Calm rational discussion regarding Hinduism and Abrahamic religions

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#145

Yes, which goes to show that the conversation I had in preschool with another boy about how my dad could beat up his dad lives on in “adults”.

There is a truth in this of course. If one person dad is a weaking and the other persons dad is a strong person, then of course the person with the strong person’s dad is going to beat the the person with the weak dad.

Everything in the universe has a scale going from inferior grade to superior grade. Some people are weak, and some people are strong. Some people are ugly, and some people are beautuful. Some people are dumb, and some people are intelligent. Some people have dull concentration and some people have razor sharp concentration. Some people are immoral and some people are moral.

We do the same thing with fashion, jewelry and food. Some people wear cheap clothes from the flea market, and some people wear designer clothes. Some people wear fake 2kt gold and and some people wear 24kt pure gold. Some people eat junk food and some people eat the finest gourmet food.

It is the same with everything else. Some religions are inferior and some religions are superior.

I see no reason to be politically correct about these things. Heirarchy is very much a natural law of the world.

Regarding observation I absolutely agree. I find in regular life when I let go of everything and simply observe it puts me in touch with a higher aspect of myself. I simply accept what is around me and allow it to be. Including the unpleasentness around me. However, it does not make me passive, but rather it makes me more dynamic. I not only observe but respond more appropriately.

We have a choice we can either observe this world as it is and just leave it at that or act to change it into something more pleasent. According to me as long as 2 billion people practice primitive, barbaric and stupid Abrahamic religions, this world is not going to change for the better. When 2 billion people practice a noble and enlightened religion like Hinduism and the world is modelled on those principles, will there be peace and prosperity in this world.

I have many spiritual friends who are non-Hindu who agree that the Abrahamic religions have to go. They have no place in a modern, scientific and civilised world.

#146

[QUOTE=David;35915]I’ve gone ahead and edited the thread title in an effort to bring a little satya to this thread.[/QUOTE]

Or maybe we should settle that issue once and for all? We could pick 10 people to each team - Hindu vs. Abrahmaic. They would compete in several categories: prayer, rituals, philosophical inquiry etc. And maybe also the category or awesomeness. The jury would select winning religion and losers would have to feel ashame and convert!

Like in this clip:

#147

Surya Deva posted before that “Hinduism is the only true tolerant religion on this planet.”

The facts seem to infirm this. Look at the persecution of Christians in India:

http://www.gfa.org/news/articles/after-two-years-full-horror-orissa-attacks-emerging-christians-still-under-siege/

#148

Namaste Oak,

Yes historically Hinduism indeed has been the tolerant religion on the planet. It contains no conversion doctrines and it has co-existed with other religions for thousands of years. However, modern Hindus are certainly angry that despite the tolerance that they show, Islamic and Chrisistian terrorists continue to ravage India and disturb the peace of Hindus. Not to mention the anti-Hindu propoganda that is openly spread by Islamic and Christian elements in India. This has lead to some misguided Hindus reacting using violence.

Personally, I condemn this kind of violence and the people who do it. Hinduism is a religion that teaches ahimsa so there is no justification for what some of these misguided Hindu people have done.

#149

[QUOTE=Surya Deva;35615]

Hinduism is not tolerant towards adharma. Read the Hindu texts they explicitly mention the demon religions of people outside India, that the Hindus called asura or mlecchas. Krishna explicitly says that he himself incarnates to destroy adharma.

[/QUOTE]

Well isn’t this the same thing as the ‘intolerance’ of other religions? Can’t have it both ways.

#150

The difference is, Ckarmakat, Hindus choose to coexist with these relgions. However, there is a tradition of debate in Hinduism, and therefore Hindus will gladly destroy these religions in a debate. This is how Buddhism was vanquished from India. The great Adisankarachrya went around India challenging Buddhists and other religions at the time, including Hindu philosophical schools to formal debates, and they lost, so they ended up joining his samapradaya.

I have done nothing different in this thread by taking up the offer for a Hinduism vs Abrahamic religion and conclusively showing the superiority of the former over the latter. The only difference is because the people who support Abrahamic religions do not value honesty, they will not admit that this has indeed been done and pigs will fly before they join the winning camp :smiley:

#151

[QUOTE=Surya Deva;35616] Hindusim is a superior religion and it does indeed make other religions look primitive and stupid. This is a fact. We Hindus are a superior civilisation, and the sooner you recognise this, the better it is for the future of our world. Abrahamic religions are as oudated as the dinosaurs.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Surya Deva;35774]
I am arguing for the superiority of the worlds only true religion: Hindusim.[/QUOTE]

The assumption of superiority = judgment over others = intolerance.

Killing and raping are not requisites of intolerance:

in?tol?er?ance
?noun

  1. lack of toleration; unwillingness or refusal to tolerate or respect contrary opinions or beliefs, persons of different races or backgrounds, etc.
  2. incapacity or indisposition to bear or endure: intolerance to heat.
  3. abnormal sensitivity or allergy to a food, drug, etc.
  4. an intolerant act.

Intolerance of others belief systems is one reason I choose not to practice a religion.

If Hinduism is indeed a tolerant religion then I can only presume that you are not practicing correctly.

#152

Pepsi is superior to coke! Yeah, you heard me!

Wow, I must be so intolerant to say that :wink:

#153

[QUOTE=Surya Deva;35960]Pepsi is superior to coke! Yeah, you heard me!

Wow, I must be so intolerant to say that ;)[/QUOTE]

If that is your response to intolerance then I can only assume that you equate Hinduism to Pepsi. And in the overall scheme of things Pepsi is rather insignificant… Is that it?

Big difference between a personal preference between coke and Pepsi and religious intolerance… or maybe not… it all may all just be a personal preference after all…

#154

:smiley:

The point is that there is always going to be something which is superior to something else. To call people intolerant for saying something is superior is therefore absurd.

Hinduism is obviously superior because it is the only religion that has no history of violence against other religions. It is the only religion whose actual religious practices work. It is the only religion that is backed up by science and actually has a scientific method for producing knowledge.

I am simply calling a spade a spade. Like I said before, I am immune to the postmodern disease of political correctness and relativism.

#155

[QUOTE=Surya Deva;35983]
Hinduism is obviously superior because it is the only religion that has no history of violence against other religions.[/QUOTE]

Unfortunately I am not adept in Druid history, but does anyone happen to know of any history of violence in Druidism?

#156

The point is that there is always going to be something which is superior to something else. To call people intolerant for saying something is superior is therefore absurd.

Hinduism is obviously superior because it is the only religion that has no history of violence against other religions. It is the only religion whose actual religious practices work. It is the only religion that is backed up by science and actually has a scientific method for producing knowledge.

I am simply calling a spade a spade. Like I said before, I am immune to the postmodern disease of political correctness and relativism.[/QUOTE]

Would it be absurd to say someone is/was intolerant for stating one race of people was superior to others?

And you still have not answered my previous question either, so let me rephrase

Do you feel that Hinduism should be thought of at the same as Pepsi?

#157

I never said any race of people were more superior than others. There is only one race: the human race.

I already answered your question. The Pepsi example was merely to illustrate that saying x is superior than y is not in itself intolerant.

#158

[QUOTE=CkarmaKat;35984]Unfortunately I am not adept in Druid history, but does anyone happen to know of any history of violence in Druidism?[/QUOTE]

Drudism is an offshoot of ancient Aryan(Hindu) religion. Although Drudism did have many good things about it, there were human sacrifices in Drudism.

The Druids or celts were one of the tribes of ancient India which were expelled from India because of the inhumane practices.

#159

Namaste,

I think some people on this forum need to realise, and I am sure those who are impartial and can see merit in what I am saying already have realised, that I want exactly the same thing that everybody else wants. That is peace, harmony and prosperity for this planet. The difference is I am being real about it, and the others on this forum are not.

They are pretending that there already is peace, harmony and prosperity and nothing needs to be changed other than our belief that we should all just coexist with one another. What they do not realise opposites never can coexist with one another. Fire cannot coexist with water and light cannot coexist with darkness. It is not coexistence we need to bring peace, harmony and prosperity to this planet. It is resolution. Those differences that separate us need to fight it out and resolve themselves and the synthesis that remains will take us further and there will be progress.

This needs to be done by actual worldwide formal debates between religions. The winning religion becomes the religion of the world.

#160

And there would be absolutely no doubt in a worldwide formal debate Hindusim would emerge victorious. This is because Hinduism is falsifiable and testable. You can test whether reincarnation is true or not, but you cannot test judgement day and skeletons rising from their graves. You can test Yoga and meditation, but you cannot test baptism and praying 5 times a day.

It is high time the Abrahamic religions get formally challenged by Hindu masters to a formal worldwide debate. The loser accepts their religion is false and converts to Hinduism on the spot.

#161

[QUOTE=Surya Deva;35986]I never said any race of people were more superior than others. There is only one race: the human race.

I already answered your question. The Pepsi example was merely to illustrate that saying x is superior than y is not in itself intolerant.[/QUOTE]

Actually you did not answer my question, but that’s OK.

By definition intolerance is not defined as a personal preference like choosing Coke over Pepsi it is however this

Intolerance

  1. Lack of toleration; unwillingness or refusal to tolerate or respect contrary opinions or beliefs, persons of different races or backgrounds, etc.
  2. Incapacity or indisposition to bear or endure: intolerance to heat.
  3. Abnormal sensitivity or allergy to a food, drug, etc.
  4. An intolerant act.

And by what you have been posting it may be Religious intolerance but to be honest I am not certain. It is most certainly elitist but I am not sure it is Intolerance, but it might be and by the following it likely is

Forms of Religious Intolerance:

  • Inter-faith intolerance (e.g. a Hindu - Christian conflict)
  • Intra-faith intolerance (e.g. Shi’ite vs. Sunni Muslims)
  • Intolerance by from a faith group against a secular group (e.g. Christian fundamentalists vs. Agnostics, Atheists, Humanists, Homosexuals
    Transsexuals, loving, committed same-sex couples who wish to marry, etc.)
    Intolerance by a secular group against a religious group. (e.g. feminists vs. some organized religions)

Either way it is not the same as a personal preference based on a taste of a soda such as Pepsi or Coke

#162

Tolerance does not mean agreement. I am tolerant in that I will let you believe and practice your religion and still be your best friend. That does not mean I agree with you. If you agreed to debate with me. Trust me, I would leave no stone unturned in demolishing your religion particle by particle :smiley:

This is exactly how it was done in Hindu India. Every school existed in India from hedonism, atheism, satanism, nihilism, relativism, materialism, realism, idealism, dualism, non dualism, mysticism and various grades in between, and nobody ever got persecuted. Everybody had freedom to believe whatever they wanted. However, when it came to formal debates, they were ruthless and lethal. If you could not demonstrate a single one of your points with valid evidence you would lose instantly.

So to summarize. I am tolerant in that I accept your right to believe and practice what you want. But if you make the mistake of debating with me, I will be very ruthless. I assure you of that. You already have had a taste of it. The fact of the matter is your religion does not stand up to reason.

#163

[QUOTE=Surya Deva;35990]
This needs to be done by actual worldwide formal debates between religions. The winning religion becomes the religion of the world.[/QUOTE]

Well that’s scary… we shall force everyone to ‘believe’ a certain way? No thank you! lol

In order to have order, chaos must also exist.

#164

[QUOTE=CkarmaKat;35994]Well that’s scary… we shall force everyone to ‘believe’ a certain way? No thank you! lol

In order to have order, chaos must also exist.[/QUOTE]

So, when Hinduism takes over the world can I choose which caste I can belong to? Is this done by committee? I place dibs on one of the funner upper castes with lots of money and privileges. After seeing ‘Slumdog Millionaire’ I don’t think I can make it as an untouchable. I have a low smell tolerance.