See the body of Jesus Christ:
[QUOTE=bjoy;56518]In this lifetime, you cant master yourself. Wait for the next.
Adios.[/QUOTE]
From the sounds of it, neither will you and probably not the next either 
[QUOTE=Surya Deva;56522]From the sounds of it, neither will you and probably not the next either ;)[/QUOTE]
1st. a single hair, then make it to a thick bunch of ponytail of adishakti-kundalini in the Self.
its the art of self mastering by the Grace in Union, in Silence.
Seeker33,
You are so much in denial it is actually very sad indeed. Go look at Sahaja Yoga links in first post on this thread, you really believe everything there is false? Are you really that naive and gullible?
Your so called proofs coincidently are in many most Cults, but they are actually not proofs at all just subjective experience you’ve been hoodwinked into believing is something amazing. No doubt when you first went to Sahaja Yoga meetings you were ‘love bombed’ everyone your best friend and so interested in you, and you sound very much like the sort of person lacking contenment in life that would have been easy prey for any Cult to recruit, just so happened it was SY.
[B]Shri Mataji is OBESE [/B] no getting around it - note also most official photos of her were takenlong ago she is even fatter now and looks much older. Amazing the great Yoga master that has all the secrets of the Universe & the mind can’t control a basic thing like appetite. She has extravangant tastes in food and eats a lot that is fact, also well known she has severe flatulence problems testified by ex devotees and impartial reporters interviewing her, they have said she would frequently do ‘rude smells’ and not even acknowledge them and continue like nothing had happened, these were very audible.
Sahaja Yoga and Shree Mataji teaches it is the Ultimate Yoga - no it isn’t! If practicing SY you end up looking like Shree Mataji - grossly overweight , I strongly suggest go try other forms of Yoga and experience the real deal.
There is no hope for Seeker Mindninja. He just posted a picture of a fat Jesus to justify the obesity of Shri Mataji
Swami Sivananda ji does not claim to be the maitreya, comforter or divine mother. He’s never made any claims of enlightenment either. He is just a modern day Yogi, originally a doctor, spreading the teaching of Yoga in the modern age. Nor is he unhealthly obese that his mobility is compromised. To the contrary he can do asanas.
[QUOTE=MindNinja;56547]Seeker33,
You are so much in denial it is actually very sad indeed. [/QUOTE]
Looks like you need to get familiar with A&B of Yoga Darshana.
Yoga is:
1.1 Yogash chitta vritti nirodhah
Swami i swami and incarnation is incarnation.
You better start live with it.
[QUOTE=Seeker33;56609]Swami i swami and incarnation is incarnation.
You better start live with it.
[/QUOTE]
First, to answer you on behalf of Mindninja. Chit vritti nirodha is the opposite of your condition. You are full of vrittis, and the type of vrittis you are full of Patanjali has also described: wrong knowledge. You are completely brainwashed. Look at your behaviour:
I propose a controlled experiment to you to test the SY vibration checking method. You already rationalize a reason the experiment will fail by blaming your own SY members of not being in nirvichara samadhi. Rather than accepting the method is false, you would accept the SY members are false.
We point out to you how unhealthy obsese Shri Mata ji that it compromises her mobility. You respond by first posting a painting of a fat jesus, despite the fact that nobody knows what Jesus looked like and he is not described as fat in the bible. Then you post a slightly chubby picture of Swami Sivananda ji, despite the fact that he does not claim to be the maitreya/comforter.
Mindninja and myself have pointed out that the so-called vibrations and cool breeze that you feel in SY yoga are completely mundane. I have felt them myself, but I am far from self-realized. To this you have not even responded.
You will never achieive chit vritti nirodha when your mind is full of brainwashing vrittis. You are responsible for putting a huge block in your spiritual development - these false knowledge vrittis you have created about Shri Mata ji will forever prevent you from achieiving any meaningful stage of development in Yoga. You have killed the seeking mind. You are no seeker.
No cults have ever been able to ensnare me because I have never killed my seeking mind. I have a good discriminating mind. As soon as I spot something is wrong, I don't forget it. This makes me investigate and when I have enough evidence against something, I drop it pronto and move on.
[QUOTE=Surya Deva;56613]No cults have ever been able to ensnare me because [B]I have never killed my seeking mind[/B]. I have a good discriminating mind. As soon as I spot something is wrong, I don’t forget it. This makes me investigate and when I have enough evidence against something, I drop it pronto and move on.[/QUOTE][B]“You cannot know the meaning of your life until you are connected to the power that created you.”[/B] Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi
How you know what is truth and what false? By your Ego? Who are you to judge?
Matthew 7
[B]1 ?Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2 For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.[/B]
I am not claiming to know what is ultimately true or what is ultimately false, but do I know what is true and what is false in the world I live in. I know, for example it is true the Eiffel tower is in Paris and not London. If I did not have a faculty that could not discriminate between what is true or false, it would be impossible to live in the world. This basic ability to discriminate allows me to cross the road safely.
If you are involved in an organization and you spot corruption, are you going to tell yourself, “How do I know what is true or false” or are you going to do something about it? Similarly, I know when I am in a bad cult. I spot what is wrong, and do something about it.
I have already had these conversations Seeker33 with members of the SY group. Like you, they are anti-rationality, anti-reason, anti-judgement. Like you they reject the most important faculty we have been blessed with the intellect. They deny this faculty, because if this faculty was working in them, they would never be a part of SY. Thus they are taught propoganda like, “You should not make judgement, mother knows best” or “You should not make judgements, let the vibrations speak” It is designed to kill your seeking mind.
But this is not specific to SY, every bad cult discourages free and independent thinking. The BK’s told me to stop asking questions, throw away my knowledge and listen to them. The Anandamarga Yoga people reacted with intolerance towards me whenever I asked questions.
Even in the Gita you are taught that your buddhi is your most important faculty and it is your buddhi that you need to sharpen so you can make more sharper judgements. Krishna says a person who has lost their buddhi has lost themselves. The wise are those who have a clear buddhi. I am not going to give up my buddhi. If I did not have a good buddhi I would have got myself into all kinds of mess in my life.
[QUOTE=Surya Deva;56618]I have already had these conversations Seeker33 with members of the SY group. Like you, they are anti-rationality, anti-reason, anti-judgement.[/QUOTE]Yoga Darshana has nothing to do with rationality and science. [B]Science is ignorant about chakras and you can?t comprehend chakras with your rational mind but the father of yoga Patanjali speaks about chakras. [/B]
Nope, Seeker33, Yoga has everything to do with science and rationality. Have you not heard many Yoga gurus call Yoga a science? Have you not read the Gita, the bible of Yoga, where Krishna tells Arjuna to use his rationality. Then teaches him the science of Yoga on how he can improve this rationality.
Like I said I have already talked to members of your cult and I know you folks are anti-reason and rationality and anti-science. This is the brainwashing you receive in your cult.
However, if you read all the classical texts of Yoga, none of them are anti-reason and rationality or anti science. What does Krishna do when Arjuna refuses to fight? He reasons with him.
[QUOTE=Surya Deva;56625]Nope, Seeker33, Yoga has everything to do with science and rationality. Have you not heard many Yoga gurus call Yoga a science? Have you not read the Gita, the bible of Yoga, where Krishna tells Arjuna to use his rationality. Then teaches him the science of Yoga on how he can improve this rationality.[/QUOTE]Gita IS NOT the bible of Yoga.
This lesson will be for free. Looks like you are wasting my time.
In Indian philosophy, Yoga is the name of one of the six orthodox philosophical schools. The Yoga philosophical system is closely allied with the Samkhya school. The Yoga school is expounded by Patanjali .
Yep, the Gita is considered the bible of Yoga. Do you not know this?
Here is a free tip for you: Do not try to teach me Yoga, Hinduism, Indian philosophy, philosophy or science. I far far outstrip you in all these areas, have been studying Hinduism and Yoga for 10 years, a first class degree in Philosophy, and a dissertation on Yoga and Samkhya with distinction. I will make you look stupid
The philosophical school of Yoga is a part of the astika tradition of Indian philosophy. It is not only just closely allied with the Samkhya school, it adopts all of Samkhya philosophy and the only part that it adds to Samkhya is the element(tattva) of ishvara, a special purusha that does not enter embodiment. Now, as somebody who has read all the primary Samkhya texts - the Samkhya Karika, the Samkhya Sutras and academic literature on the subject, including the modern Western expert Gerald Larson, I can tell you that Samkhya is a purely rational tradition. The first few sutras in the Samkhyakarika explain that Samkhya knowledge is all based on inference using analogical reasoning. It explains this is because Samkhya knowledge on prakriti and purusha are not empirical objects, their existence is necessarily inferred from the effects evident in the empirical. Prakriti is inferred by examing her observable effects, such as the fact that all things always have something which produces them(seed produces a tree). One argument given in the Samkhyakarika is that Prakriti is perceived to be non-existent not because prakriti does not exist, but because prakriti is very minute and subtle for our senses to apprehend. However, prakriti clearly does exist and can be established through pure logical arguments. Consequently, from the existence of prakriti, purusha can also be established.
The Samkhya tradition using pure logical arguments establishes purusha and prakriti as axiomatic substances and explains how the fact of perceived embodiment of the purusha is owing to an illusion of perception, which can be undone when the purusha abides in its nature of consciousness.
You are getting a free education, but I know learning cannot take place - because your mind is full of garbage.
[QUOTE=Surya Deva;56638]You are getting a free education, but I know [B]learning cannot take place[/B] - because your mind is full of garbage.[/QUOTE][B]“When the supreme reality is not understood, the study of the scriptures is useless, and study of the scriptures is useless when the supreme reality has been understood.”[/B] - Viveka Chudamani Shri Shankara
And yet Shri Sankaracharya is famous for one thing: for reviving the study of the Vedas and the Upanishads and presenting a rational philosophy based on them. He commented on 13 Upanishads.
Scripture itself will not help you understand the ultimate truth, but it is an aid. Nobody is going to get enlightenment by reading the Yoga Sutras alone. They are going to do have to practice what it teaches.
But a mind full of garbage will not get anywhere. First clear that mind of garbage by cleaning up your buddhi. Learn to be objective, factual and clear. Aid the process by practicing Yoga. When your buddhi is clear, your mind will be clear - and when your mind is clear the truth of everything will be clear.
The intellect and enlightenment are not mutually opposed. Sharpen your intellect and enlightenment is not far.
[QUOTE=Surya Deva;56618]Even in the Gita you are taught that your buddhi is your most important faculty and it is your buddhi [B]that you need to sharpen[/B] so you can make more sharper judgements. [/QUOTE]Buddhi evolving from Prakriti and Samkya Karika is clear that Enlightenment is full discrimination between Purusha and Prakriti. [B]To speak that ?your buddhi that you need to sharpen? is nonsense. [/B]
Shri Krishna is very diplomatic person and HE explains that everything should be done with [B]Ananya bhakti.[/B] When you know what does this mean then you can comprehend HIS teaching.
[QUOTE=Surya Deva;56653]The intellect and enlightenment are not mutually opposed. Sharpen your intellect and enlightenment is not far.[/QUOTE]The process of cleaning is also activity of Prakriti and will not help you. Everything should be done in spontaneous way ? SAHAJ, because you are not the Doer.