Are our practices applied

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#41

@David
The difference between the human being and the animal is rational thought David, choice rather than slavery to innate behaviors. This is exactly my point. We CAN behave as animals. Or not. There is nature and there is nurture. And while the dog can not change his conditioning, you can! Or not.

Again, I was not suggesting not feeling. What I am discussing is the choice to respond to those feelings in a variety of ways, not bury them, not intellectualize them, not stuff them, repress them, hold them, corral them, or otherwise bottle them. And again, our context here is the path of yoga as I would not ask such a question on the Open Carry forum.

So I’ll rephrase:-)
Can you, as a thinking being with will, with choice, can you have a feeling (let’s address only primary ones rather than their latter descriptors - so fear) and honor that feeling, be honest about it, without external rage, without blowing off steam, without splitting a gasket?

Or perhaps before that question, do you see the value in that or want to?

#42

I never like picking folk out from the crowd. But Surya Deva has been nothing but polite and respectful in the way he has crafted his responses since he arrived here.He has never once used rudness or sarcasm in order to appear to win an argument.I’ve learned a great deal from him particularly about Hinduism recently. Thankyou Surya Deva.Some of the reactions to his posts have been pretty odd to say the least.Hostile is’nt too strong a word.But it makes no sense on a yoga forum and i i feel tends to say alot about where folk may well be really at,especially in their practice. A sense of humour is good and okay. But attakhing folk without recourse to reason or logic or being well-informed enough on the subject field, or without basic respect and tolerance of another’s viewpoint is what kids do in playgrounds. And i think he deserves respect. .

Sorry Surya Deva. But I felt i had to say something.I know you can defend yourself.In fact that’s what you’re pretty good at.

‘Mindful evolution’ yes, not playground-level antics.

Thank you for your vote of confidence Core789 :slight_smile:

I will share knowledge about Hindusim with anybody who wants to know about it. As it is something which I have studied with passion and love for 10 years. If you have any questions please feel free to ask me and I will do my best to answer. If I don’t know something, I will direct you to those who do.

#43

[quote=InnerAthlete;33861]
Can you, as a thinking being with will, with choice, can you have a feeling (let’s address only primary ones rather than their latter descriptors - so fear) and honor that feeling, be honest about it, without external rage, without blowing off steam, without splitting a gasket? [/quote]
Prior to getting out a lot of what has been bottled up within me by expressing external rage, blowing off steam, and occasionally splitting a gasket, very rarely. I was too full of that goo to be able to detach from my ego. I could PRETEND that I was, but it was just an act.

I don’t for a second believe the way I proceeded is the only way. But it has been an affective way. Plenty of work to do yet, hahah.

So when people come to this forum who are sincere in their desire to practice yoga and are blowing gaskets, it’s pretty easy for me to feel compassionate and nurturing. And I must admit, it pains me to see those who present themselves as non violent do not create space for those people to heal. To me, that is violent.

Yes, I would prefer that people not cuss at each other on this forum. Yes, I would prefer that there be no personal attacks. But I feel that putting the bark collar on won’t help that person. I feel that, as you said, when the emotions ebb and wise teachers such as yourself see an opening (which is such an art within itself) then the person can be approached and the real work can begin.

P.S. For the record, I’ve seen severely traumatized dogs come back to being more loving as well :slight_smile:

P.P.S. I DO see value in what you’re saying. I just literally don’t know how to go about it as you do. I stand before you with my ears and heart open if you want to share. I’d love to have more tools for healing for not only myself, but to maybe one day share with others.

#44

[quote=Surya Deva;33869]Thank you for your vote of confidence Core789 :slight_smile:

I will share knowledge about Hindusim with anybody who wants to know about it. As it is something which I have studied with passion and love for 10 years. If you have any questions please feel free to ask me and I will do my best to answer. If I don’t know something, I will direct you to those who do.[/quote]

No big deal really! You’re welcome.:smiley:

It just seemed from this perspective that some of those more disparaging remarks made about you seemed misplaced and false, not to mention simply rude & unwarranted,unyogic, in my view.

Your knowledge of Hinduism & Yoga is indeed impressive…I have for one learned a great deal .And I hope you continue to shine your light on us all.An opportunity to learn no doubt.

#45

Hi David,

I think when you moderate a forum, you go down a pretty dodgy route.I think a forum should be able to moderate itself .This one certainly is. and many others.Spammers is different though,sure. I for one don’t see any problems here and it think it’s a great opportunity to learn or do some self-enquiry ourselves on what it is might be upsetting us or not…I’ve seen moderation on other forums and it’s not a pretty sight ,from how i have seen things,my perspective. I believe it has the over-all effect of inhibting folk that would otherwise post,folk that all too often have agreat dela to contribute but because their culture or views may be sufficietnly different then they are considered outsiders.It tends to result in a clique that forms that ends up cutting itself off from anyone that perhaps might not fit in.It also results in narrow-mindedness.Youu can see where it leads.

They do say variety is the spice of life,after all.

I’m proud of my oddballness. I think the world needs more of them. But that is just one perspective.

Too many folk just bow down to others or be nice to get along.I don’t believe in that. I think that’s weak and wrong.

This thread was about how we react to people-
I would encourage anyone to take up effective meditation technique as i have found it very helpful in understanding my own reactions and how to observe life without getting too embroiled up in it’s traps,that of reacting to anything that might seem unfavourable.The witness state is supreme for that.It’s just words on a screen and we can leave ourselves(smal S) out of it.

#46

[QUOTE=InnerAthlete;33842]@ David:
Then what you are saying is that you need to yell (bark) in order to be honest with yourself about your feelings? Okay. Then that is true for you. I don’t feel the same way.

@all:
Are clarifications needed, desired?
Is there a general sense that I pointed and called YOU barbarians, setting myself aside?
Is there a sense that less articulate people, or people with limited language skills, NEED profanity to lean on (not choose it out of preference or habit but NEED it)?
Are those people robbed of the ability to express themselves by the absence of such words or phrases?

I don’t believe people need superior skills, per se, in order to get along with others, or live in a civilized way, or to grow themselves in a variety of ways, which, by the way, isn’t for my direct benefit but for theirs. A refinement starts where you are. The bar is your own commitment to be something more than you were yesterday. Again, this is not for me, my direct benefit, my approval, my profit. This is not a place above others upon which I crouch. I perceived peers walking side by side, coming to a forum for yoga with the interest of making a difference, in their life, the life of others, and the cosmos.

I am not suggesting sophistication. I am merely pointing out that if we, collectively, as a group on the path of yoga, are professing to have interest in changing the world, changing ourselves, changing our context (hopefully for the better) then that process appears to be one moving away from our past of barbarism toward something more. This is aspiration. This is the rise of energy from the root of the spine, which represents our most primal, toward the heart center.

It is fine to choose to remain in the root chakra. But it is, to say the least, a bit odd to remain there (by choice) and claim an interest in transformation.[/QUOTE]

Wow, there’s some good points here. I love this Forum.

#47

Yes. My practices are applied. Or at the very least have been applied.

So there!

Now its out in the Open. Now everybody knows.

I am the YOGI MASTA!!!

*levitates out of the thread

#48

Can a forum have much effect on people’s lives or the world?. well, Possible.

I think a forum should be about equal sharing.Anyone that feels inhibited or is left out is a loss to the forum.

#49

[quote=The Scales;33904]Yes. My practices are applied. Or at the very least have been applied.

So there!

Now its out in the Open. Now everybody knows.

I am the YOGI MASTA!!!

*levitates out of the thread[/quote]

Talk about practices is better than theoretical philosophy.