Meher Baba sounds basically like a dude who had a messiah complex. I was reading about him in Paul Brunton’s book, ‘A Search in Secret India’ He was one of the many gurus that Brunton investigated, and though with others he found actual evidence of real abilities, Meher Baba he found to be loony. Meher Baba told Brunton he would appoint him as his principal ambassador to announce him to the whole world and would give him his great powers so that he can do his works for him. Well, suffice it to say, nothing happened.
[I]amir mourad writes:
The God of the Muslims is incompatible with any other religion - because if you dont accept that the Prophet Muhammed is the last messenger of God, and that the God he represents is the One and Only true God, then you have gone astray from the path. These are two pillars which are essential in Islam - the belief in one and only One God, and that the Prophet Muhammed is the last messenger of this God. This means that if you reject the teachings of prophet muhammed, then you have rejected God himself. [/I]
My quoting on this one is:
Sounds like when usa said either you are with us or against us.Forcing people to take side.
There is but one God and you or I or Maha Baba aint it.
First I’m going to need to see some miracles and wonders, and thats only to get me to slightly interested before we take this assertion any farther.
And if we do go any further in this relationship you better have, up your sleeve, the ability to form a galaxy or I shall lay down my hammer upon thee.
Melchizedek: you know what the yogis consider god as? energy from what ive read.
and we are all made of atoms. And you and the stone is same and both have consciousness otherwise the atoms in the stone would not be held together. So i would say energy and consciousness.
Just like raindrops are falling they believe they are individual drops before the join the stream and become one.
The story of Jada-Bharata occurs in detail in the Shrimad Bhagavatam, Canto 5, chapters 7 to 14.
Jada-Bharata replied, [I]“You see, King, this is the earth. It seems as though a man is walking on it, but the foot of the man who walks on the earth is also made of the same earth.[/I] The knees are above the feet, the waist is above the knees, and the shoulders are above the waist. A palanquin is placed on the shoulder and a man is seated in the palanquin. All of these are but modifications of the earth only. Consider a hammer and anvil. Both are in essence made of iron, even then, to our eyes, the hammer is not anvil and the anvil is not the hammer, both are different. Therefore, because of being different modifications, there is scope for interaction between the two. One beats and the other gets beaten up. Even then, essentially, the iron neither beats nor gets beaten. It is only two modifications of iron interacting with each other, leaving the iron itself essentially untouched.”
Jada-Bharata replied, “You see, King, this is the earth. It seems as though a man is walking on it, but the foot of the man who walks on the earth is also made of the same earth. The knees are above the feet, the waist is above the knees, and the shoulders are above the waist. A palanquin is placed on the shoulder and a man is seated in the palanquin. All of these are but modifications of the earth only. Consider a hammer and anvil. Both are in essence made of iron, even then, to our eyes, the hammer is not anvil and the anvil is not the hammer, both are different. Therefore, because of being different modifications, there is scope for interaction between the two. One beats and the other gets beaten up. Even then, essentially, the iron neither beats nor gets beaten. It is only two modifications of iron interacting with each other, leaving the iron itself essentially untouched.”
That is a great explanation.
Effectively, all is that one infinite consciousness. You, I, rocks, stars, planets, atoms, quarks, electrons, energy, strings. There is no duality.
[QUOTE=fakeyogis;74898]Melchizedek: you know what the yogis consider god as? energy from what ive read.
and we are all made of atoms. And you and the stone is same and both have consciousness otherwise the atoms in the stone would not be held together. So i would say energy and consciousness.
Just like raindrops are falling they believe they are individual drops before the join the stream and become one.
The story of Jada-Bharata occurs in detail in the Shrimad Bhagavatam, Canto 5, chapters 7 to 14.
Jada-Bharata replied, [I]“You see, King, this is the earth. It seems as though a man is walking on it, but the foot of the man who walks on the earth is also made of the same earth.[/I] The knees are above the feet, the waist is above the knees, and the shoulders are above the waist. A palanquin is placed on the shoulder and a man is seated in the palanquin. All of these are but modifications of the earth only. Consider a hammer and anvil. Both are in essence made of iron, even then, to our eyes, the hammer is not anvil and the anvil is not the hammer, both are different. Therefore, because of being different modifications, there is scope for interaction between the two. One beats and the other gets beaten up. Even then, essentially, the iron neither beats nor gets beaten. It is only two modifications of iron interacting with each other, leaving the iron itself essentially untouched.”[/QUOTE]
You know what I consider God?
GOD. Also - God is not the Creation.
If we are deluded in a certain way, then those delusions color the information that comes to us, and we, often times see what we want to see.
Surya Deva I see your perverse viewpoint creeping in here.
“I am God.” Someday you’ll see but first you must suffer
[QUOTE=Melchizedek;75030]Surya Deva I see your perverse viewpoint creeping in here. “I am God.” Someday you’ll see but first you must suffer[/QUOTE]
The mind is finite the absolute is not, what you write is beyond mind accessible through the experience of silence, there is no separation, you are the source, remove the maya and realize the misidentification.
[QUOTE=ray_killeen;75035]The mind is finite the absolute is not, what you write is beyond mind accessible through the experience of silence, there is no separation, you are the source, remove the maya and realize the misidentification.[/QUOTE]
The “Universal Father” is the source, the support, the power, and the glory.
From him comes all - and upon his might does all things rest.
Man is but a speck and nothing but delusion and vanity rests upon him.
[QUOTE=Melchizedek;75102]The “Universal Father” is the source, the support, the power, and the glory.
From him comes all - and upon his might does all things rest.
Man is but a speck and nothing but delusion and vanity rests upon him.[/QUOTE]
You speak as though this “universal father” is a personal being?
[QUOTE=ray_killeen;75140]You speak as though this ?universal father? is a personal being?[/QUOTE]
Yes.
Universal Father/ The Eternal Son / The Infinite Spirit = Triune Diety or GOD.
Ishvara is a “Creator Son of God.” As it is written - The Lord incarnated on the mortal plane for the 7th time about 2012 years ago. He was known as Yeshua.
Upon completion of his mission he took over soverign control of this universe, a universe which in the begining - he created.
I’m always vexed when someone says "there is no God."
I don’t get it. Seriously. It’s astonishing.
I don’t understand how such a conclusion is come to. Please. Anyone. Help me to understand, if that is your point of view, how you came to it.
[QUOTE=Melchizedek;75178]
I’m always vexed when someone says "there is no God."
I don’t get it. Seriously. It’s astonishing.
I don’t understand how such a conclusion is come to. Please. Anyone. Help me to understand, if that is your point of view, how you came to it.[/QUOTE]
Mindful definitions of god are relative; truth of the miracle happening within consciousness is self-evident.
I don’t understand how such a conclusion is come to. Please. Anyone. Help me to understand, if that is your point of view, how you came to it.
Why do you bother to ask? You already believe you know everything and pity those who do not share your beliefs.
I certainly do not share most of your beliefs, I think they are childish.
The Lord incarnated on the mortal plane for the 7th time about 2012 years ago. He was known as Yeshua.
And you know that how? You believe it, you don’t actually know it. Though you are one of those annoying proselytizing types that try to throw their beliefs in other peoples faces by presenting them as 100% truth and fact. You have no evidence, proof or reason - you just shout a lot.
Upon completion of his mission he took over soverign control of this universe, a universe which in the begining - he created.
Right, so this fictitious lord father of yours created a universe. Then we went on a mission to incarnate on Earth as Jesus, got crucified and spat on by humans, then returned from his mission and retook control of this universe.
And who was running the universe when he was on his mission 
This is a kind of story a 5 year old would come up with. It is insulting to ones intelligence in my opinion to believe this.
[QUOTE=Surya Deva;75183]You already believe you know everything and pity those who do not share your beliefs.[/QUOTE]
I should read back through Melchizedek?s post, he seems to be mixing and intertwining a variety of religious beliefs instead of being steeped in one faith.
[QUOTE=ray_killeen;75181]Mindful definitions of god are relative; truth of the miracle happening within consciousness is self-evident.[/QUOTE]
I just had a big miracle this morning.
[QUOTE=Surya Deva;75183]Why do you bother to ask? You already believe you know everything and pity those who do not share your beliefs.
And you know that how? You believe it, you don’t actually know it. Though you are one of those annoying proselytizing types that try to throw their beliefs in other peoples faces by presenting them as 100% truth and fact. You have no evidence, proof or reason - you just shout a lot.[/QUOTE]
I don’t know everything, that would be impossible.
And I do pity those who don’t have truth, and light and love.
I don’t sojurn long in the areas of belief. Belief without evidence is foolish. If I have a belief, I call it a theory until over the course of time and through investigation it is proven one way or the other.
In terms of God and Religion and Spiritual Matters . . . I am wholly intereseted, and zealously pursue and wholly sincere, and things that you haven’t seen and [I]indeed[/I] - things that you wouldn’t believe - have been revealed to me in various ways.
You have had little to no revelation because of your present condition. So you wander the desert…
If you would only pick up a bible, open your mind, and start reading without bias you’d find - it’s all in there - even yoga.
So now.
Can someone explain to me thier rationale for the statement “there is no God.” I’d like to hear multiple views and opinions because, well, I’m interested. I honestly don’t get it.
[QUOTE=ray_killeen;75186]I should read back through Melchizedek?s post, he seems to be mixing and intertwining a variety of religious beliefs instead of being steeped in one faith.[/QUOTE]
My interest is in truth. Not belief.
Have you read the bible?
[QUOTE=Surya Deva;75184]Right, so this fictitious lord father of yours created a universe. Then we went on a mission to incarnate on Earth as Jesus, got crucified and spat on by humans, then returned from his mission and retook control of this universe.
And who was running the universe when he was on his mission
This is a kind of story a 5 year old would come up with. It is insulting to ones intelligence in my opinion to believe this.[/QUOTE]
I would encourage you to read first the book of Urantia.
Then the Holy Bible.
It’s all in there.
as to your query “who was running the universe while he was away?”
If i remember right it was a divine being known as an Anchient of Days appointed to the role of steward who in council with one of the Phases of God, and I would speculate the Creator Son that ruled over the affairs of this Universe.
The various incarnations are taken - as I understand them are for the purposes of experience - among other things. Once the final incarnation is given up. The Lord “Ascends to the Father” and I would imagine there’s a party. Then he takes over the reigns.
[QUOTE=Melchizedek;75195]I just had a big miracle this morning.[/QUOTE]
I’ve never experienced the miracle ceasing, conscious/dream/sleep/beyond.
[QUOTE=Melchizedek;75197]Have you read the bible?[/QUOTE]
Yes