[QUOTE=AmirMourad;59210]Surya,
says every other spiritual master and tradition is lying
No, not every other spiritual master. And I have given you several examples of masters who were awakened. There are countless beyond number, and yet there are also those who are considered masterswho have been absolutely asleep. For Jews, Moses is a great master. For Christians, Jesus is a great master. I cannot consider these people awakened, for various reasons. But if you are speaking of Lao Tzu, Chuang Tzu, Gautama Buddha, Mahakasyapa, Mahavira, Shankara, Patanjali, Milarepa, Tilopa, Naropa, Kabir, Bodhidharma, Huike, Rinzai, Matsu, Hakuin, Joshu, Hui-Neng, Ramana Maharishi, or Jiddu Krishnamurti, then that is an entirely different matter.[/quote]
Jesus and moses are prophets not masters. Christians and Jews do not have a notion of “master” This is a tradition exclusive to the East and originated in the guru-shishya tradition of Hinduism.
Lao Tzu etc, are masters in your opinion. Moreover you pick and choose what you want to believe about these masters again according to your opinion. You consider Buddha a master, but Buddha has been recorded to have performed many miracles and had many supernatural powers. You consider Patanjali a master, but Patanjali has dedicated an entire chapter on how to awaken supernatural powers. You reject such things exist, therefore you are claiming Buddha and Patanjali are lying.
You basically pick and choose whatever you want to believe from every source you have read, fabricate stories to explain the discrepancies away by saying some of the siddhis Patanjali mentioned are real, some are symbolic and some are lies, thereby falsifying his work. No doubt you will explain Buddha’s recorded miracles and supernatural powers as fabricated by Buddhists later, but ironically will cite from those same works stories of Buddha.
Then present your opinion like they are facts. However, like with everything you claim - you have no evidence to prove they are facts. We simply have to accept it is true because you are enlightened and anything you say is therefore nothing but the truth.
By the way I noticed your master list no longer includes Ramakrishna 
Care to explain why you have dropped him now.
I do not consider anything that you have mentioned as the critereon for being awakened. Alexander the Great and Adolf Hitler were even far more active than these people, with many more followers, but they were as asleep as sleep can be. Moses is also tremendously respected as a great master amongst millions of Jews, but he too is in a deep sleep. Enlightenment is not a popularity contest. Vivekananda is famous because he managed to satisfy the ego`s of the Indian people - who consider asceticism and renunciation as indications of being a great saint, the same reason why they accepted Mahatma Gandhi as a Mahatma. The fact is that, as far as the masses are concerned, what is important is not whether one is awakened or not, but whether you are capable of identifying with a certain personality.
Alexandra the great is generally considered a warrior, not a master.
Hilter is generally considered a political leader, not a master.
Moses is generally considered a prophet, not a master.
Gandhi is generally considered a political leader and freedom fighter, not a master. He is called Mahatma because of the great work he did in the freedom struggle. Mahatma means “great soul” It is respectful title given to him.
On the other hand Swami Vivekananda and Swami Ramakrishna are considered great masters. However, above all they have something to show for themselves. Swami Vivekananda revived Hinduism in India and made Yoga and Vedanta famous in the West. His famous speech at the first World Parlianment of religion in Chicago got a 5 min standing ovation and made him an overnight success. His disciples included the famous physicist nicole Telsa. He popularized the practice of service and karma yoga in India and created a lot of humanitarian work projects, campaigned against the caste system and work towards the upliftment of the poor, illiterate and low castes in India. His work still continues to inspire many Indians today.
You are putting yourself in the same class as these masters. But what do you have to show for yourself? Amir who?
As I have said before, Buddhism is just as much a hallucination as Hinduism or any other belief system.
Yet everything you say, quotes, teachings, parables, stories comes from these traditions. If they are hallucinations, then why do you quote so profusely from them? That is because you pick and and choose what is a hallucination based on your likes and dislikes.
There is no other criteria. In Amir’s world Amir is king. In our world Amir is a fool.
First, what you are saying is just nonsense because what you are calling Buddhism is a vague word. In that word, it can mean so many different things depending on which stream of Buddhism you are following, each with has their own opinion, belief, and philosophy. So understand, what you are calling Buddhism is not a fixed thing. There are a thousand and one things which I do not agree with many Buddhists. Though Gautama Buddha himself was not a follower of any particular tradition - these Buddhists continue clinging to their tradition as though it were the ultimate. Gautama Buddha was not following any tradition - his search was entirely in darkness, investigating into things out of ones own intelligence. Some, such as the Hinayanists, have reduced their work down to a mere following of moral rules. Others, such as the the Mahayanists, are just as deluded as the Hinayanists in that they are just as convinced that what they are teaching is the original teaching of the Buddha. The Yogacara school of Buddhism are idealists, clinging to the philosophy that everything is of the nature of Consciousness. The Pure Land Buddhists are entangled in this childish idea that simply through repeating the name of Amitabha Buddha and having faith in him, that ones enlightenment is to be ensured in the afterlife in the paradise of the Pure Land. Moreso, the Buddhists are still following a tradition which is 2,500 years old, which may have been effective at a certain time and place, but has today become out of date. Buddhists are still living the way Gautama Buddha was living, with all of their countless rules and observances which a monk has to follow, which are so many in number that - rather than assisting one towards ones awakening, they only help you to become even more deeply programmed. Particularly when you are intiated into the tradition as a child. They think that by simply following everything that Gautama Buddha was doing, that they can recreate the same situation which had given rise to Gautama Buddhas awakening - not realizing that imitating a Buddha will never make you a Buddha. As long as the mind is attached to a particular system or discipline, then one is in a kind of slavery.
You could have just given a link to wikipedia on Buddhism and saved yourself from typing out all of that superfluous info which I had to skim read. I have noticed you name drop a lot and give a lot of information which does not drive the discussion any further. It’s all part of your enlightenment act.
If I am mentioning stories from various different traditions, it is not because I agree with those traditions. Those stories are living examples which have nothing to do with tradition. And if you want, I can also mention stories from Christianity, Islam, or Judaism, which I find to be filled with enormous insight. If you just have eyes to see beyond the veil of tradition - you will see that they have nothing to do with tradition. They are direct encounters with existence itself. That is why enlightenment is not the property of any religion. It is a human phenomenon. Christians have had a taste of it, some Muslims have had a taste of it, certain Qabalists have had a taste of it, Hindus, Buddhists, Jains, Sikhs, atheists have had a taste of it - it is something which simply has to do with mans exploration into himself.
Those stories come from the tradition. If you think the tradition is a hallucination then why cite from the traditions. Again, it’s Amir picking and choosing what he likes and dislikes and then presenting it as fact.
In Amir’s world, Amir is king. In our world Amir is a fool.
By the way you state things like “Enlightenment is not a property of a religion” as if this is your exclusive wisdom. Actually if you ask about 90% of this forum they will tell you they already know this. This includes me.
Both Western and Eastern philosophies are none other than figments of the imagination.
Then why do you constantly cite from Eastern philosophy if it all just imagination? Again, because you pick and choose whatever suits you.
My search began simply through practice. In the beginning it was simply out of depression and an escape from the sufferings of life. It took me six months to witness any result from the methods. It took me one year to completely dissolve the depression. Beyond this, I found that it was still not satisfying. So I continued to dig deeper and over a course of five years, I eventually came to nirvikalpa samadhi. This whole process had nothing to do with tradition - I have never followed any tradition, religion, or philosophy. It was simply a scientific exploration into my own being
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Well you certainly did not invent those methods, you obviously learned them by reading books. This is where you got your knowledge from too. I can understand what happend now. You were depressed and then became exposed to Eastern and new age concepts, this captured your imagination. And from this your weaved a world of fantasy of Zen, masters, buddhahood, disciples, awakenings with you playing the lead role and this gave you a renewned sense of self worth - in fact it went to the extreme - a grandiose sense of self worth.
You experienced something after 5 years which you called nirvikalpa samadhi, but of course it is not the nirvikalpa samadhi which the Yoga sutras describe where it was first ever mentioned, otherwise you would be a god-like being now - you know teleport and all the works. You so wanted to be enlightened because it was crucial to your vision of yourself as master, that you allowed fantasy to substitute for reality.
That is my own insight, it has nothing to do with Zen.
Zen is older than Amir. Most of your citations come from Zen, so we know you are very well read in Zen. The first books you read were Zen. It is a well known Zen concept that we are already Buddhas and we need to transcend the duality of language to come to an instant awakening. You are basically plagiarising Zen.
Part of my whole teaching is not to become satisfied with any particular experience, mistaking it to be the ultimate. So no - it is not a question of collecting experiences. If all that you are interested in is mere experiences, then such experiences will bind you like a rope and prevent you from liberation. That is not the spirit of a meditative consciousness. Even if a paradise arises on the scene of ones experience, remain a witnessing consciousness without becoming identified.
You experienced something you wanted to believe was Nirvikalpa samadhi. You want it so much and I can imagine after 5 years of practice you must have become frustrated that you’re not enlightened yet. So fantasy substituted for reality and you labelled some relatively mundane attainment, which most experienced yogis probably consider nothing to write home about as nirvirkalpa samadhi.
This kind of delusion happens when you don’t have a teacher to validate it.
To know them personally is not needed. That enlightenment has always been a very rare phenomenon, in spite of so many people striving for it, shows that there is basically something wrong with most of the spiritual traditions.
If Amir can do it, why not anybody else?
More nonsense. Enlightenment is not a social status. One enlightened master used to live amongst beggars under a bridge in order to mature his awakening. He left a small number of followers before his lineage eventually died out. Other masters have not even been recognized - not even their names are recorded in history. Enlightenment is not a social affair, and this idea that one must do humanitarian work in order to be enlightened is simply idiotic. Although I agree that one must assist others once one has settled one`s own condition - that is not the critereon for enlightenment. Otherwise, any idiot who does social service to others is enlightened. If there can be people who are not enlightened doing humanitarian work, then there is no cosmic law by nature that an enlightened being must serve others.
Again you pick and choose who is a master and who is enlightened. If you are enlightened you will realise humanity is your wider self. It is impossible to be enlightened and not serve humanity. Why this is the case I have already proven, our natural state is love, compassion, wisdom, calmess. One cannot be compassionate and loving and apathetic at the same time.
What you call enlightenment is what in modern language we call narcissicism and socio-pathic. I know you are not enlightened simply from what you say. You carry no mark of an enlightenment person - but what you do carry the mark of:
In Amir worlds, Amir is a king. In our world Amir is a fool.
I am just an ordinary person who has come to know himself, through and through.
You are not ordinary because you claim to be the Buddha. To this you will say we are all Buddha, but we don’t know it yet, and you do. However, you also say this is incredibly rare. Therefore you certainly make claims to being extraordinay in that you are a rare person who has realised it.
What you have come to know is nothing more than a small portion of your nature. You don’t know the full nature, in fact not even of the body, forget the mind. And if you do know the full nature of the body, then you should know what cancer is, what causes it and how we can cure it Do that and the whole world will become your disciple.
What do you have to show for yourself? Amir who?
Care to explain why you have dropped him now.