Myself and SD have been confined to the religious forum, so I thought I’d ask for anyone’s insight as to why YOU think we are? I never use the ‘religious’ forum. I don’t find it of any interest. I usually use the ‘general’ forum, and sometimes the ‘spiritual’ forum. I know I’m not your average Yoga guy. I’m a skeptic, freethinker, rationalist. I do not support the validity of religion, chakras or any other stuff that we don’t have evidence for. I do not believe things out of faith. I only accept things through reason. I do post comments that I hope will make people think. I hope that the readers will either question their beliefs to the point of dropping irrational belief, or to strengthen them. I do concern myself with truth, and I feel that often when people search for truth, they too often just except irrational explanations, oddly enough, without too much questioning. I am also for free speech. I do not ever wish to dictate what one should believe, and I would fight for the rights of others to hold whatever belief they choose to accept. So there we go… I do disagree fundamentally with a lot of SD’s view, but I do also think that we do have a lot in common. I AM challenged by his replies, and DO often feel the need to revaluate what it is that I believe. I sometimes wish I had more time to challenge all his posts, not so that I may hopefully prove him wrong, but so that I may learn more about myself. Contrary to some things I might say, I value SD’s views and cherish the debates we have. I get plenty from them and hope others do to… maybe we were brothers in a past life 
YogiAdam, I believe it is because you and Surya Deva take nearly every thread you post in to a place of debate. It is not respectful to do this to other people’s threads. They have posted for a particular reason and to encounter the same debates and debaters over and over is tiresome.
While you have many interesting things to say, your focus often shifts from the original topic of the thread.
This is just my understanding. I also think if you want a clearer picture, perhaps PMing David would be a logical thing to do.
I believe this was an incredibly unfair decision for both of us. We have not discussed religon in the main forums, we have discussed science, quantum mechanics, chakras, evolution in the relevant forums and threads: “Yoga and science”, “Yoga and Quantum Mechanics” and “Intelligence and Spirituality” I have hardly even mentioned Hinduism or Abrahmic religions in any thread since the creation of the religion forum. Since the creation of that forum I have limited all my religious discussion to the religion forum and all non-religious discussion to the other forums. In fact most of my recent posts had nothing to do with religion. The most recent thread, “Did you choose your body” was about reincarnation and why we would choose a partuicular body, a spiritual topic. Another discussion was the debate over the meaning of a Zen poem and goal vs journey discussion. Another giving health advice to David and a very brief debate, which ended in agreement on alternative medicine vs allopathic medicine. Another about science vs reason. Another about sharing the OM meditation and pranayama techniques.
I will now have to strongly consider leaving the forum for good. I think what began originally as a noble intention to allow free speech on the forum and to teach people tolerance of others views has now decayed into the opposite. It seems even having arguments is outlawed now. I for one was enjoying my debates with Yogiadam, and our debate has remained confined to the relevant discussions and our correspondence with each other most of the time been polite and brief. The rash decision to confine us to the Religion forum(ironcally, when were not even talking about religon) without any warning, without any PM’s comes as a colossal disappointment to me. It has really tarnished the image of the forum for me I am afraid.
Tsk. Made to sit in the corner.
But think about it. It is clear that in the Religion section, anything goes. Why not start something and see what happens?
[QUOTE=Surya Deva;38613]I believe this was an incredibly unfair decision for both of us. We have not discussed religon in the main forums, we have discussed science, quantum mechanics, chakras, evolution in the relevant forums and threads: “Yoga and science”, “Yoga and Quantum Mechanics” and “Intelligence and Spirituality” I have hardly even mentioned Hinduism or Abrahmic religions in any thread since the creation of the religion forum. Since the creation of that forum I have limited all my religious discussion to the religion forum and all non-religious discussion to the other forums. In fact most of my recent posts had nothing to do with religion. The most recent thread, “Did you choose your body” was about reincarnation and why we would choose a partuicular body, a spiritual topic. Another discussion was the debate over the meaning of a Zen poem and goal vs journey discussion. Another giving health advice to David and a very brief debate, which ended in agreement on alternative medicine vs allopathic medicine. Another about science vs reason. Another about sharing the OM meditation and pranayama techniques.
I will now have to strongly consider leaving the forum for good. I think what began originally as a noble intention to allow free speech on the forum and to teach people tolerance of others views has now decayed into the opposite. It seems even having arguments is outlawed now. I for one was enjoying my debates with Yogiadam, and our debate has remained confined to the relevant discussions and our correspondence with each other most of the time been polite and brief. The rash decision to confine us to the Religion forum(ironcally, when were not even talking about religon) without any warning, without any PM’s comes as a colossal disappointment to me. It has really tarnished the image of the forum for me I am afraid.[/QUOTE]
Your right dude. Everything we debated about was in context. I never use this religious forum, cause the topic doesn’t interest me. I was getting a lot out of debating on the general and spiritual forums. Now it’s basically useless. I’m just glad real life doesn’t take take away our freedom of speech, like this. I guess on this forum, having strong opinions is not looked upon as desirable. It must be for liberals only.
Hey, SD if you read this could you do me a favor if you read this. If it’s not too much trouble, could you post the links to those science papers you posted about QM, on the ‘Yoga and science’ thread. I really wanted to sit down with them so that I could fully comprehend what they were about, and obviously I can’t access them now. Cheers,
I’m just glad real life doesn’t take take away our freedom of speech, like this. I guess on this forum, having strong opinions is not looked upon as desirable. It must be for liberals only.
It seems to be that way, you are right. There seems to be an unwritten rule, “Thou shalt not debate” It is obvious that strong minded people, with their own views are not welcome at this forum anymore. I don’t feel inspired to post here anymore now, it is really boring if everybody just agrees with each other. I mean what is the point of a discussion forum then? It has become one big farce now I am afraid.
twiddles thumbs… hmmm… So… was quiet a warm day today my part of the world… scratch scratch scratch … anyway… anyone read any good books lately?
I think you might be missing the point guys. Its not that you were JUST debating, its that you were completely monopolizing threads and taking them off topic. Not just your OWN threads, but other peoples as well. Thats fairly disrespectful in this environment. You were also frequently covering the same territory in every thread. And lets not forget some of the name calling, thats a bit offputting to others as well as inflammatory.
If I might be so bold, these threads are not solely about you and SD. Its a bit like giving a toy to a bunch of kids and two kids take it and play with it exclusively. They let the other kids watch, and occasionally touch the toy, but thats it. Another toy is given to the other kids and those same two kids come over, take the toy and repeat the same action, over and over. The same actions etc etc.
You and SD want to debate stuff, fly at it. You aren’t restricted in reading the other threads, so if something grabs your interest, copy it here and debate the crap out of it.
I, for one, think you have a great deal to share and I felt I was missing a lot of it because I won’t read all that negativity. The debates are not presented as something to be considered, they are being hammered down my (or yours, everyone’s) throat and I will just turn away rather than deal with that. My life has enough opportunity to deal with conflict and negative emotion that I choose to avoid it in places like this.
YogiAdam, I hope you choose to stay, and I hope you will consider posting a bit differently. I’d like to get to know you a bit and I’d like to hear what you have to say about some other things.
Nope, that is not what the truth is.
- We did not debate in every single thread and monopolize them.
- We did not name call
We debated in the relevant threads where the subject was being discussed. We did not go around having the same debate in every thread, this is a blatant lie and any objective reader can clearly see this.
There has been no name calling at all.
Nobodies topic was hijacked and monopolized because all discussion was relevant to the thread and there were several participants involved. Not just me and Yogiadam.
You Alix also made this claim in the “Truth” thread and your claim turned out to be false. All of us were discussing science/truth vs faith/myth, and you said it was about Hinduism vs Abrahamic religions.
It is clear we have breached no forum rules. What this is really about is debate itself. It is clear many people on this forum don’t like debate. As can be clearly seen from the amount of posts against science and reason made by members. Yet, debate is exactly what stimulates discussion and challenges oneself.
I think the needful needs to be done now and another forum rule added “You shall not debate with anybody, you must respect their views and opinions and not challenge them” so that people coming to this forum know exactly what it is all about.
P.S: We canot see any other forum other than the Religion forum.
What the heck happened? I’m gone for a day and a half and come back to find this out. Can someone please explain?
SD, If you and YogiAdam are banned to Religious forum, is it for a specified amount of time or permanent?
It might as well be permenant. We are banned for one month to this forum. As if either of us are going to stick around after such a harsh and unfair decision. Certain members, sounds like Alix is one of them, have been complaining to David that there is too much debate on the forum and they feel they like cannot participate because it is “negative” so they have pressured David into banning us.
The truth is these members can just as easily post in a thread where there is no debate. There are countless such threads to participate in. I mean what do you really expect to discuss in a thread about “Intelligence and Sprituality”, “Yoga and Science/QM” and “truth”
Were you talking about religion in the above mentioned threads?
Don’t be so quick to assume it was Alix. It may well have been David just reading the posts and making his decision.
Nope, we were talking about Yoga, science, QM, reincarnation, chakras, science and myth.
I think the “religion” forum is basically a misnomer for people who want to debate. As David seems to have decided he does not want debate in the main forums. In which case why not say that outright and draft it into the forum rules, so we know our limits when we post. What’s with the sudden and harsh banning? No PM’s, no warnings. Nothing. Just a straight ban for a crime we don’t even know is a crime yet.
Surya, David is fully capable of making a decision on his own. He was pretty clear about what he was going to do if the debates continued to take threads off topic. You’ve made your own bed, enjoy it.
My answer in this thread was my OWN opinion given to YogiAdam, not to you. Had you read carefully, you might even have noticed that I suggested YA send David a PM. I find you bellicose and given to personal attack, which you have confirmed nicely for me with this thread.
I apologize to YogiAdam for making the assumption he could read other threads. I did not realize you were only able to view the one forum. I thought your restriction was only on your posting.
Lotusgirl, I can’t remember which thread it was, (the one about truth perhaps?) but the thread had been taken over and David posted a note about these two being confined to this forum for a month. I’ll see if I can find a link if you like?
Lotusgirl, I can’t remember which thread it was, (the one about truth perhaps?) but the thread had been taken over and David posted a note about these two being confined to this forum for a month. I’ll see if I can find a link if you like?
You can easily tell when somebody is lying about an accusation they make against you, when they are not even sure what their accusation is.
If either me and Yogiadam were guilty of breaching forum rules to the severity that it would require a ban that breach could be pointed out clearly. The fact of the matter is we have not breached any forum rules, and we have unfairly been banned, because people like you have been pressuring David against us. I saw you complain the “truth” thread complaining the entire thread was about Hinduism vs Abrahamic religions, when it was clearly not and nobody backed you up on it. We were all, including the OP, talking about truth vs myth/science vs faith.
Yogiadam did not even participate in that thread if I remember correctly.
I looked for that note posted by David it turns out it was posted in my own thread, “Did you choose your own body” so therefore if it is my own thread, I have not disrespected the starter of the thread, because the starter is me. Now let us actually examine the thread and see what is so deserving of being banned?
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Posts: 1,125 It has been found in NDE research and said by many traditions that after we pass over and enter the spiritual planes we wait for a while, and even get help in choosing what we want to do next in our journey, more specifically where we would to reincarnate, which parents, which society and which body and what do we want to accomplish and learn.
Do you know why you would have chosen the body you have right now? What goal do you think you set for yourself before you incarnated? How succesfull do you think you have been in realising that goal in this life?
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Posts: 1,049 well I dont really care to think about or adapt the belief of choosing this body, mind, parents, etc… but There are things I like about this body, five nine is a good height for surfing
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Posts: 1,049 so why did you choose your body, mind, and life circumstances?
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Posts: 1,125 I don’t really know. If I did, life would be much easier, for I would know what my mission in this life is.
Maybe there are people here who have been able to work it out.
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I don’t really know. If I did, life would be much easier, for I would know what my mission in this life is.
Maybe there are people here who have been able to work it out.
what is the purpose of all existence?
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09-22-2010, 12:45 AM #6
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Posts: 217 Interesting question. I heard this idea some time ago. I was wondering then why in that case we don’t remember anything from before birth. If aim of life is learning - it seems its not incremental learning (because this works best when we build on what we already know) bur rather something totally new each time.
Looking from a side, we can see some patterns in life long learning. For example importance of money. Its very difficult to find a child who would appreciate value of money. And its difficult to find an old person being financially irresponsible. So the lesson is: money are important and you should respect it!
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Posts: 475 If reincarnation was real, there would have been no way that I would have chosen this body. I guess that’s why we go out with hot girls, so we can look at bodies far better than ours
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Posts: 1,125 Pawel, I think one explanation for the loss of memory would be that we have a new brain which has no links up to the old memories and forms new memories. A bit like after you delete files on your computer, they still remain in your hardrive, but there are no links up to them. Interesingly, the forgetting process begins in this life itself towards old age and death. There are rare cases, however, where people remember their past life memories. However, this is not a blessing, but a curse. As they end up living confused lives and find it hard to settle in this life. As they grow older they begin to forget about their past lives and get on with their current life.
Nonetheless, I think remembering your past life would be very beneficial in that it would give you some understanding of where you are coming from and what you need to do in this life.
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If reincarnation was real, there would have been no way that I would have chosen this body. I guess that’s why we go out with hot girls, so we can look at bodies far better than ours
I agree. I don’t know why on earth I would have chosen this body, my parents and the society I was born in!
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Surya Deva, applauding for this subject.
While I still dont know exactly if there is a reincarnation and a karma, these theories seems to me much more convincing then others. Pawel, about money and old people: this may just mean that we are doing the same mistake again and again. Thats what Im sure in: we can change everything - bodies, places we live in, society and even our minds (or this first of all...). When a man is drunk with freedom, he changes things from mentioned above (or others), until freedom becomes a natural state - and theres no need to do anything.
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Posts: 1,125 I agree all those things body, places we live in, society, personalities, even people who we consider to be our parents can be changed again and again. I have actually done this several times in this life alone just to prove to myself I am not fixed to just one body, place, society, personality. I done such radical things that most people would dare not to. However, there is obviously a baseline that I have always adhered to, but I think if went to the extreme, I could probably change that baseline as well.
The thing is we should not arbitarily change things. There must be a reason to change and a lot of insight for that can come from remembering your past life or remembering what goals were actually set right before you incarnated. For example suppose for the last 5 past lives you were working on overcoming a particular fear, say fear of speaking to others, if you knew that this was your goal in this life it would become so clear and you can get right onto working on it.
Then again I guess even if we introspect a bit we can come to know what exactly we need to work on in this life. In general I think our challenges in life come under the following categories: social, physical, emotional, mental, intellectual and spiritual and we need to identify the challenges we are facing in each sphere and work on all of them holistically. I guess following a complete Yogic lifestyle is the best antidote to that.
I have recognised my problem in each sphere as follows:
- Lack of empathy with others, love and inability to open to others(I can open to some people)
- Lack of energy and drive, tension in jaw, shoulders, need for more flexibility
- Very left-brain, scientific, rational, lacking creativity, poetry, colour
- Too much thinking, too little doing
- Poor short term memory and poor mathematical and motor skills(need to do sport!)
- Aversion to bhakti/devotion, need guidance
The solutions to the above challenges are inherent in the challenge itself. Such as taking up a creative activity to engage the right-brain, and doing a physical sport and physical exercise to boost energy levels.
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09-22-2010, 10:18 AM #12
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Posts: 13 I wouldn’t choose this body either, if I had the choice. But I guess, it is possible that we are choosing our parents, society and sort etc. Perhaps, we are dying with a particular psychology in our head, which becomes an anti-psychology in our next life. In other words, we die with an attachment to particular things and conceptions in this world; we die with that intention, and guess what happens in the next life? Your wish comes true, only that you begin hating that wish as you grow up. That’s samshara, and if we can’t realize our quintessential purpose on earth, and work on it diligently we are subject to reincarnation.
Agreed with those problems Surya. Mine would be:
- Personal insecurities and aversion to the society I was born in.
- Lack of physical energy and drive, tension in jaw, shoulders, back, legs…
- Lack of will power, thus being indecisive.
- Poor motor skills (I need to do sports too!)
I am often inclined to engage right-brain but I overall lack will power and suffer from indecisiveness, Because, life has thrown a lot on me for the past five years, and I have grown a lot of interest in many things to alleviate my suffering. Thus, I have grown a very peculiar sort of ego, which makes me indecisive on many things. Perhaps, I must work on my indecisiveness in this lifetime by increasing my will power. However, I fear that it might be done at the expense of many things I care >.>
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Posts: 1,125 The ultimate purpose of life according to me is self-realization/enlightenment. However, along the way on that path, we have to deal with minor goals as well. To model it in terms of Yogic psychology it is clear the path of the Kundalini is to ascend up the spine and break through the sahasara, but before it can do that its passage must be made clear by removing the various blockages each of our chakras holds. We are obviously holding onto many blockages which is preventing the free flow of the cosmic energy. I guess this can only be remedied by through working through our challenges through holistic development. I have always had this problem-solving approach to challenges I face and always met up with my challenges head-on.
Decisiveness and will power will come automatically after you are clear on what your challenge is and what the solution is. The best way to develop will power is to overcome the terrible habit of procrastination and hestitation. As soon as you know what the solution is to your challenge is, just go ahead and do it. Speaking of which, I am going to move on right ahead and join the gym tommorrow finally and start Yoga asana class! I am tired of being tired all the time
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Posts: 13 Yep. procrastination sorta defines my current psychology. I might draw some strength from Bhagavad-gita and Tao te ching, but in the end, it must be “me” who must act with wisdom, not Arjuna or Lao Tzu.
I also have some hard time speaking with very hot girls, actually approaching them is quite intimidating. That’s also have something to do with my ego, and I need to work on that as well
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Posts: 1,049 as far as purpose in life, there is a say that we cannot ask God to answer a question that we cannnot answer for God. SO we say “God, why do I exist” and God could say “neil, why do I exist” God just is, God just exists, so we just are, we esist. does that mean we dont have purposes in life, reasons for doing things, No. but the very nature of us “just is”. Some people have purposes like helping homeless people, starving children, stray animals, etc…
as far as past lives, ive read a book called “before I got here” it is a book about children talking about past lives. some people say a childs connection with things can lessen over time because adults may see a child a crazy when they have "imagineary friends and what not. My mom also talks about living before, talks about where she lived and what she did, and she seems totally fine with it.
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I like my body. Glad I found it lying about. Fits me perfectly.
Ditto!
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Posts: 72 Surya Deva, High Wolf, this approach - dividing problems into categories and working with them separately seems not very efficient to me (though, it`s just my opinion). While you are dealing with one, other appears, you concentrate on it, third one rises, and so on.
But if we dig deeper to the root of all this problems…
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Is it perfect? Does the perfect body/ parents/ society even exist?..hummmm, I think not.
Happiness is a state of mind, and I?m afraid if you look to any parent or society to make you happy you will fail miserably.
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Perhaps you can also ask yourself, if you could choose, what would you choose for a body/ parents/ society?
Is it perfect? Does the perfect body/ parents/ society even exist?..hummmm, I think not.
Happiness is a state of mind, and I?m afraid if you look to any parent or society to make you happy you will fail miserably.
Absolutely agree. I know I may have mentioned this before, but I see no real reason to assert the idea of perfection. As Stephen Hawking has clearly demonstrated, not long after the big bang, the universe was a mass expanding gas particles. The earlier back in time we go, the more symmetrical the gas particles seem to be from one and other. If the particles actually were perfect, then the universe, to this day, would be a bunch of gas particles, all held together by gravity, at exactly the same distances from one and other. It’s only due to the fact that the universe contained very small imperfection, and irregularities that the gas particles where thrown off symmetry, and over the course of 200 billion years, our universe went from what was ‘seemingly’ perfectly symmetrical to absolute imperfection, and this is the reason we are even here today. So the next time you make a mistake, remember that imperfection is the nature of our universe, and is the whole reason we are even here to begin with.
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If this were true, you would not even be here. Stephen Hawking is looking at the macro imperfection, not at the mico perfection. Even if the spin ratios of subatomic particles was off by a degree there would be no matter. The emerging worldview in science today is called cybernetics, and that is that the entire universe is a self-organizing, self-correcting system and thus it is regulated in order to maintain a very fine balance.
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Perhaps you can also ask yourself, if you could choose, what would you choose for a body/ parents/ society?
Is it perfect? Does the perfect body/ parents/ society even exist?..hummmm, I think not.
The perfect body for me would be a body that is healthy, strong and free of disease(high immunity) The perfect parents would be sages. The perfect society would be an enlightened and free society.
If I had a choice in the matter this is where I would reincarnate.
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Surya Deva, High Wolf, this approach - dividing problems into categories and working with them separately seems not very efficient to me (though, it`s just my opinion). While you are dealing with one, other appears, you concentrate on it, third one rises, and so on.
But if we dig deeper to the root of all this problems…
Yeah, but the new problems emerging are emerging within the category itself. So you may work on the physical category of your problems, and new problems arise within the physical such as health issues. In general though this is a very efficient approach to deal with the challenges in your life because it gives you a perspective of where you are at in your life and what you need to deal with, and then it simply a case of acting. The aim is holistic development.
Thinking logically with categories, classes and subclasses is simply thinking very clearly about things. So you can approach with a clear mind.
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09-24-2010, 06:15 AM #23
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Originally Posted by Surya Deva
The emerging worldview in science today is called cybernetics, and that is that the entire universe is a self-organizing, self-correcting system and thus it is regulated in order to maintain a very fine balance.te.
I wouldn’t go as far to say the universe is able to maintain a fine balance by any means. Even on this tiny planet, it’s natural elements are all over the place.
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09-24-2010, 02:06 PM #24
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Posts: 116 I love being who I am. but I know I am not all I can be and this is my task on this earth. I was aware of this from about 9 months old. I spent many years sat under my living room table that was covered by a tablecloth, blocking out the light. My family thought I was odd, questions were raised why doesnt she join in with things going on around her? Why doesnt she talk except to answer a question like do you want a drink etc I would give minimal responses…while they thought I was :elsewhere in my mind, I was infact highly alert to all around me, never missing a thing but I never sought to correct them until I saw at about 11 that I made people uncomfortable with my odd ways so for their sakes I decided to talk and come out from under the table…thank goodness they didnt bring the men in white coats to carry me away!! However, I know that you have to look within to find out who you really and this should be done in silence with focus and simplicity.
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Yesterday, 12:50 AM #25
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Originally Posted by YogiAdam
I wouldn’t go as far to say the universe is able to maintain a fine balance by any means. Even on this tiny planet, it’s natural elements are all over the place.
The truth does not depend on whether you say it does maintain a fine balance or does not. The actual proof is showing us it does. There is perfect order in the balance of seeming chaos, even if a single degree is off, matter would not exist. Similarly, the human body obeys a perfect order to maintain balance, anything being off, would be catastrophic. The stomach lining for instance is the correct material to prevent the HCL from burning a hole through out stomach.
Such perfectly evolved functions are not the result of random trial and error, because any error means catastrophe. Such functions are the result of a fine balance and regulating system.
One day you are going to have to leave the Newtonian and Darwinian era behind my friend. It is 100-200 years out of date.
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Yesterday, 05:28 AM #26
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Yesterday, 05:34 AM #27
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One day you are going to have to leave the Newtonian and Darwinian era behind my friend. It is 100-200 years out of date.
So convenient that we have to wait 100 years+ for your BS to become science. Why don’t you just admit your full of shit. Darwinian evolution is going nowhere my dumb friend. It’s one of the greatest discoveries of our species.
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Yesterday, 07:11 AM #28
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Posts: 1,125 Yogiadam, like I said we have moved on from Darwin and Newton. When you feel ready to move onto the 21st century do not hestitate to join us.
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Yesterday, 07:26 AM #29
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Yogiadam, like I said we have moved on from Darwin and Newton. When you feel ready to move onto the 21st century do not hestitate to join us.
Ironically, you are using science to justify one of the oldest religions in the world. Obviously your behind the times. Two of my favorite book are The Greatest Show On Earth by Richard Dawkins and The Grand Design by Stephen Hawking. They are BRAND NEW and are the newest publications in modern science. You have NO idea of modern science. For f#ck sake, you are an advocate for the oldest religion in our history. YOU are behind the times. YOUR views are dated and irrelevant.
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Yesterday, 07:51 AM #30
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Posts: 116 Surya Deva maintain your calm to this.
This is a very unhealthy debate and will unsettle all that you are striving for. This is not normal.
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Surya Deva maintain your calm to this.
This is a very unhealthy debate and will unsettle all that you are striving for. This is not normal.
Kind Regards Kareng
The thing I don’t understand is that your profile says you are from England. Yet you don’t seem to have a basic grasp of the english language. I struggle to understand a single point you are attempting to make.
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Yesterday, 08:33 AM #32
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Posts: 117 using your language is not what I am familiar with…it is abusive …I dont abuse people in writing, verbally or in thought. Go through your posts/replys and maybe you will understand
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Yesterday, 08:49 AM #33
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Posts: 475 I’ll admit that I am abusive if you illustrate where I have been abusive. Otherwise you are just accusing me for nothing.
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Yesterday, 09:35 AM #34
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Yesterday, 09:49 AM #35
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Yesterday, 10:39 AM #36
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Posts: 2 I think all of this “just happened”. It had to happen. Out of chaos order, out of order, a strong desire to make sense out of what appears to be random chaos. There is no here or there, no this or that. Everything just Is. What do you think?
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Yesterday, 10:45 AM #37
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Yesterday, 10:56 AM #38
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Posts: 117 Surya Deva I have stooped to what I suggested you don’t, this makes me a hypocrite…my apologies
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Yesterday, 11:30 AM #39
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Posts: 1,598 I was really interested in this thread title and I wanted to add to it too. I’ve been thinking about these things regularly as my first child is anticipated to be born in December.
But after reading yet another thread that again has little to do with the original topic, and so much to do with cursing and anger and “right fighting” and baiting and last-wording and all the rest. Goodness! And I should add my own frustration to this list, because YogiAdam and Surya Deva, you two have only been members here since July 2010 and your contributions continue to dominate thread after thread on this forum. Even with David’s efforts to help keep threads on topic, by adding a separate forum to act as a buffer for all this rough and tumble, still thread after thread is dilute and polluted in my experience and opinion.
Perhaps we could just leave it all well-assumed that at least for now, that you two do not agree on a single solitary point? And we can just leave it at that, with no more manas-flexing and baiting and coarse language on our shared forum? It is wearisome and I for one, would like to be here too, but find it more and more challenging to do so with all this biting back-and-forth, which I cannot even credit as debate or discussion, as it shares little as in common as much as I can see.
I truly do not intend any disrespect to either of you, as individuals or members here, and I would like to have room to speak for myself, as an individual and a member here. And right now, that is to speak to my frustrations with regards to the repeated interactions between the two of you, and with what I see as continued thread highjacking.
I would like to make a request to each of you to please do what you can to help keep things on topic and if you would, take your back-and-forth exchanges into new threads where you can go at it as vigorously and long as you’d two like, while leaving some space for the rest of us to add to the original thread and to share with each other.
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Yesterday, 12:10 PM #40
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Posts: 806 Surya Deva and Yogi Adam have been confined to the religion forum for one month. They can argue there.
Ironically I am being asked very random questions by the same person who complained? I’m being asked questions that are off the topic. This Yoga forum is a f#$king joke!
Analysis of the thread:
There are a total of 40 posts in this thread over 2 pages. Of these 9 posts are mine(20%) of which 7 are about the topic discussing which body one would want reincarnate, purpose and goal of life and 3 are arguably off-topic talking about whether the universe is perfect or imperfect. Therefore in the entire thread 3 posts are off-topic from me, under 10% of the total posts in the thread.
So how on earth have I dominated this thread(which I have started) at all with off-topic posts?
Of those 40 posts 9(20%) are Yogiadams of which 2 are on topic or 5%(1 arguably, because it brings up the topic of imperfection vs perfection, which 3 of my posts address politely) and 7 are off-topic(under 10%)
Of the 9 posts that Yogiadam makes 5 contain personal attacks and abuses:
Are you making up your science or do you get it from magichappens.com?
So convenient that we have to wait 100 years+ for your BS to become science. Why don’t you just admit your full of shit. Darwinian evolution is going nowhere my dumb friend. It’s one of the greatest discoveries of our species.
Ironically, you are using science to justify one of the oldest religions in the world. Obviously your behind the times. Two of my favorite book are The Greatest Show On Earth by Richard Dawkins and The Grand Design by Stephen Hawking. They are BRAND NEW and are the newest publications in modern science. You have NO idea of modern science. For f#ck sake, you are an advocate for the oldest religion in our history. YOU are behind the times. YOUR views are dated and irrelevant.
The thing I don’t understand is that your profile says you are from England. Yet you don’t seem to have a basic grasp of the english language. I struggle to understand a single point you are attempting to make.
Could you be specific or are you just ultra-sensitive?
Of the 9 posts I make no post contains a personal attack or abuse. However, 1 arguably can be construed as a personal attack where I tell Yogiadam his conception of science is 100-200 years old stuck at Newton and Darwin)
From the above it maybe understandable why Yogiadam has been banned because his posts have been off-topic and abusive, but there is no justifcation here for banning me. I have been very polite, even when Yogiadam pesonally attacked me in two posts. However, even banning Yogiadam is extreme, because as per forum rules you are banned for 3 days if you make personal attacks even after getting a formal warning. Yogiadam has already has his first formal warning, so by forum rules Yogiadam should have been banned for 3 days and not confined for a month to this forum.
I have since receiving my ban for 3 days behaved on this forum and many people have noted that. I have not engaged in any personal attacks, I have spoken more respectfully to people and I have kept my discussion of religion limited to the religion forum. And yet I have still been punished. Wow what justice. There is no doubt about it, this is a very unfair decision and cannot be justified in any court of law.
I suggest that Yogiadam be banned for 3 days as forum rules state and then allowed to participate in all forums. And my ban be lifted entirely because there is no justification for it.
To SD and YogiAdam,
I’m sorry I brought it up! Just take your punishment or PM David.
You know, I PM’d both of you giving you my thoughts and instead of responding back, you keep this going. Why did I even bother? Disappointing.