Changing 'I' and 'You' statements

Spirituality
#12

stop using self identifying words. and you will stop identifying. this can be taken very far.
Im going to the store. becomes going to the store.
we good? becomes good?
Use of articulation will increase.
Tone of voice eventually will be necessary as well as body language.
Eventually a psychic knowing will be needed.
One of the highest forms of communication is to communicate purely through the eyes.

It just depends how far you want to take it.
I.me.mine.ours.yours.his.hers.we.myself.yourself. etc. all these are words of identification. :stuck_out_tongue:

#13

“I” once read an article that was talking about sexism in job titles and recommending that we remove Man or Men from all titles and substitute gen which was to be considered gender neutral.

Policegen, Firegen, Mailgen, etc.

Of course “Me” being “me” thought that Mailgen could also be considered sexist based on pronunciation therefore it should be Gengen… then since “I” am “I” i quickly thought the whole thing was silly

What do “You” think

Cogito ergo sum

#14

I like what this is saying - We all have to realize separation from the self.
The reason for you, me, any of us have a self - we are conscious, selfish-minded, selfish-motivated, so no wonder our language comes through in such a way.

Lena Ausby

#15

Hi Folks,

If you haven’t read it yet… One of my heroes.

I Am That: Talks with Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj

peace,

siva

#16

[QUOTE=Surya Deva;73668]On the other hand, the statement, “The body that I have is beautiful” creates a separation between you and your body. The fact that the body is beautiful, does not mean you are beautiful. It is a credit to the body. Thus you can never develop the problem of vanity.[/QUOTE]my mind loves the way your mind thinks :smiley:

#17

The Rastas seem to have come to this awareness long ago. They say “the I” for I and “I and I” for we.

#18

Some actually experience pain when saying I, me, or mine. This person or the I works much better for some. Give thanks to the enlightened crowd called the Rastas.

#19

I believe it is important to understand that we aren’t the bodies we use. However, it is important to not make the mistake of getting caught up in an assertive intellectual understanding of this fact rather than a genuine knowing.

Because of experiences I’ve had I’m quite certain that I am not my body, yet in some ways I still identify with it. I don’t know if it is possible to have a healthy and balanced complete non-identification with a body while we are using one.

Regarding how we can’t take credit for our body looking beautiful-good body maintenance aside-that’s a good point that I haven’t considered. Thank you for mentioning it.

I believe it is significant to add that a mind’s image of how a body looks is quite a different thing than what a body actually is. In truth a body is a collection of biological organs that are surrounded by a large number of skin cells. The related biochemical processes have little to do with a statement such as, “Man she’s hot.”

I’ve found it helpful to meditate on how I can’t share love with another person’s body, body image, or sexual energy. I can only share love with the spirit being of such a person. When we share love in this way it is irrelevant which body a soul is occupying.

#20

:smiley: this one made me laugh oh yes I i i did. As long as one knows the difference who cares? The difference has been well pointed out in this thread so the only things I have to add is as long as one knows the difference then it becomes a difference that makes no differAAnce, therefore use the tools of I, me, mine so others wearing bodies may understand you an not make communication even harder.

There are too many word languages now as it is why create more with fine distinctions of i me and mine?

If somene sees you as being drowned in ego because you use the term I, Me & Mine and has an issue with it how does the old saying go? don’t fault me for the splinter in my eye when you have yet to remove the plank from your own.

Just tools for communication. Knowing the difference yourself is what matters not silly words. Besides that these are the tools we have been given to use to communicate.

I would like to read one post on this forum or any other wher the ego is totaly absent as a tool for communication. The reply to this challenge is not possible.

Meditate and the differences become known.

#21

I sometimes forget to write “I” when typing. Sometimes when meditating deeply I’ll refer to myself in third person for example calling myself “he” or “we” lol.

#22

Hulk think you not going too deep, hmmm Hulk forgot what Hulk writing. where was we? Oh Hulk got it, Hulk Smash! :slight_smile:

#23

[QUOTE=siva;73998]kareng,

Just say…“I am not my body,” and the rest goes away.

siva[/QUOTE]

I am, which I have always been and which I shall always be. What is left to be done? Or, undone? And who is to do it? And for what purpose? ~Unknown Canadian

#24

I am what I am and that is all that I am

#25

[QUOTE=ray_killeen;77839]I am, which I have always been and which I shall always be. What is left to be done? Or, undone? And who is to do it? And for what purpose? ~Unknown Canadian[/QUOTE]

Ray,

The first part is true. The rest, to me, is convoluted.

Maybe you can elaborate?

SCMT,

I am “what,” and “that is”…??? (I am what, that is…???)

How about…“I am That?” - Sri Nisargadatta

Simple

siva

#26

[QUOTE=siva;77880]Ray,

The first part is true. The rest, to me, is convoluted.

Maybe you can elaborate?

SCMT,

I am “what,” and “that is”…??? (I am what, that is…???)

How about…“I am That?” - Sri Nisargadatta

Simple

siva[/QUOTE]

It was an exert taken out of content from (Love and GOD 13) Maharaj Eternal Truth that IS? ~Nisargadatta Maharaj, you can freely download a .pdf version and read the whole page.

M: Good. Now that you know what it is all about, what Sadhana will you do to obtain
liberation from your ‘bondage’?

V: Ah! Maharaj. Now you are surely making fun of me. Or, are you testing me? Surely, now I
know and have realized that I am that ?I am, which I have always been and which I shall always
be. What is left to be done? Or, undone? And who is to do it? And for what purpose?

M: Excellent! Just be.

V: I shall, indeed.

#27

[QUOTE=siva;77880]Ray,

SCMT,

I am “what,” and “that is”…??? (I am what, that is…???)

How about…“I am That?” - Sri Nisargadatta

Simple

siva[/QUOTE]

Nope, to complicated and over thinking it

I am
What I am
And that is all that I am

See it’s simple

#28

?I AM? seems to be as far as one can go with intellectual Truth, everything else is poetry of the mind?

#29

Or you could go one step further…or maybe it is one step back

I am I

#30

The ?I AM? sensation is not dependent on time/space, each fully present moment has a freshness of pure awareness anything else relies on memory and that?s where the poetry begins.

#31

I am he as you are he as you are me and we are all together.:slight_smile: