
Well said, sahasrara! 
its just a plain no!
Ashwin
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