Corporate world: Help needed!

Oh boy, the challenges of corporate world! Similar to City Monk?s thread on ?Dealing with difficult people?, I sometimes find the environment I work in extremely challenging and counterproductive to remaining centered. I get ?tested? every day, and although it?s a great opportunity to practice patience, humility, and tolerance, it is also at times very frustrating and disheartening. I sometimes find the best thing to do in corporate world is not always in accordance with the spiritual world. I am on a path to making a 360 career turn, but it is going to take 4 years before that happens, until then I need help from you guys…

I?m interested to find out what are your challenges and how do you deal with them, within this context? :confused:

So THIS is what “corporate yoga” is. I always wondered about that :slight_smile:

“We teach you yoga so you can better deal with how much your job sucks.” Do you think I’d get many corporate clients bringing me on if I used that as my sales line?

Anyway, I don’t have any useful advice. The one corporate job I had I ran away from quite quickly and have never looked back.

I also left the corporate world many years ago. I’ve never regretted it. My husband struggles with this on a daily basis. I can honestly tell you he has yet to find a way to make peace with it. He does TM (transcendental meditation) and Thai Chi and they help to some degree. Wish I had some wise words, but I’m fresh out.

Mind telling us what your new path will be?

I think all jobs in the modern day suck. They are all keeping the capitalist system of exploitation going, they all involve beaurocracy, systems of registery. They are all systems where the majority of society in the world is working to make profit for rich capitalists. I would much prefer retiring to the village and living independently, growing my own food and if possible producing my own energy.

However, I doubt omamana is going to quit his/her job anytime soon. So I think some general Yoga tips will help manage the job. The secret of the Yogis is that even if you put them in a prison they will still be able to turn it into a joyous occasion. Everything can be turned into a joy. The secret is simple cultivate happines from within by connecting to the Self or Christ within, this way your happiness will not depend on your circumstances, but will emanate naturally from your being.

How that is done? It is done through the practice of the Yamas and Niyamas and of those the most important are detachment and mindfulness. In the Gita Krishna mentions selfless action nishkama karma it is action not motivated by the goal, but by the process itself. Whatever you do, turn it into a meditation, even if it is something as simple as washing the dishes. Allow yourself to become completely immersed in the process - connect with it - and then you will lose yourself in your task. There will be no time to think and even time itself will disappear. Then when you end you will wonder where did time go.

I have had to do many monotonous jobs in the past which my peers thought were soul destroying and complained about constantly. They would take every opportunity(when the boss was not supervising) to gossip about trivial things, tell jokes and basically mess around to make it more interesting. I, on the other hand, would immerse myself in the task and be absorbed in it. To the point where I was in trance and when the day was over I barely knew where time went. I also had also hit well over my target, and because of me the boss set the target higher for everybody else :smiley:

This is the secret of the Yogis.

[QUOTE=omamana;34869] I am on a path to making a 360 career turn, but it is going to take 4 years before that happens, until then I need help from you guys…[/QUOTE]

A 360 turn will bring you back to where you are now :wink:

I get how you feel. I run a company with 20 employees + contractors and deal daily with vendors, clients, staff, bankers, insurance, legal, industry associations, networking, conflicts, …the list goes on. In my dreams I am practicing yoga, painting, writing, teaching my children and loving my wife. How did I get all the way over here?

Here are some practical tips in how to practice nishkama karma.

To do list:
Create a list of tasks that need to be done throughout the day when you wake up. Then immerse yourself in each task, as if the task is the only thing left in the world and enjoy it, dedicate yourself completely to it. Fall in love with it. Do not think of any other task.

Athiti Devo Bhava(Every guest is god)
When interacting with other people welcome that person, give all your attention to that person and listen to eveything they say to you. Do more listening than talking. If you listen properly not only will you catch what is being said more accurately, but you will catch what is not being said as well. Then respond appropriately. Always keep the equanimity of your mind(sthita prajnana) no matter how out of order the person you are talking to is.

I have applied both of these techniques very succesfully in my day to day life. The last technique especially has helped me diffuse the most volatile of situations. I have been able to prevent full blown fights from taking place because the other person, who may initially be all reved up to be violent towards me, is instantly diffused when he/she realises how calm and unperturbed I am.

Remember the Yoga and meditation are nothing more than exercise or training in order for you to practice Yama and Niyama in your life more effectively.

I can’t beat SD on this one.

Well Played sir. Well played.

SD, excellent advice.

I’d like to add to it that if the task you are immersed in is interrupted, forgive the interruption, and attend to the interruption as wholeheartedly as the task you were forced to leave, and take a breath or two before returning to the interrupted task to help you remember where you had left it. If the interruption is something you can schedule in the future instead, even better: this might even inspire a culture shift in your work place, if folks notice it is good for you and for them to be able to dedicate to tasks.

Of course, the harsher conflicts will come when the task you are set to conflicts with your values, and you believe it is inappropriate to perform the task. Then you need to decide the priority of your values (being able to fund your daily bread is important, but it might not top each priority it can come into conflict with). It might become helpful to keep your eye on the change in 4 years you allude to, and remember that your situation is impermanent. (just as your hoped-for situation will also be impermanent.)

Thanks Scales and Techne.

Yes, attend to the interruption, depending of course on how important the matter is. One of my acharyas for a Yoga group I attended a few years ago said to me it is ok to stop your meditation and go answer the door. I sometimes, I would if I was meditating not answer phone calls or answer the door. But I realised this was not wise, and I could just resume meditation later on.

And yes we need to choose tasks that fit ethically with us as well. Sometimes, of course you will have to make compromises especially if you are a corporate, as long as it is within limit. I for example would not perform the task of a hitman :smiley:

Hi all,

Thank you all for your great advice!

However, I should have been clearer in my thread - it is not the job itself which is my predicament, although it is not my ideal job, I am grateful for having a job in the first place, and whatever I do I always give it my best.

It is more the ‘corporate environment’ i.e. the career decisions I need to make within the environment, and dealing with its people when my priorities are very different to theirs. Let me give you a couple examples… My boss told me that I need to become more ‘political’, i.e. play the corporate game, which does not resonate with me. Another example is, someone else taking credit for my work, in this case do I just let it go, or do I point it out to ensure I am not taken advantage of? Do you now see what I mean, its these types of challenges which are difficult to deal with.

[QUOTE=FlexPenguin;34873]A 360 turn will bring you back to where you are now ;)[/QUOTE]…[B]Penguin[/B], I am afraid I do not agree, I am not fulfilled in my job because like Surya mentioned it is a capitalist system filled with beaurocracy. I am going into a job I’ve wanted to do all my life which will fulfil me as I will be helping others, so I believe it is my ‘purpose’. Yes, there will be challenges like with any job, but the main difference is, [U]I will [B]believe in[/B] everything I am doing![/U]

[B]The Scales [/B]– your new profile pic is scary! :evil:

[B]David [/B]– I think I have given you an idea for a new branding strap line! (“We teach you yoga so you can better deal with how much your job sucks.”). Don’t worry I won’t charge you this time. :wink:

So my revised questions is: How do I balance corporate culture with spirituality, bearing in mind I need this job to fund my future one.

Here’s what I see –
you’re in this job temporarily (4 more years) because you need the money (“to fund my future.”)
Your future job is something you love.
You want to make sure you don’t, over the next four years, change into something that resonates more with the corporate game than with doing something you believe in.

here’s some conjecture –
It’s possible that the fact you have something better in your near future has leaked to your colleagues (even just through your body language), and “become more political” is your boss’s way of asking you to do some morale damage control. (S)he is not asking you to change who you are – a short timer – just change the effect this has on the people around you.

Are you in a different industry from the one you’ll be moving to? If so, it makes no difference if someone else takes credit for your work. To put it another way, in eight years, after you have 4 years of this new thing under your belt, will it help you do that job if your skill at this current job is accurately perceived?

Maybe these are new ideas for you, or maybe not.

Sounds like your angst comes from being in an alien culture, but you like what you do. I hope you can find a culture that works for you. What do you do?

[QUOTE=omamana;34941]Let me give you a couple examples… My boss told me that I need to become more ?political?, i.e. play the corporate game, which does not resonate with me. Another example is, someone else taking credit for my work, in this case do I just let it go, or do I point it out to ensure I am not taken advantage of? Do you now see what I mean, its these types of challenges which are difficult to deal with.

So my revised questions is: How do I balance corporate culture with spirituality, bearing in mind I need this job to fund my future one.[/QUOTE]

What do you do for work?
I am am an evil corporate consultant who has to be diplomatic at all times and compromise to allow clients to learn from their own mistakes, err… to try things their way, and then be there 80 hours a week to cover for their costly decisions. My … boss?.. constantly yells at us and tells us to be something other than what we are, but you know what the hallmark tool in the toolbox is for dealing with EVERYTHING?

[B]Patience.[/B]

Patience. Whether I am training someone who has never touched a computer before, listening to office workers complain about their work or each other, working through system failures, selling ideas, talking to your boss, or LISTENING <— to ANYONE. AND yourself. Once, after two 80 hour training weeks, a staff member told me she was glad I was ‘patient with them, always willing to listen fully, and they felt so comfortable being trained by me because I never was upset at their ignorance or tried to rush them’. I was so relieved that even after so many hellish hours when I thought I was being short and cranky, I was still acting from a place that made them capable of learning from me (which is my role). Eureka!

Now - maybe patience isn’t your thing. But pick something, some virtue, and concentrate on it. You could pick truth. You could say to your boss, “I am not a political person, I don’t play games. If you want a solid company, build a strong foundation, not with false relationships and promises. Show your clients the same respect that you would show your family.” Or, you could just make it a focus during your regular day - and be as honest as you can be without harming others during the day. Try not to put up a false front, try to fully engage with people, try not to promise things that you cannot produce. You can also practice not lying to yourself, which is something that I am exceptionally good at and requires a lot of self-reflection to identify.

Or you can choose anything else.
What I am saying is - pick something else to focus on. Someone above mentioned that you could work for the sake of working, which is a technique I have also found helpful. Picking anything to focus on brings you out of your current situations and reminds you that there is something else going on in this world.

Two last thoughts:

  1. This will be a memory in a few hours. Remind yourself of that when work gets crappy.
  2. Being a spiritual person in a corporate environment can make you an asset to your employer. By practicing devotion and hard work, honesty, respect, friendliness, patience, mindfulness of decisions, and accepting the consequences of your actions, you become the ULTIMATE employee. Whether that is recognized by your employers or taken advantage of by coworkers who envy your capabilities is not your problem. You can only choose how to react to situations, and the calmer you are, the less obstacles will enter your life. A coworker who steals your ideas is someone that is not creative by them self and cannot put teamwork into practice. They’re working at a serious disadvantage compared to you, and this is a good opportunity to practice compassion. Whatever choice you make, make it the path of least resistance for everyone involved. Maybe just talking to them would be useful. They obviously need the attention and enjoy rising to the levels of the corporate world way more than you do, so perhaps you should just let them have it. Everybody gets what is due to them. :slight_smile:

Thank you so much [B]Suryadaya[/B], you have given me things to think about and great advice. It seems you have mastered the art of ‘corporate yoga’, good on you!

[QUOTE=Techne;34964]It’s possible that the fact you have something better in your near future has leaked to your colleagues (even just through your body language), and “become more political” is your boss’s way of asking you to do some morale damage control. (S)he is not asking you to change who you are – a short timer – just change the effect this has on the people around you.
Are you in a different industry from the one you’ll be moving to? If so, it makes no difference if someone else takes credit for your work. To put it another way, in eight years, after you have 4 years of this new thing under your belt, will it help you do that job if your skill at this current job is accurately perceived?
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This could be true and are valid points to consider, I will explore this further. Thank you.

[QUOTE=omamana;34941]Hi all,

[B]The Scales [/B]? your new profile pic is scary! :evil:

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:cool:

I call it earth.

If you’d like to know why you’d have to contemplate the two - earth and the skeleton.

It is more the ‘corporate environment’ i.e. the career decisions I need to make within the environment, and dealing with its people when my priorities are very different to theirs. Let me give you a couple examples… My boss told me that I need to become more ‘political’, i.e. play the corporate game, which does not resonate with me. Another example is, someone else taking credit for my work, in this case do I just let it go, or do I point it out to ensure I am not taken advantage of? Do you now see what I mean, its these types of challenges which are difficult to deal with.

Namaste,

If you get a chance please read the Mahabharata. In the Mahabharata the Pandavas are subject to all kinds of ill treatment by the Kuruvas whilst growing up which would test the patience of even a saint:

  1. Bheema is poisoned by Duryodhana and his brothers and thrown into the sea. Everybody is really worried what has happened to Bheema at home, luckily he survives, and he comes back and tells his family he was poisoned. In order to keep peace the Pandvas do not say anything and let it pass.

  2. Duryodhana then conspire later to get the Pandavas killed by building a special palace made of a highly inflammable substance(lac) The Pandvas learn from spies of the conspiracy and have a special trap door build into the palace through which they escape. Again they say nothing in order keep peace. The Kuruvs assume they are dead and the plans to make Duryodhana king are put into place(this right actually belongs to Yudhishtra of the Pandavas, because he is in the eldest in the family

  3. Later, the Pandavas reveal they are alive and come back to reclaim their kingdom and at this point everybody knows of the conspiracy, even though the Pandavas remain quiet. Duryodhana refuses to give the kingdom to the Pandavas. In the end they come to an agreement where Duryodhana can keep the prosperous kingdom of Hastinapur, but the Pandavas are given Indraprasth, a barren land. They accept without quarrel, but with their ingenuity and hard work are able to turn this barren land into a wonder. Duryodhana becomes really jealous.

  4. Duryodhana plots a conspiracy to annex Indraprash by inviting the Pandavas to a rigged game of dice which was a tradition of warriors then and one had to gamble. Yushishtra ends up losing everything, so desperate is his loss, he puts himself, his brothers and their wife up for stakes as well. In order to humilate them further Duryodhana orders the disrobing of their wife right in front of the assemby. The Pandavas, who are mighty warriors, still do not react in order to maintain peace. At the end of the game, the queen of Hastinapur intervenes and orders that the game is null and void.

  5. Duryodhana is reeling from the incident and now wants to annex Indraprasth by war which nobody wants because of how destructive it would be. So Duryodhana demands one more dice-game and whoever loses will have to go 14 years into exile, of which one extra year will be spent in hiding and during that year if they are spotted then they will spend another 14 years in exile. The Pandvas not wanting war, accept the offer and lose the game again. They go into exile and are able to escape detection in the 15th year.

  6. After returning from exile the Pandavas ask for their kingdom of Indraprasth back, which are entitled to. Duryodhana flatly refuses and calls out for all war. As a last ditch effort to maintain peace, the Pandavas send Krishna as a messenger of peace to the Kuruvs to broker a deal. The deal is they can keep Indraprasth, all they ask for is just 5 villages and they will be content with that. To this Duryodhana screams, “I will not give those beggers even one inch of my land”

  7. The great war begins. At the end of the war the death toll is reported to be 6 million people.

The story of Mahabharata is an illustration of the value of Ahimsa(non-violence) That is that one should never resort to violent means unless it is absolutely necessary. We must learn to suffer things with patience and only when a certain tipping point is reached, should we resort to violent measure.
Similarly, as you have chosen a career which requires politics, deceit etc, you must learn to perservere through it. If somebody takes credit for your work, then let them. You are doing your work because it is your duty to, not because you want to get credit out of it. In the end your virtue and honesty will be rewarded.

This is the value of nishkama karma. Act, but do not seek the rewards of your actions.

Namaste,

[QUOTE=Surya Deva;35086]…Act, but do not seek the rewards of your actions.[/QUOTE]

This is something I need to remind myself of. That said, it?s not that easy to do when you work hard at something, then someone else takes credit for it, and is rewarded as a result of your efforts. Which happens a lot!

But what I can do is practice patience with myself as my virtues develop, and patience toward others who have not yet come as far.
:smiley:

I have never had a corporate job but the way I deal with difficult people is to remain polite and have as little interaction with them as possible

[B]Act, but do not seek the rewards of your actions.[/B]

It is simply this. Play your part. Be unattached. Stay in the self. You should not be letting someone take the credit which is yours. Your right to livelyhood is valid. Play your part in the game well. All to learn from each other. Jezus said - be in the world not of the world.

I left the corporate life for the same reasons and became a psychotherapist.

All jobs suck for one reason or the other. This sucks a little less because I can have my own practice and work from the heart.

The money - when you compare it to It industry - sucks! But such is life…