Yoga originally used by Hindu wrestlers

If there IS something that’s making me appreciate Hindu culture, it’s my training in Martial Arts, and the connection between wrestling and yoga in India.

Some of the most brutal workouts I’ve done lately have been Dands (Hindu push ups), Bethaks (Hindu squats), and swinging Indian clubs and macebells… and the carry over results for Martial Arts training speak for themselves.

I found this very interesting interview with strength and conditioning coach, BJJ black belt, and mobility guru, Steve Maxwell.
He discusses an interpretation of the origins of yoga, and it’s relation to martial arts.
The sound quality of the interview is not fantastic, but I found the interview very interesting.
You may or may not agree with some of the things that Steve says, but I thought some of you, particularly those that are interested in fitness and strength and conditioning, would find this interview fascinating
I hope some of you enjoy the interview.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3vN0DDOCqU&feature=feedlik

Hi YogiAdam,

isn’t it a complete miracle and wonder, that just today I came across Maxwell’s Push-Up-Bar video? That ole universe again, always good for a surprise…

However, thanks for the link, indeed quite interesting. Shandor Remete is mentioned (actually what Maxwell says is largely Remete’s view on things), I have seen some vids of his “Shadow Yoga”, very interesting too, but quite advanced from my position.

The as well mentioned Dance of Shiva is explained here by Andrey Lappa:

http://www.universal-yoga.com/?id=14001

There’s a DVD too:

http://www.pranamaya.com/teachers/andrey-lappa/lappa-v2dos.html

It looks somewhat absurd in motion, but I think there is something to it. Maybe Lappa is not exactly a master of that exercise.

[QUOTE=YogiAdam;54280]If there IS something that’s making me appreciate Hindu culture, it’s my training in Martial Arts, and the connection between wrestling and yoga in India.

Some of the most brutal workouts I’ve done lately have been Dands (Hindu push ups), Bethaks (Hindu squats), and swinging Indian clubs and macebells… and the carry over results for Martial Arts training speak for themselves.

. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3vN0DDOCqU&feature=feedlik[/QUOTE]

Dands and Bhiataks are not part of Hathyoga. They were used as body strenghtening techniques in the Akhadas.

In case someone wouldn't know what "club swinging" is let me spare you those search results of swinger clubs:

http://www.oldtimestrongman.com/blog/labels/Indian%20Club%20Swinging.html
http://www.oldtimestrongman.com/indian_clubs.html

This site is overall quite interesting anyway, I had been there before, but never got to this method.

[QUOTE=reaswaran;54293]Dands and Bhiataks are not part of Hathyoga. They were used as body strenghtening techniques in the Akhadas.[/QUOTE]

Oh yeah, sorry I wasn’t trying to say that repetitions of dands and bethaks are your ‘typical’ yoga routine, but they are moves that are commonly seen in yoga, and are defiantly related. I’m not trying to define yoga or anything, I just really enjoyed the interview. It definitely appealed to me.

[QUOTE=Quetzalcoatl;54289]Hi YogiAdam,

isn’t it a complete miracle and wonder, that just today I came across Maxwell’s Push-Up-Bar video? That ole universe again, always good for a surprise…

However, thanks for the link, indeed quite interesting. Shandor Remete is mentioned (actually what Maxwell says is largely Remete’s view on things), I have seen some vids of his “Shadow Yoga”, very interesting too, but quite advanced from my position.

The as well mentioned Dance of Shiva is explained here by Andrey Lappa:

http://www.universal-yoga.com/?id=14001

There’s a DVD too:

http://www.pranamaya.com/teachers/andrey-lappa/lappa-v2dos.html

It looks somewhat absurd in motion, but I think there is something to it. Maybe Lappa is not exactly a master of that exercise.[/QUOTE]

Thanks so much for the links!! I really do love Steve Maxwell’s material. I do a mobility routine every day, I got from Steve that has worked wonders for my aches and pains.

[QUOTE=reaswaran;54293]Dands and Bhiataks are not part of Hathyoga. They were used as body strenghtening techniques in the Akhadas.[/QUOTE]

Try looking for Kalaripayuttu. Its a Kerala martial art and its movements may appeal to you.

A link to start you off.

http://www.malayalamresourcecentre.org/Mrc/culture/artforms/kalaripayattu/kalaripayattu.html

Cheers !

Yogiadam there is a little written about this connection and influence of indian wrestling on yoga asana , never read or heard anything about yoga coming from wrestling .
Dont forget we are talking about a small part of asana which in itself is a small part of yoga , but yoga as often practised nowadays is often coming from Krishnamacharya lineage , he was guru to BkS Iyengar , P Jois propogagator of Ashtanga vinyasa mysore style, to name bur two of his influential Students , he was based in Mysore India famous for its wrestling , so no doubt , this Influenced the Asana part of yoga especially jumpings , which were said to keep young minds and bodies still and out of trouble ,
as we mature in our practise we can be stiller in our practise , although as Gordon reminded us in another post no asana is fixed ,not even a 15 minute forward bend .
as mr Iyengar says about asana when I was young ( Immature) I played now I am old (mature ) I stay my words in brackets by the way.
Unfortunately Krisnamacharya is not here to talk about this , but this has certainly been speculated . You can find some videos of people practising wrestling jumpings , if I have time I may look for you they were over on the Ashtanga yuku forum /board , so you could search their.
Shandor is a great teacher and has studied yoga to great depth and is an interesting and charismatic fellow , he lives in Australia and certainly is more than an Asana teacher ,
actually I think he now spells his name Zhander or something like that google shadow yoga , maybe he is near you. He has great stories and was the one of the main teachers of one of my main teachers who also is Australian I think you might like them.

[QUOTE=charliedharma;54304]Yogiadam there is a little written about this connection and influence of indian wrestling on yoga asana , never read or heard anything about yoga coming from wrestling .
Dont forget we are talking about a small part of asana which in itself is a small part of yoga , but yoga as often practised nowadays is often coming from Krishnamacharya lineage , he was guru to BkS Iyengar , P Jois propogagator of Ashtanga vinyasa mysore style, to name bur two of his influential Students , he was based in Mysore India famous for its wrestling , so no doubt , this Influenced the Asana part of yoga especially jumpings , which were said to keep young minds and bodies still and out of trouble ,
as we mature in our practise we can be stiller in our practise , although as Gordon reminded us in another post no asana is fixed ,not even a 15 minute forward bend .
as mr Iyengar says about asana when I was young ( Immature) I played now I am old (mature ) I stay my words in brackets by the way.
Unfortunately Krisnamacharya is not here to talk about this , but this has certainly been speculated . You can find some videos of people practising wrestling jumpings , if I have time I may look for you they were over on the Ashtanga yuku forum /board , so you could search their.
Shandor is a great teacher and has studied yoga to great depth and is an interesting and charismatic fellow , he lives in Australia and certainly is more than an Asana teacher ,
actually I think he now spells his name Zhander or something like that google shadow yoga , maybe he is near you. He has great stories and was the one of the main teachers of one of my main teachers who also is Australian I think you might like them.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, I’m not the type of person to hear something that appeals to me and instantly take it as “this is how it is, and I can’t believe anything else”. I doubt that yoga specifically comes from wrestling. I really only posted it, cause I like the idea yoga and wrestling do have some history together. I like that wrestlers used yoga to help there art, and I like the little union there. I’m a big fan of linking all my practices into one. For example, I meditated, and yoga is also a form of mediation, and yoga has exercises that help wrestling, and wrestling is a martail art, and so is Thai boxing, and Thai boxing has a Buddhist aspect, and Buddhism has meditation, and yoga is a form of meditation etc etc… I like the interconnectedness of it all. Please don’t think that I am saying “yoga comes from wrestling, and it’s as black and white as that”… cause I’m not. The relation between them just appealed to me, and I thought it may appeal to a few others. That’s all it is.

It is very sad that everyone giving to yoga their own meaning and starting their own way of yoga method with adding their name to yoga word. Please see yoga as it is, to understand that we need to understand the hindu philosophy. Reading Vivekanada books will help us to understand what is real yoga and meditation and all the other things related to this subject.
Having full knowledge will help us practice with confident.
Thank You All.

[QUOTE=hanuma;54307]It is very sad that everyone giving to yoga their own meaning and starting their own way of yoga method with adding their name to yoga word. Please see yoga as it is, to understand that we need to understand the hindu philosophy. Reading Vivekanada books will help us to understand what is real yoga and meditation and all the other things related to this subject.
Having full knowledge will help us practice with confident.
Thank You All.[/QUOTE]

Please read my responds above… I think you may have missed it as we posted replies at exactly the same time. I should elaborate as well, when I use the term yoga, I am more referring to asnana, as that is what my culture refers to when they say yoga.

Yogi Adam I did not think you were saying that yoga came from wrestling , I hear what you are saying about interconnectedness and was just trying to give some more information , from the little I know .

[QUOTE=charliedharma;54309]Yogi Adam I did not think you were saying that yoga came from wrestling , I hear what you are saying about interconnectedness and was just trying to give some more information , from the little I know .[/QUOTE]

Oh ok… thanks for the info!!

[QUOTE=YogiAdam;54308]Please read my responds above… I think you may have missed it as we posted replies at exactly the same time. I should elaborate as well, when I use the term yoga, I am more referring to asnana, as that is what my culture refers to when they say yoga.[/QUOTE]

You have mistaken me, I didn’t point you. I was talking in general , I just want to mention the practice which is going around the world. Every one giving to yoga their own definitions and starting their own yoga methods after their name. I request all the beginners to get some idea (through books ex : vivekananda and some indian yogi’s books) before they are going to learn yoga asanas.

Thank you for posting this. I find Shandor’s ideas fascinating. He has done a lot of investigation in yoga and other self cultivating arts of India. With the directions Shandor has given (looking into kalaripayattu, Bharata Natyam, Katthaka and internal martial arts), combining that with the philosophical side of the yogic literature and traditions, I think it’s possible to start a yoga renaissance. Not that I agree with everything Shandor says, but I appreciate the research he has done. I have also very little patience for modern housewife yoga.

An interview with Shandor Remete:
http://wildyogi.info/en/issue/ganga-natasha-rivera-interview-shandor-remete?fb_comment_id=fbc_10150130245989738_17163194_10150219000654738#f230e1aa5ab17c2