Has anything positive come from this forum?

There’s a difference between being tough with somebody while also remaining calm and rational and having an undercurrent of hatred and hostility in your tone, and having your mind distorted because of it. I do employ the former, but I try to avoid the latter. For some, the latter is their primary modus operandi.

As for your accomplishments on the forum, I wouldn’t be so sure. Personally I usually avoid your posts, but worse, I avoid making my own posts, because I don’t want to have to deal with you. That’s called a “chilling effect”.

I am reminded of that Star Trek: The Next Generation episode “Skin of Evil”, where the Enterprise picks up a distress call and learns that the shuttle is about to crash on a remote planet. A team beams down and encounters a being that does not register on the sensors. The creature, Armus, flings Yar away with an energy beam when she attempts to approach, killing her instantly. They learn that the creature was produced out of everything that was evil and vile in the beings that once lived on the planet, who then departed and left Armus behind. So, in its pain and anger, it can only feel pleasure in inflicting pain and suffering on any unfortunate beings who happen upon it.

Don’t ask me why…

[QUOTE=Asuri;57961]Don’t get your panties in a bunch, chump. You’re just like Surya Deva, so twisted up with hatred that you’re not really sure who or what you’re pissed off at. I really resent this ‘people like you’ crap. If you think I’m your enemy, you’re barking up the wrong tree, my runny nose, wet behind the ears, little hater buddy. And quit twisting my words, you punk. I didn’t say that Indians only own the Dunkin Donuts and 7 11’s,[B] I said they own ALL of them.[/B] And I said it in the context that maybe there was a little resentment because of it, but not much, and that I wasn’t aware of any hate crimes against Indians. I don’t know of anybody who has a problem with the Indians who have come to the US. They are well respected here.

Oh yeah and by the way, you seem to have missed my point completely. I didn’t say that all Hindus are arrogant, egotistical, nasty little eggheads, bigots, haters, and BS artists, I said that YOU are, and that you are giving your people a bad name because of it, capiche?

Oh yeah, I watched Ice Road Truckers when they went to India. Man, you guys can’t drive. And you need to do something about those roads.[/QUOTE]

Calm down please. Do not resort to pointless invectives and American slander jargon.

Think what you wish you. Westerners like you are so twisted in your ignorance that you think supremacy and cultural theft are O.K. “Lets take this thing from this culture but lets continue bashing this culture because we are still superior in every way.”

And how is the bolded any less offensive? This is called a [B]stereotype[/B], my ignorant and deluded friend. Saying that Indians own ALL the Dunkin Donuts and 7-11’s is like saying Mexicans are all lawn mowers and drug traffickers. But of course, you probably think this as well.

If they are well respected, then why are you saying

And quit twisting my words, you punk. I didn’t say that Indians only own the Dunkin Donuts and 7 11’s, [B]I said they own ALL of them.[/B]

and

Oh yeah, I watched Ice Road Truckers when they went to India. [B]Man, you guys can’t drive. And you need to do something about those roads.[/B]

And you guys yell at SD and I when we say Westerners are all, to certain extents, supremacists and racists?

Oh yeah and by the way, you seem to have missed my point completely. I didn’t say that all Hindus are arrogant, egotistical, nasty little eggheads, bigots, haters, and BS artists, [B]I said that YOU are,[/B] and that you are giving your people a bad name because of it, capiche?

Well, I never thought much about Hindus at all, [B]but if I were to base my opinion on the two of you, [B]I’d have to say that Hindus are[/B] arrogant, egotistical, nasty little eggheads, bigots, haters, and BS artists, although Surya Deva has mellowed a little.[/B]

No you didn’t, you bigoted prevaricate. You were making a generalizations about ALL Hindus based on the actions of two Hindus. Thats what [B]racists[/B] do, my friend. They take blow out of proportion local racial and ethnic incidents.

Thanks for showcasing your hypocrisy for the rest of the world to see. Your racism and bigotry are only proving my point.

[QUOTE=Asuri;57970]There’s a difference between being tough with somebody while also remaining calm and rational and having an undercurrent of hatred and hostility in your tone, and having your mind distorted because of it. I do employ the former, but I try to avoid the latter. For some, the latter is their primary modus operandi.

As for your accomplishments on the forum, I wouldn’t be so sure. Personally I usually avoid your posts, but worse, I avoid making my own posts, because I don’t want to have to deal with you. That’s called a “chilling effect”.[/QUOTE]

And this is called racism:

And quit twisting my words, you punk. I didn’t say that Indians only own the Dunkin Donuts and 7 11’s, I said they own ALL of them.

Oh yeah, I watched Ice Road Truckers when they went to India. Man, you guys can’t drive. And you need to do something about those roads.

Personally, I find it highly entertaining that those who proclaim to be wise and spiritual on this forum are nothing more than judgmental white bigots.

[QUOTE=Suhas Tambe;57962]My intention was to describe how immensely informative pieces at the predictable turning points descend into personal attacks prompting me to give up on that thread. Attacks by anyone are deplorable. If people of other religions write ill I don’t like it, don’t read it - since I don’t know them. Hinduism as I understand is very secular, tolerent and respectful to others. You two appeared different Hindus and that was the reason of writing the post. Perhaps even that was a mistake not worth repeating.

It is not a ‘political’ correctness, perhaps it is ‘spiritual’ sincerity. There is no need to equate erring individuals with a system of faith. In “Accept Jesus or go to Hell”, the important thing I see is that Jesus didn’t say that. It is futile to dig into the dead past for evidence of others’ wrong-doings because if one cannot live the present with ability to overcome the discrimination like “I vs rest of the world” and “us vs them”, failure to do so is an invitation for the history to repeat. Then there is no learning. And learning cannot be forced down someone’s throat. It has to ‘happen’.

If you think I want to appease someone or to play ‘holier than thou’, that’s a perception I have no interest in correcting.[/QUOTE]

But the important thing is that Jesus either a myth or a rotten corpse and that his “followers” are now deluded, bigoted, racist, and supremacist people who seek to subvert every other culture, ideology, and religion on the planet.

The important thing is Muslims and Christians are destroying Hinduism as we speak.

The important thing is that you sitting around and preaching harmony won’t change the damage being done to our culture and religion.

In fact, Hindus like you are the 3rd biggest problem in India. People like you denounce Hindu reprisal acts against Christians and Muslims and say nothing of the millennia old bigotry and hatred they have carried down to present times. You say nothing of our anti-Hindu government, they way they cozy up to Muslims and Christians by refusing to give temples to private hands and taxing them to build churches and mosques. You say nothing of the misrepresentation and ignorance of Hinduism running rampant in this world but cry afoul when people bash Christianity and Islam.

Every single day in school, I meet an Indian who has lost his touch with his culture and religion. They think that Hinduism is nothing more than a baseless collection of rituals and made-up gods with an illogical and oppressive societal system to boot. In fact, an Indian I know very well ranked faiths like this:

“Normal religions”

“Paganism”

And he said Hinduism was paganism. An [B]Indian[/B] actually said this!

Every single day, I have to hear racist remarks about Indians and India. [B]“Go back to shithole of a nation. Eat your smelly diarrhea and swing from trees like a nigger monkey all you want back there. If you feel thirsty, you can always drink from the Ganges toilet.”[/B]

“Wise” people on this forum have also opined similarly, to varying degrees. Flex Penguin, The Scales, Lotus girl, Quetzalcoatl, and now Asuri.

Why do you think most Westerners are so in love with Buddhism? Why are they never as complimentary about Hinduism or Jainism or Sikhism?

Sitting on kusha grass and preaching “spiritual sincerity” isn’t going to change the fact that Hinduism will be dead unless we start campaigning for a better representation of India, Hinduism, and Hindus AND preaching pluralism and tolerance WHILE exposing the lack thereof in Abrahamic religions.

The best place to start is Indian history. Nothing can ever be accomplished if “wise” people are arguing with infinitely more knowledgeable Indians about the origins of THEIR religion and custom.

I may get mad or angry frequently, but that is because this is a racial and religious issue. White people will never be able to understand the passionate yearnings of the people they have long oppressed throughout history. Sometimes, you must play dirty to get what you want. This is explicit stated in our scriptures.

[QUOTE=Nietzsche;57998]But the important thing is that Jesus either a myth or a rotten corpse and that his “followers” are now deluded, bigoted, racist, and supremacist people who seek to subvert every other culture, ideology, and religion on the planet.

The important thing is Muslims and Christians are destroying Hinduism as we speak.

The important thing is that you sitting around and preaching harmony won’t change the damage being done to our culture and religion.

In fact, Hindus like you are the 3rd biggest problem in India. People like you denounce Hindu reprisal acts against Christians and Muslims and say nothing of the millennia old bigotry and hatred they have carried down to present times. You say nothing of our anti-Hindu government, they way they cozy up to Muslims and Christians by refusing to give temples to private hands and taxing them to build churches and mosques. You say nothing of the misrepresentation and ignorance of Hinduism running rampant in this world but cry afoul when people bash Christianity and Islam.

Every single day in school, I meet an Indian who has lost his touch with his culture and religion. They think that Hinduism is nothing more than a baseless collection of rituals and made-up gods with an illogical and oppressive societal system to boot. In fact, an Indian I know very well ranked faiths like this:

“Normal religions”

“Paganism”

And he said Hinduism was paganism. An [B]Indian[/B] actually said this!

Every single day, I have to hear racist remarks about Indians and India. [B]“Go back to shithole of a nation. Eat your smelly diarrhea and swing from trees like a nigger monkey all you want back there. If you feel thirsty, you can always drink from the Ganges toilet.”[/B]

“Wise” people on this forum have also opined similarly, to varying degrees. Flex Penguin, The Scales, Lotus girl, Quetzalcoatl, and now Asuri.

Why do you think most Westerners are so in love with Buddhism? Why are they never as complimentary about Hinduism or Jainism or Sikhism?

Sitting on kusha grass and preaching “spiritual sincerity” isn’t going to change the fact that Hinduism will be dead unless we start campaigning for a better representation of India, Hinduism, and Hindus AND preaching pluralism and tolerance WHILE exposing the lack thereof in Abrahamic religions.

The best place to start is Indian history. Nothing can ever be accomplished if “wise” people are arguing with infinitely more knowledgeable Indians about the origins of THEIR religion and custom.

I may get mad or angry frequently, but that is because this is a racial and religious issue. White people will never be able to understand the passionate yearnings of the people they have long oppressed throughout history. Sometimes, you must play dirty to get what you want. This is explicit stated in our scriptures.[/QUOTE]

Typo Corrections:

  1. “Jesus was”
  2. “Won’t fix the damage”
  3. “millennia old…those people”
  4. “and by taxing them”
  5. “who has lost touch with their”
  6. “They think Hinduism”
  7. “Every single day, I hear”
  8. “their religions and customs”

Had posted long response, but honestly it doesn’t matter. Only reason I’m posting this is it won’t let me delete the whole thing without keeping 3 words. So there are my 3 + words.

[QUOTE=lotusgirl;58016]Had posted long response, but honestly it doesn’t matter. Only reason I’m posting this is it won’t let me delete the whole thing without keeping 3 words. So there are my 3 + words.[/QUOTE]

Please state what is on your mind. I like having discussions with you.

I read the original post by Lotus girl, where she basically said she is not racist and expressed surprise at such a label falling on her. She also stated that she did indeed applaud an anti-Hindu member, but for something they said - this does not make her racist. I think this deserves a refutation - because it is a lie. I recall that member she is talking about:

I am new to this forum and i just read the whole thread. I am an Indian dalit(so called low caste). I want to ask this this Surya guy. Has he ever heard of ‘Manu Smriti’? and what comments does he have to say on what Sage Manu has written on women and dalits?

For centuries Dalits were oppressed by the high class brahmins and kshatriyas. We were called ‘untouchables’! Still this guy has the nerve to call Buddhism as a low religion? and that Hinduism is scientific? Were the brahmins scientific in human oppression? calling them outcasts? not letting them hear the mantras of vedas?
And Lord Rama, when he came to know that a shudra(low caste) had listened to the Veda mantras, he ordered that molten mercury be poured into his ears!
Is such a thing good?

It is clear this member was anti-Hindu from the start. First Lg gave him a welcome:

whatsinaname welcome to the forum. Looking forward to future posts.

Then he went onto say some very insulting and offensive things about Hinduism. Here are a few quotes:

For thousands of years! I repeat THOUSANDS OF YEARS Brahmins and Kshatriyas relegated millions of so called low-castes to a life none better than animals! Even to this day there are temples like Tirupati where only Brahmins can cook in the temple Kitchen.
And all this guy has to say is, Hinduism is great! It is superior! blah blah blah.

Despicable

To insult and humiliate women further, the religious books speak of women having sexual intercourse with animals or expressing desire for intercourse with them. What further insult can be heaped on women.
In ‘Yajur Veda’ such references are found at a number of places where the principal wife of the host is depicted as having intercourse with a horse.

[quote]
Gajdhar Prasad Baudh says: " No woman of the Vedic age can be treated as pure. Vedic man could not keep even the relations brother-sister and father-daughter sacred from the oven of rape and debauchery/adultery named ‘Niyog’. Under the influence of intoxication of wine, they used to recognize neither their sister nor their daughter and also did not keep the relations with them in mind. It is evident from their debauchery and adultery what a miserable plight of women was society in then. (Refer ‘Arya Niti Ka Bhadaphor’. 5th Edition page 14).

Hinduism is just a religious name given to systematic exploitation of the ‘lower classes’ and women done by ‘high class’ Brahmins and Kshatriyas for thousands of years.

The gods they worship are models of worst humans. Lord Brahma had incest with his own daughter Saraswati. Rishi Narad had nothing better to do except incite people against each other.

Lord Indra is always engrossed in drinking his fave narcotic ‘soma’ and watching half naked apsaras dance in his court.

And Lord Rama sends his own wife Sita to jungle just because some washerman says she slept with Ravan! And this even when he had already ‘tested’ Sita after he won her back by defeating Ravan
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I say again: Hinduism is nothing but a system of exploitation of lower classes at the hands of Brahmins and Kshatriyas. Vedas have been used for this very purpose for thousands of years. Whole of India knows this. I am just making people of other parts of the world aware over here.

Although there are many many evidences of evils of high class brahmins I have just mentioned evidence from life of Dr B.R. Ambedkar.

Next perhaps I should mention I should mention Shri Jyotirao Phule(Marathi: जोतीबा गोविंदराव फुले) (April 11, 1827 — November 28, 1890), the great 19th century philosopher, scholar and social reformer who rose up against the tyranny of High class Hindus and who denounced Vedas.

It was clear this was an extremely anti-Hindu member by now and from a separatist political background who saw himself as spokesperson for the Dalits - the victims of Hindu. He posted post after post of separatist propoganda for the Dalits.

Now here is what Lg said to him when Whatismyname had finished and said he had presented his case.

@ Whatsinaname Yes you have. I thank you very much. You articulated your case better than many of could have. But you must realize that no matter what you say or how definitively you prove it, SD won’t budge. He either avoids the statements or shares lopsided proof. And if that doesn’t work, he will tell you that you don’t understand as he is learned, and you need to go back to basics. What you have shared has been very enlightening and I have learned much. Thank you.

Now what I fail to understand is how can Lg claim to be impartial, not anti-Hindu when she basically endorses such an extreme anti hindu, tells her hes enlightened her and applauds his efforts. I think a lot of objective readers of this forum will note that Lg has from the very start taken an anti-Hindu position. She has criticsed Hindu members for making “offensive statements” but never criticised non-Hindu members for making offensive statement. She has portrayed abuse against women, dowry, wife burning as essential features of Hinduism - and yet when crusades, inquisitions and colonialism are called essential of Christianity, she has said “Isolated cases” When I posted a link showing how Baba Ramdev was called a “A bloody Indian dog” by a Christian MP, she attacked me for a comment I made to somebody else, rather than expressing any outrage at what was said. When Pandra made an insensitive comment in the Hindu persecution thread about Hindus somehow deserving the raping, pillaging, plundering and genocide they got, and I responded by saying that Pandara’s statement was insensitive, Lg appears our of nowhere and condemns me for saying it was insensitive.

Thus how Lg thinks that she can pull this innocent act of being impartial and not anti-Hindu is beyond me.

Think what you wish you. Westerners like you are so twisted in your ignorance that you think supremacy and cultural theft are O.K. “Lets take this thing from this culture but lets continue bashing this culture because we are still superior in every way.”

And how is the bolded any less offensive? This is called a stereotype, my ignorant and deluded friend. Saying that Indians own ALL the Dunkin Donuts and 7-11’s is like saying Mexicans are all lawn mowers and drug traffickers. But of course, you probably think this as well.

This quote is just to show you how much of your garbage I’m willing to read. It makes me feel bad, that something like this should happen on this forum. It’s a shame. You just don’t get it. I hope you grow up someday.

I wanted to add this is a very old trick that Christian missionaries have used against Hinduism for a century now. The untouchables and low castes are made to feel that their poor condition in society is due to the evil Hindus and that if they renounce their religion and become Christian then they will escape this evil caste system of the evil Hindu. Today exactly the same thing goes on, huge Church organizations from America, UK, Europe and so-called secular Western charity and humanitarian organizations in the name of ending the suffering of the Dalit community, incite separatism and encourage them to turn against Hinduism. In fact there is an entire party in India called the BSP that uses Dalit separatist politics and is scarily the third largest political party in India.

The international scholar and intellectual Rajiv Malhotra has uncovered nefarious activity going on in India sponsored by Church organizations, Islamic organizations to split India up into several countries. The Muslims organizations are trying to create a large Muslim super state in North India called Mughalistan . The Church organizations are trying to create a South Indian state of Dravidians and a North East Indian state of Dalitstan - using the same politics of Aryan/Dravidians.

This is very much real and underway as we speak. Now can people understand why we Hindus today have had enough of Abrahamic religions? What will people like Suhas do to stop this?

[QUOTE=Asuri;58027]This quote is just to show you how much of your garbage I’m willing to read. It makes me feel bad, that something like this should happen on this forum. It’s a shame. You just don’t get it. I hope you grow up someday.[/QUOTE]

This post is to show that I harbor no hatred or malice to you for making such racist and ignorant comments about India, Indians, and Hindus.

Let’s summarize all the things Asuri has said in this thread

And quit twisting my words, you punk. I didn’t say that Indians only own the Dunkin Donuts and 7 11’s, I said they own ALL of them.

Oh yeah, I watched Ice Road Truckers when they went to India. Man, you guys can’t drive. And you need to do something about those roads.

Well, I never thought much about Hindus at all, but if I were to base my opinion on the two of you, I’d have to say that Hindus are arrogant, egotistical, nasty little eggheads, bigots, haters, and BS artists, although Surya Deva has mellowed a little.

I am old enough to recognize that comments like these are not borne out of anger or frustration but a deep-seated bigotry. When one is angry, they usually attack the person and not the race. When someone attacks the race, it is obvious they are trying to hurt you by drawing upon common stereotypes and racial biases.

I feel sorry for you Asuri, for once again I am presented with an all too familiar case: Westerners who think they are enlightened just by reading Indian scriptures but, in fact, have nothing to show for it.

I hope that one day, come to realize your ignorance and bigotry and come to terms with it.

@Sd

And your point is? I find nothing in my comments racist at all! I recall those posts quite well and as any objective reader can see, Whatsinaname brought up some very good points. Up to that point all we heard is you saying Hinduism is superior. You have always cherry picked quotes/responses that suit your purpose/case. Whatsinaname is Indian and did bring up a different side of the argument. Right or wrong, it is a darker side of Hinduism that needs to be part of the bigger picture. Just like crusades are part of Christian history that cannot be disputed. It happened.

As far as Pandara, I did not condemn you. Pandara asked you a question about karma.
SD,

I apologise if my comment was used by YogiAdam in a context that was not intended and i am not a genius, I just want to understand.

I do strongly belief in the laws of karma and reincarnation. It is therefore important for me to understand how you as a hindu see what is happening and has happened to India from that pov. How do you as a Hindu explain all this killings and invasions of India and the rape of her people from that background, because these are two concepts as I undertsand it that is fundamental to Hindu thinking. I know that my hindu friends in SA always say they thank their good karma that they didn’t reincarnate in India, all of them always return after the first trip to India and vow never to go back.

The above is from Pandara to you explaining his comment. And below is my comment:

SD,

Pandara shared his POV and asked you a simple question. And honestly, it is a good observation and question. I think he understands karma quite well. But why must you take everything everyone says and turn it into something negative?

@ N,

Surely you were kidding in your post to me.
I am truly sorry for angry words that have said to you by those in your school/community. As I’ve said before, the vast majority of people I know do not feel this way about Indians/Hindu’s. I’ve experienced quite the opposite.

Only the 2 of you have had issues with me, labeling me a racist. You have this imbedded in your heads and nothing I say will change it, so why try. That’s why I deleted my original post. It matters not.

We have some lovely green spaces in my hamlet that I enjoy walking my dog Max. I especially liked taking him along a treed berm where he would go wild with all the smells. But, a couple of people moved into the houses along that space whose backyards back on to the berm that own very mean, snarly dogs that would throw themselves against the chain link fence, barking madly and baring their fangs menacingly whenever we walked by. So, we have to avoid that lovely space now. Poor Max.

Whatsinaname brought up some very good points. Up to that point all we heard is you saying Hinduism is superior. You have always cherry picked quotes/responses that suit your purpose/case. Whatsinaname is Indian and did bring up a different side of the argument. Right or wrong, it is a darker side of Hinduism that needs to be part of the bigger picture. Just like crusades are part of Christian history that cannot be disputed. It happened.

Lg, it is fine you know, you can be anti-Hindu if you want. I am anti-Abrahamic. The only difference is I don’t pretend to be impartial like you do. It is blatantly obvious to an objective reader you are anti-Hindu. An anti-Hindu member joins the forum calling Hinduism a scientific religion of oppression, slurring against it, abusing its gods and holy figures, and citing perverted translations of its holy scriptures - and you applaud this member and tell him he is has enlightened you.

Do you think the objective reader is stupid? It is clear you are anti-Hindu - and as Hindu is also a race called Indians - that makes you racist too. We know your loyalties lie with Abrahamic religions that is why when anybody criticises Abahamic religions, you appear out of nowhere and jump in to defend them. It is interesting you now admit that crusades were a part of Christianity, before you were saying, “isolated incident” :smiley:

To portray some practice as an essential feature of a religion you need to first show that its actually a part of the core doctrine of that religion. While, I can easily do that with Christianity and Islam where in the top scriptures itself there are explicit instructions and descriptions to convert pagans to Christianity or Islam, or kill them, you will not be able to that for Hinduism where there are explicit instructions to practice ahimsa(non violence and violence as the last resort) and no conversion doctrines. Where society is directly enjoined to become sagely - compassionate, noble, loving, wise.

So you are fighting a battle you are going to definitely lose. So you resort to fallacies and dirty politics: First you bring up caste system problems India suffered in the 19th century and onwards as an essential feature of Hinduism, but cannot provide any evidence that it existed in this form prior to the 19th century - and when you are provided evidence showing it didn’t - you ignore it. Then you bring up bad translations done by Christian missionaries of the Vedas and invent evidence of casteism in there. Then when you are made aware these are not authentic translations, you ignore it.

You are through and through anti Hindu, and I have strong doubts about your honesty.

[QUOTE=lotusgirl;58037]@Sd

And your point is? I find nothing in my comments racist at all! I recall those posts quite well and as any objective reader can see, Whatsinaname brought up some very good points. Up to that point all we heard is you saying Hinduism is superior. You have always cherry picked quotes/responses that suit your purpose/case. Whatsinaname is Indian and did bring up a different side of the argument. Right or wrong, it is a darker side of Hinduism that needs to be part of the bigger picture. Just like crusades are part of Christian history that cannot be disputed. It happened.

As far as Pandara, I did not condemn you. Pandara asked you a question about karma.
SD,

The above is from Pandara to you explaining his comment. And below is my comment:

@ N,

Surely you were kidding in your post to me.
I am truly sorry for angry words that have said to you by those in your school/community. As I’ve said before, the vast majority of people I know do not feel this way about Indians/Hindu’s. I’ve experienced quite the opposite.

Only the 2 of you have had issues with me, labeling me a racist. You have this imbedded in your heads and nothing I say will change it, so why try. That’s why I deleted my original post. It matters not.[/QUOTE]

Once again, it isn’t necessarily a “darker part of Hinduism.” Its a darker part of Indian history and society.

Every single history professor/teacher I have talked to in my school asserts the same thing. One of them even told me that its too ignorant and simplistic to say that “caste” is a part of Hinduism.

Something analogous to this is slavery in the Western world (especially in America). It is equally retarded to say slavery is completely intrinsic to Christianity just because it existed in Christianity dominated nations.

Do pick up a history book next time, preferably one not written by a white supremacist.

[QUOTE=FlexPenguin;58048]We have some lovely green spaces in my hamlet that I enjoy walking my dog Max. I especially liked taking him along a treed berm where he would go wild with all the smells. But, a couple of people moved into the houses along that space whose backyards back on to the berm that own very mean, snarly dogs that would throw themselves against the chain link fence, barking madly and baring their fangs menacingly whenever we walked by. So, we have to avoid that lovely space now. Poor Max.[/QUOTE]

How profound.

There was once a man who thought he was wise. Then he met two guys and started showing his true racist colors to them. The whole world laughed at him for his hypocrisy.

Moral: LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

Actually David I don’t think this Religion section of the forum has been very positive. I feel it has been counterproductive. What should be an open dialogue between has become a battlefield. And because this has become a battlefield, the listening has stopped. There is no listening here anymore. No open respectful dialogue . Just the pointing of fingers. While in someways it may have helped some of us re-evaluate how we present ourselves online, for others it gives them a platform to in which to repeatively restate the same arugements over and over again. What should have been a learning relationship and an enlightening conversation between many faiths has become a disappointment. What new things have I learned about other faiths outside of Christianity? NOTHING! All I hear when I come here is “Who is a bigot”, “Racist” “Anti-Hindu”, “Idoit” …I can probably quote half this section of the forum and be here for a year doing so. Because of the above, there has been no real dialogue but trash talking. And I for one don’t care to read about who’s right or wrong.

So for me this is the beginning. Where do we stop? When does this STOP! What good does it do to call a name or throw an insult? Does it make your ego feel better? I know for myself it does not. Rather it hurts my ego and feeds my negativity. This in turn then feeds my anger, frustration, and in the end causes unneeded stress. Why, because I have violated Ahimsa. I have committed a harm (whether physical or not) against another.

Nameste
To ALL those who live in this universe.
TeeA

[QUOTE=TeeA;58151]So for me this is the beginning. Where do we stop? When does this STOP! What good does it do to call a name or throw an insult? Does it make your ego feel better? I know for myself it does not. Rather it hurts my ego and feeds my negativity. This in turn then feeds my anger, frustration, and in the end causes unneeded stress. Why, because I have violated Ahimsa. I have committed a harm (whether physical or not) against another.[/QUOTE]
We obviously can’t stop others. What can we do for ourselves so that we don’t violate what we hold dear?

[QUOTE=David;58152]We obviously can’t stop others. What can we do for ourselves so that we don’t violate what we hold dear?[/QUOTE]

We can refrain from reacting.