[QUOTE=Anand Kulkarni;62536]Dear friend:
In yoga, by definition, there is only [B]one[/B] final goal.
regards, anand[/QUOTE]
The goal may be only one, but the needs for which yoga is customized and adopted in the western world is not as per the only one goal as set forth by the hindu scriptures. Yoga in the western world is adopted for ones own need and is different from each other. Whatever goal you are talking about is not the same as the need of many who are contradicting celibacy here.
whats the one goal?
[QUOTE=panoramix;62552]
How can one preserve ones bindu when testicles and prostate start hurting because of the abstinence?[/QUOTE]
Yes, any brahmachari guys on here can answer that? I’m a female so wouldn’t know but I’m curious as to how the celibate life works for men (if it works for them at all).
Anand, where are you getting your definition of “soma” from? Can you cite a reference please.
Does anyone have any books tips meditations that can help with trying to keep Brahmacharya ~ Celibacy
I have been trying to keep this but its getting really really hard. I am a massage therapist and work on women all day. I have been focusing on Brahmacharya ~ Celibacy to give myself more powers in yoga meditation and surfing but lately the urge has been becoming very hard to control since I am a 28 year old male.
Any tips on meditations or books to channel this energy into other positive areas of my life?
I have to say - trying to be celibate while massaging women as a 28 year old male takes balls. I am un qualified to offer any advice, except that a change in profession may help.
[QUOTE=handsofeye;62622]Does anyone have any books tips meditations that can help with trying to keep Brahmacharya ~ Celibacy
I have been trying to keep this but its getting really really hard. I am a massage therapist and work on women all day. I have been focusing on Brahmacharya ~ Celibacy to give myself more powers in yoga meditation and surfing but lately the urge has been becoming very hard to control since I am a 28 year old male.
Any tips on meditations or books to channel this energy into other positive areas of my life?[/QUOTE]
One trick is to send all your female customers to your female therapist and handle only male customers 
[QUOTE=panoramix;62596]Thank you Anand.[/QUOTE]
Dear Friend:
You should thank H.H. Paramhamsa Yogananada and Babaji. I’m sure you must be doing that on a daily basis, esp. before beginning your practices.
These and a few more [I][B]Avatars[/B][/I] continue to guide the [B]ardent[/B] aspirant even today, provided he/she surrenders their ego to them.
regards, anand
[QUOTE=Anand Kulkarni;62645]Dear Friend:
You should thank H.H. Paramhamsa Yogananada and Babaji. I’m sure you must be doing that on a daily basis, esp. before beginning your practices.
These and a few more [I][B]Avatars[/B][/I] continue to guide the [B]ardent[/B] aspirant even today, provided he/she surrenders their ego to them.
regards, anand[/QUOTE]
You sure do have a lot of qualifiers “provided he/she surrenders thier ego to them” And what the river styx does surrendering thier ego mean?
also where is the Sun located? I.e the Reference to the HYP sloka?
Hmmm?
also what is the ONE goal of yoga?
[QUOTE=FlexPenguin;62632]I have to say - trying to be celibate while massaging women as a 28 year old male takes balls. I am un qualified to offer any advice, except that a change in profession may help.[/QUOTE]
I am doing extremely good then. I have been doing daily meditation and putting most of my energy into surfing, surfing everyday. I want to teach yoga more but still thats hard also. 80% of yogis at least in America are women in tight pants and tube tops.
So I guess just do more focused meditation. The old yogis in India had it much easier they didn’t have to work and were completely removed from women making there path a simple road to follow. I quess I will just be allot stronger because of it then
[QUOTE=Sahasrara;62634]One trick is to send all your female customers to your female therapist and handle only male customers :)[/QUOTE]
that would be nice also but almost all my clients are female over 90% actually. More meditation then and more surfing
From post no.33 above:
Anand, where are you getting your definition of “soma” from? Can you cite a reference please.
From post no.38 above:
also where is the Sun located? I.e the Reference to the HYP sloka?
For both these queries, one may refer to [I][B]Yoga Shikha Upanishad[/B][/I], Ch.5, v-32 and v-33
It is given therein that the celestial sun corresponds to the fire in the navel region (manipur chakra?) and the moon corresponds the root of the palate.
regards, anand
You sure do have a lot of qualifiers “provided he/she surrenders thier ego to them” And what the river styx does surrendering thier ego mean?
With intellect (buddhi) unhampered by doubt, accepting them (their omniscience and omnipotence) as the master of the microcosm that you are is the import of what I wanted to convey.
I may still be falling short in conveying the idea. Pl excuse me.
regards, anand
[QUOTE=handsofeye;62650]I am doing extremely good then.
80% of yogis at least in America are women in tight pants and tube tops.
[/QUOTE]
This also accounts for 25% of my motivation for going to yoga class
I guess I have a long, long way to go!
BTW - all the surfer movies I’ve seen are peppered with nubiles in skimpy suits. I am questioning if you are for real. At the risk of starting a religious diatribe, even Jesus would have a tough time with your occupations.
[QUOTE=Anand Kulkarni;62675]With intellect (buddhi) unhampered by doubt, accepting them (their omniscience and omnipotence) as the master of the microcosm that you are is the import of what I wanted to convey.
I may still be falling short in conveying the idea. Pl excuse me.
regards, anand[/QUOTE]
“unhampered by doubt”- this where the problem starts and the western world customizes yoga for their need and do not mostly and undoubtedly believe in “The only goal of yoga”. Here the yoga is mostly coated with “Charvaka” flavor and so celibacy is a myth for this part of world and so people get physical pains even if they think of practicing celibacy.
[QUOTE=Sahasrara;62679]“unhampered by doubt”- this where the problem starts and the western world customizes yoga for their need and do not mostly and undoubtedly believe in “The only goal of yoga”. Here the yoga is mostly coated with “Charvaka” flavor and so celibacy is a myth for this part of world and so people get physical pains even if they think of practicing celibacy.[/QUOTE]
Dear Friend:
There is no reason for a science to get diluted or “flavoured” as per “requirements” of any part of the world, east, west, middle or anywhere else.
The law that Action and reaction are equal and opposite holds good equally in Japan as in the US.
Even if yoga science has results on multiple spheres, these all emanate from actions at the deepest levels. It would be suicidal to continue with opposing actions saying that “our aim is different” and hence, a particular requirement is redundant. [B]It may even produce diseases.[/B]
regards, anand
[QUOTE=Sahasrara;62610]The goal may be only one, but the needs for which yoga is customized and adopted in the western world is not as per the only one goal as set forth by the hindu scriptures. Yoga in the western world is adopted for ones own need and is different from each other. Whatever goal you are talking about is not the same as the need of many who are contradicting celibacy here.[/QUOTE]
Yoga, with respect as outlined by Patanjali, does not require Hindusim.
[QUOTE=ray_killeen;62684]Yoga, with respect as outlined by Patanjali, does not require Hindusim.[/QUOTE]
Your remark is completely out of context, but nonetheless yoga as outlined by patanjali is nothing else than Hinduism. It’s only because people’s understanding of Hinduism is limited to caste, cow and curry that they can’t see that the yoga sutras of patanjali are soaked in Hindu thinking or that the yoga sutras are only a small part of the wider yogic literature within Hinduism.
[QUOTE=ray_killeen;62684]Yoga, with respect as outlined by Patanjali, does not require Hindusim.[/QUOTE]
Anent,
Can you comment on this? This will augument your previous reply too to reason out why do people flavorize yoga in this part of the world. Since, i am a staunch hindu, I have no problem in taking this science, but you need to get into the mind of a so called yogi from western part of the world also.
[QUOTE=Sarvamaṅgalamaṅgalā;62685]Your remark is completely out of context, but nonetheless yoga as outlined by patanjali is nothing else than Hinduism. It’s only because people’s understanding of Hinduism is limited to caste, cow and curry that they can’t see that the yoga sutras of patanjali are soaked in Hindu thinking or that the yoga sutras are only a small part of the wider yogic literature within Hinduism.[/QUOTE]
How can my comment be out of context? Sahasrara was misleading readers that Hinduism is part of yoga, when in fact yoga is part of Hinduism.
[QUOTE=Sarvamaṅgalamaṅgalā;62685]Your remark is completely out of context, but nonetheless yoga as outlined by patanjali is nothing else than Hinduism. It’s only because people’s understanding of Hinduism is limited to caste, cow and curry that they can’t see that the yoga sutras of patanjali are soaked in Hindu thinking or that the yoga sutras are only a small part of the wider yogic literature within Hinduism.[/QUOTE]
I would rather say Yoga is a technology developed by Hinduism.
And like any other technology, it can be applied to several purposes.
You may see that yogic terminology is sanskrit and rooted in Hinduism, but that does not mean it “is” Hinduism, as in the same way computers “are not” american culture, or capitalist economy “is not” british culture, and so on…
A christian, a muslim, a shamanist… all of them could make use of Yoga for evolving to the state of true meditation, and then go on to liberation through prayers or meditations of their systems.
Things are not white or black. Thankfully.