[QUOTE=Nietzsche;51930]Where in India do you visit? This might clear up any misunderstandings.[/QUOTE]
I have already told you some of the places I’ve been to. If you want a comprehensive list then: I have been to Mumbai, Delhi, Bangalore, Hyderabad, Kerela, Goa, Hardiwar, Rishikesh, Jaipur, Jaiselmer, Agra, Pune, Punjab.
There is not a single place in India where I did not face rampant corruption, poverty and illiteracy.
There is no misunderstanding here. You are simply not facing up to hard facts about Indian corruption. In the links above people experienced corruption at Mumbai international, Delhi international and Bangalore international.
[QUOTE=Surya Deva;51934]I have already told you some of the places I’ve been to. If you want a comprehensive list then: I have been to Mumbai, Delhi, Bangalore, Hyderabad, Kerela, Goa, Hardiwar, Rishikesh, Jaipur, Jaiselmer, Agra, Pune, Punjab.
There is not a single place in India where I did not face rampant corruption, poverty and illiteracy.
There is no misunderstanding here. You are simply not facing up to hard facts about Indian corruption. In the links above people experienced corruption at Mumbai international, Delhi international and Bangalore international.[/QUOTE]
Ah thanks.
Once again, I am not denying any of this exists, especially when I have seen the worse things before the economic boom. I was just very puzzled about your airport experiences because I have never heard of this before. It was just a new thing for me, thats all.
Actually, these mudslinging contests (:D) make me want to visit India over the summer and see the situation there for myself. Maybe I can tag along with my dad on one of his business trips.
How was Hyderabad by the way? Did you see a place called “Aarti Hotel” in Himayatnagar? My family owns that.
There are things which are backwards about the West and India.
What is backwards about the West, but which is more advanced in India today?
The problem arises when those are at the top of the world do nothing but denounce and scorn those below them, instead of helping them. With great power comes great responsibility, not chauvinism, racism, and arrogance. I consider this to be a greater evil, more so than anything else.
The West are at the top because they are developed countries, more weathly, less corrupt, better infrastructure, better education, better living standards, better civil and human rights. India was at the top in the past prior to colonial rule for the same reasons.
I would prefer to live in a more developed part of the world than a less developed part of the world, who wouldn’t? I recall an Indian man once saying to me in India, “I am born in the wrong country, I should have been born in the West”
[QUOTE=Surya Deva;51937]What is backwards about the West, but which is more advanced in India today?
The West are at the top because they are developed countries, more weathly, less corrupt, better infrastructure, better education, better living standards, better civil and human rights. India was at the top in the past prior to colonial rule for the same reasons.
I would prefer to live in a more developed part of the world than a less developed part of the world, who wouldn’t? I recall an Indian man once saying to me in India, “I am born in the wrong country, I should have been born in the West”[/QUOTE]
Sigh* I would rather not dispute this once more. It is clear we have experienced different sides of the West.
So would I. Then again, what is the point of living in a developed country when there is nothing that keeps you at peace with yourself? When you face nothing but scorn, hatred, ignorance…
I know many people who have told me “India is a toilet/garbage heap/etc. But I have gotten more out of it than any other place.” One of these people would be myself.
Anyway, this thread careened way of course. I think we can agree that there is nothing wrong with Hindutva, besides the nationalistic aspects?
You face greater scorn, hatred and ignorance in India. Isn’t it a fact that every state in India has a succession movemements, is it not a fact that India is home to several terrorist groups? You should stop pretending that these issues are only particular to the West. India has far worse problems. Caste discrimination is still rampant in rural India, 70% of India.
The West in every aspect of society is better than India. There is not a single area of society India is better in today. In fact India today resembles the West several decades ago. It is only starting to experience what it is like to have a middle class and consumerist lifestyle. It is following the same failed growth pattern of the West. The problems that exist in the West are now coming to India: the airheadedness of the youth, diabetes and overweightness, dysfunctional families, climbing divorce rates and adultery, pornography.
India is just wannabe West today. Nobody respects a wannabe.
[QUOTE=Surya Deva;51940]You face greater scorn, hatred and ignorance in India. Isn’t it a fact that every state in India has a succession movemements, is it not a fact that India is home to several terrorist groups? You should stop pretending that these issues are only particular to the West. India has far worse problems. Caste discrimination is still rampant in rural India, 70% of India.
The West in every aspect of society is better than India. There is not a single area of society India is better in today. In fact India today resembles the West several decades ago. It is only starting to experience what it is like to have a middle class and consumerist lifestyle. It is following the same failed growth pattern of the West. The problems that exist in the West are now coming to India: the airheadedness of the youth, diabetes and overweightness, dysfunctional families, climbing divorce rates and adultery, pornography.
India is just wannabe West today. Nobody respects a wannabe.[/quote]
If there is any hope for India that is for India to return to its Vedic roots. I repeat:
Replace the capitalist system with the varnashrama dharma system.
Replace the education system with the gurukula system
Replace the medical system with the Ayurveda system
Replace health care and personal management and gyms with Yoga
Replace architecture and engineering with Vaastu
Replace English with Sanskrit
Replace the MTV system with the Sargam system
Revive the study of the Vedas, darsanas, epics, Sanskrit grammar and make it compulsory
This is more likely to happen in the West than in India.
[QUOTE=Surya Deva;51945]If there is any hope for India that is for India to return to its Vedic roots. I repeat:
Replace the capitalist system with the varnashrama dharma system.
Replace the education system with the gurukula system
Replace the medical system with the Ayurveda system
Replace health care and personal management and gyms with Yoga
Replace architecture and engineering with Vaastu
Replace English with Sanskrit
Replace the MTV system with the Sargam system
Revive the study of the Vedas, darsanas, epics, Sanskrit grammar and make it compulsory
This is more likely to happen in the West than in India.[/QUOTE]
We shall see what happens within a couple of decades, when I am around 50-60 and you are an old geezer.
I hate it when people make predictions about what is going to happen in the distant future It is because they assume that the way the current world is going is going to continue as it today. If the British thought that prior to WW2, they would have thought there would still be a British empire in the future. The Nazis thought that, they imagined a 1000 year rule of the third Reich, it barely even lasted half a decade.
So many have predicted this massive rise of India and China by 2030-2040 overtaking America to become the most powerful counties etc - but who knows what happens before then. Maybe there will be a massive global cataclysm such as a third world war that destroys India and China, and most of the world or maybe the entire world becomes one and nation states become history.
To make useful and realistic predictions about what is going to happen in the future one only has to look at the trends in global affairs currently to predict what may happen in the near future. If we look at those, here is what is happening in the world today:
Global economic breakdown: The rise of the middle class markets in developing world, especially India and China and caused the rebalancing of capital in the world. This is leading to a reduction in living standards in the West, loss of jobs and riots. This will in turn spur tensions between the West and the East. China is preparing for war with the West and Western allies such as India in the next 5 years.
Political breakdown: There are riots taking place all around the world against the government, including in UK, France and Greece. Recently in Tunisia, Egypt and now Iran.
Israel is very scared of the change in the political landscape of the Middle East and its increasing islamaization. There is a very good possibility of war breaking out between the Middle East and Israel in the next 5 years.
The nuclearization of rougue states: The number of states with nuclear weapons in the next 5 years will be double or triple the current number, and many of these are rouge such as North Korea. There is also a very real risk of Pakistan being overtaken by radical islamists.
Forget about projecting 30-40 years in the future, if humanity can get past the next 5 years without WWIII and nuclear holocaust which kills billions on the planet, then we will be very lucky.
Part my prediction on the destruction of India is based on Vedic knowledge of yugas or time cycles. We are currently at the age of an age. India has been falling for the past 5000 years and today it is at its most fallen state. To me the history of India for the past 5000 years has been the history of a dying civilisation. The history of the West for the last 500 years has been that of a rising civilisation. It is the West’s turn to shine now. This is why spirituality is coming to the West.
This world is about to face massive changes where the old will be destroyed to make way for the new. India represents the old, America the new.
[QUOTE=Surya Deva;51989]Part my prediction on the destruction of India is based on Vedic knowledge of yugas or time cycles. We are currently at the age of an age. India has been falling for the past 5000 years and today it is at its most fallen state. To me the history of India for the past 5000 years has been the history of a dying civilisation. The history of the West for the last 500 years has been that of a rising civilisation. It is the West’s turn to shine now. This is why spirituality is coming to the West.
This world is about to face massive changes where the old will be destroyed to make way for the new. India represents the old, America the new.[/QUOTE]
No, America is also dying. You have to live here to see it. The conservative party is on the rise. Anti-Islamic and nationalistic sentiments are at an all time high. Its trade deficit is increasing. Its economy shows little signs of truly getting better in the long run. Education standards are failing and ignorance, as a result, is on the rise. The so-called “Bible thumpers” seem to be gaining alarming strength and influence with passing years, as reflected in the increasing amounts of “anti-evolution” and “anti-BBT” sentiments. The majority of the population doesn’t even believe in global warming. You know something is wrong when even something as small as THAT happens. An alarming amount of school districts are starting to teach Creationism, instead of evolution. What heresy! Our Lord God Newton, ashamed He would be if he witnessed this spectacle!
Besides, the government is getting increasingly jittery over the threat of radical Islam (redundant, I know). They are starting to put GPS devices underneath suspect’s cards for heaven’s sake.
If its anyone that will be on the top, its China. They won’t get into a war with America/India any time soon. Their first priority is to first secure the necessary resources for their population and worldwide political/economic influence. It was recently in the news that China is slowly starting to buy out major American corporations. Once this happens (may take a few decades longer), then we can seriously start SERIOUSLY contemplating China’s military ambitions, old geezer.
WHEEEEEE! Humanity is its own biggest joke! The world lacks any absolute morality or reality! I seriously think the human race should just…be gone. Then the animals and the plants and the bacteria and the protists and the fungi and the eubacteria and the archaebacteria can all live in peace…
The West is definitely not a dying civilisation. Practically, the entire modern world is the product of Western civilisation. It is their education system, economic system, legal systems and political systems the entire world is following. This is why I was pointing out the absurdity in you condemning the West, when India and China have adopted Western systems and India and China crave Western lifestyles themselves, especially Indians.
What you see in the West in terms of changes happening in education, politics and philosophy is not the sign of decline, but the signs of massive changes. Changes = destruction of old, and transformation of the old into the new.
I saw several videos on youtube today on the so-called superior Indian and Chinese education system. There is one particular one, a documentary entitled “2 Million Minutes” which raises alarm as to the falling standards of Americans in education and how they are getting eclipsed by India and China. However, a very valid point is made by critics of this documentary, while it is true that Indian and Chinese students have a stronger work ethic than Western students today, they lack the all round social and emotional development that Western students go through. In the West, education is not just about what you learn at university, but about college life, relationships, partying, sports, which appeal to the students emotional and sexual development as well.
India and China only have a strong work ethic because they are currently developing countries with immense poverty(more so India) and the current generations of Indians are coming from families who only recently became wealthy. Thus the value of education and work is drilled into the students. Over time, as has happened in the West, the next generations of Indians will become complacent and take their affluence for granted. This can already be seen by the demand by the current generations of Indians for more liberal education. The recent blockbuster movie, “3 Idiots” was a satire of the work ethic drilled into Indian students by the Indian education system and became a huge success with the Indian youth and sparked off debate in the media and society on whether the Indian education system was too strict. This harks back to a few decades ago in the West when Western education was liberalized because it was too strict.
Hence why I maintain there is nothing special about India and China. They are succesful now only because they offer a huge booming market of middle class and they provide cheap labour. The West has already passed this stage a few decades ago - been there and done that and got the t shirt - it is moving onto a new chapter in its future, whereas India and China are repeating its past. But the real question that needs to be asked is do we actually want new developing countries to repeat the same mistakes the West has, or is time not just for the the West, but the entire world to turn a new leaf?
The West and other advanced countries have proven that capitalism is not a sustainable system and eventually leads to mass economic meltdown. And there are not enough resources on this planet for India and China now to repeat the same growth the West has. So basically we have a situation of global conflict arising. This is why China is saying it is preparing for war in the next 5 years in every “stragetic direction” This world is not big enough for the West, India and China at once. This is why a world war is very likely within the next 5 years.
You do not have any expertise in politics, strategic matters, international relations and economics. For that matter neither do I. But the people who do are saying very clearly in the next 5 years major wars are going to erupt on this planet. The military of India and China themselves are saying this. The CIA have also forecasted this.
You seem to be living under this delusion of the rise of India and China to superpowerdom in a couple of decades and the fall of the West, without really being aware of the actual reality of what is happening in this world right now.
[QUOTE=Surya Deva;52012]The West is definitely not a dying civilisation. Practically, the entire modern world is the product of Western civilisation. It is their education system, economic system, legal systems and political systems the entire world is following.
You seem to be living under this delusion of the rise of India and China to superpowerdom in a couple of decades and the fall of the West, without really being aware of the actual reality of what is happening in this world right now.[/QUOTE]
The US was powerful. But it is now trying to live on past glory. Look at the US trade deficit today -more than a TRILLION dollars. The US was a dominant creditor a little over a couple of decades ago. It is now the world’s largest debtor and with no known way of repaying that debt ! Dont be fooled by the current life styes. The US is running on debt- it sealed its fate when your political system moved away from a manufacturing society into a "services " society. The US system actively encourages consumption and discourages savings. The US is currently living a good life- but so would I if I started spending all the capital that my forefathers saved. But only savings add to capital and capital is required for investments. Without this , it would not be long before I run out of the money my forefathers worked for and left for me… When that happens, I will be bankrupt. The US is heading the same way. The only reason why the crash has not come so far is the fact that the Dollar is still the currency for international settlements- again a gift of the Bretton Woods. India and China, on the other hand, are investing in manufacturing, have large savings levels and while services are an important of the economy, I think we all realise that without manufacturing, we would also tread the path of ruin. and this is taken cognizance of by public policy.
I think these changes will occur within the next decade - it s time for the Asian Tiger !
[QUOTE=reaswaran;52013]The US was powerful. But it is now trying to live on past glory. Look at the US trade deficit today -more than a TRILLION dollars. The US was a dominant creditor a little over a couple of decades ago. It is now the world’s largest debtor and with no known way of repaying that debt ! Dont be fooled by the current life styes. The US is running on debt- it sealed its fate when your political system moved away from a manufacturing society into a "services " society. The US system actively encourages consumption and discourages savings. The US is currently living a good life- but so would I if I started spending all the capital that my forefathers saved. But only savings add to capital and capital is required for investments. Without this , it would not be long before I run out of the money my forefathers worked for and left for me… When that happens, I will be bankrupt. The US is heading the same way. The only reason why the crash has not come so far is the fact that the Dollar is still the currency for international settlements- again a gift of the Bretton Woods. India and China, on the other hand, are investing in manufacturing, have large savings levels and while services are an important of the economy, I think we all realise that without manufacturing, we would also tread the path of ruin. and this is taken cognizance of by public policy.
I think these changes will occur within the next decade - it s time for the Asian Tiger ![/QUOTE]
Thank you for saying what I did not want to waste the time to say. Surya Deva is “blinded by his love for the West; anyone who denies the fact that the [West] is [declining] is an idiot.”
You see, the West can say whatever it wants of their students, while the Chinese and the Indians continually outperform them. It just doesn’t accept the fact that its …
And you do have a point (sorry reaswaran, I am referring to SD, not you). Neither of us have any expertise in this. My views and your views are flawed in that they subscribe to a certain aspect of the whole picture. I think this argument should wait until I am in AP Government and Comparative Government and AP Economics.
I do, however, certainly have the benefit of a college level World History and U.S History course.
I think you and N are missing the point I am making, which I have illustrated many times throughout this thread: poverty and spirituality do not get together. The poor demand wealth and the rich demand spirituality. India when it had abundant wealth for countless generations was the most spiritual place in this world. It gave birth to Yoga, Ayurveda, Samkhya, Vedanta, Vaastu, Jyotisha, Natya, Sanskrit, Mahabharata, Ramayana.
Today, India is not a wealthy country. Hence why there is little to no spirituality in India today. It is highly corrupt, highly poor, highly illiterate, high in malnutrition. This situation is changing for a few in India, who are only recently starting to taste wealth again. Because they know the value of wealth, they work hard(work ethic) This is not just specific to India, work ethics are stronger throughout developing countries. Developing countries appreciate the value of wealth. India and China, the leaders of the developing world, have relatively not been affected by the economic crisis because they are frugal with money. Their education system also produces higher skilled workers, because they worker harder - they have no choice not to.
Today, the West are the wealthiest countries and have been wealthy for several generations. But as you should know, wealth does not satisfy a human being because a human has higher and spiritual needs. Hence why there is a rise of spirituality in the West. The West have the highest rates of depression, stress, heart disease, obesity, divorce and single-parent families. All of these are indicators of a society craving for more. You can see this clearly in the rise of sub-groups like punk and rock, emos, hippies, new-age - this is a society undergoing an existential crisis which has been ongoing for the last century. It first began with the romantics and transcendentalists, then with the new age movement, counter-cultural movements and human potential movements. Now, a new movement has begun within the West called the consciousness revolution.
You and N have an oversimplified understanding of the Western world. You see it a bastion of materialism, greed, evil, debauchery, ignorance, laziness, fat people and are celeberating what you see as its decline, without realising India itself is several decades behind the West, and is following exactly the same growth pattern the West has. You are confident that in a few decades India will rise to the top, but it will not face the problems the West has. This is where you are wrong. India will face exactly the same problems the West has, for it is following in its footsteps. The problems that plague the West are now entering into India's middle class as well:
Increase in divorce rates:
It is wedding season in India, the time of year when astrologers say the omens are best for a long and successful marriage.
Traditionally these were arranged by the two families and the weight of social pressure ensured divorces hardly ever happened.
But as it grows wealthier, so India's old taboos are being challenged, and the chances of this year's newly-weds staying together for the rest of their lives are slimmer than ever.
"There has been a huge change, a drastic change and divorce rates are increasing," Dr Geetanjali Sharma, a marriage counsellor working in Gurgaon, a wealthy Delhi satellite city, told the BBC.
"There's been a 100% increase in divorce rates in the past five years alone."
Most of those splitting up are members of India's thriving, urban middle class whose lives have been transformed by India's boom, and whose aspirations are radically different to those of their parents and grandparents.
Increase in obesity:
NEW DELHI: India's economic boom is changing the way its people die. Diseases linked to affluence, especially heart problems, are overtaking poverty-related illnesses such as tuberculosis and diarrhoea as the biggest killers.
As these middle-class ''lifestyle'' diseases grab public attention, aid workers and child health advocates fear they could distract from efforts to eradicate easily preventable diseases that mostly affect the poor.
A new government study shows heart disease accounted for about a quarter of all deaths of those aged between 25 and 69 between 2001 and 2003. This compares with one in 10 for tuberculosis and about one in 20 for diarrhoea.
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In urban areas a third of deaths resulted from heart disease. The figures, from the Registrar General of India and the Indian Council of Medical Research, showed malaria, once one of the worst killers, now accounts for only 2.8 per cent of deaths.
Dr P. C. Bhatnagar, of the Voluntary Health Association of India, said the country was in an ''epidemiological transition'' that will lead to non-communicable diseases such as heart problems accounting for a growing proportion of deaths.
This shift coincides with rapid economic growth and the huge expansion of cities over the past two decades.
Health experts attribute the increased prevalence of deadly lifestyle diseases to sedentary urban lifestyles among the booming middle class, the rise of vehicle ownership and a higher intake of fatty foods.
Increase in porn:
KOLKATA: West Bengal, especially the suburbs around state capitalKolkata, is fast becoming the hub for “desi” pornographic business.
In a startling revelation it has been found that youngsters from established families, influential and educated people are voluntarily participating in the flesh trade.
The CID and the Detective Department of the West Bengal police are baffled following the revelation that the operators of the trade no more hire professional sex workers or use hidden cameras in hotel rooms to shoot the “desi” pornographic movies.
Educated people, including doctors, small businessmen and young college students sometimes volunteer to take part in the movies in the lure of easy money.
What I am telling you and N is common sense, and you are simply refusing to listen to your elder :P. What is happening in India can be predicted by scientific models of human psychology, such as the one put forward by Maslow. Poor people want wealth, rich people want spirituality. In fact, I think middle class Indians are already making the move to the next stage already: the search for emotional fulfilment.
India resembles the West a few decades ago. It will be identical to the West in a few more decades. You too experience the same changes the West are experiencing today. But this is assuming that you have a few decades. Here is another place where you show your innocence You assume the world will just continue as it is now for another few decades where India will be the next superpower.
But the reality is far different from your dream. You obviously do not keep abreast of what is happening in the world. Last time I checked, there were major revolutions taking place across the Middle East, China was sending troops into the Indian border, forcing Indian residents out of their areas and painting rocks saying it belongs to them, Indian military was preparing for war with China by 2017, Chinese military is preparing for war in all "strategic directions" and CIA is forecasting dozens of rougue nations going nuclear. When you are living in a world like that you should not dream ahead a few decades.
Nothing that I ever say is speculative or based on faith. I always adhere to hard facts and provide citations whereever I can. What I am presenting you here is unadulterated facts. You are either misunderstanding me or deliberately not listening - fools
You know, I too can produce similar facts and statistics on the degradation of America and the West; I would rather not though since you do not listen. You are either misunderstanding me or deliberately not listening - fool.
Through you, I am beginning to empathize with the people who hate us.
I think you and N are missing the point I am making, which I have illustrated many times throughout this thread: poverty and spirituality do not get together. :p[/QUOTE]
SD, you quote an opinion and pass it off as a fact. Poverty is not a desirable thing. Agreed. Poverty and Spirituality have no connection. Poverty is in relation to the body. Spirituality is not. Your thesis seems to be that only when material wants are satisfied , can a human think of realisation. I am afraid I do not accept Maslow on this count. Nor is it borne out by history. Do you think all Yogis are rolling in wealth ? Why did Gautama Siddhartha feel the need to turn his back on his kingdom to seek enlightenment ? Why do the yogis of yore go to the forest ?
Why is it thought helpful to abandon your wordly belongings in your spirtual quest ?
Yes, spirituality today has been made a commodity and is being marketed well. For that we have the west to thank. Come and have a look in India whenever one the saintly souls give a talk. The audiences run into lakhs and it is not the well off who are prominent. Dont judge spirituality by the cult gurus today- they are those who fool gullible westerners by creating an aura around them -they are the creation of the west.
True spirituality is internal. Try to enter any one of the major temples in India on festival day - you will begin to get a feel of whether we are spiritual or not. Come and see the villages in India and you will get a feel. You can’t understand the spiritual ethos of India without residing here. If you have just visited and think you understand, you dont.
I don’t know a single poor country that is spiritual, including Tibet. Spirituality never thrives in poverty. Even the example you give of Gautama Buddha supports my argument, he was born into a rich aristocratic family and lived a life of luxury, and only later turned towards spirituality. Is it just a mere coincidence that the supporters of spirituality in the world today are all wealthy? The growing 50 million Americans who are wealthy and educated are the biggest endorsers of spirituality and biggest practitioners of Yoga.
I floated this point by my mother as well, and she is no philosopher or academic, but even she thought my point that spirituality does not thrive in poverty was pure common sense.
It is no coincidence at all that India the land of Risis, the inventor of Sanskrit, Yoga, Ayurveda, Samkhya, Vedanta was the most richest land in the world right up to the 18th century by a huge margin. This is because any land that is wealthy, then starts to turn inwards and ask existential questions - simply because they have luxury to. This is also why philosophy takes off in urban cultures, such as India and Greece. In non-urban cultures such as Africa, Americas, Australia it did not take off.
The West is going through exactly the same growth pattern. It has been wealthy for several centuries now and now it is starting to ask existential questions - because it has the luxury to. It is starting to research scientifically into consciousnes - because it has the luxury to.
You claim there is spirituality in India? Where? In the temples? Are you kidding me? I have been to temples in India. They are highly commercialized, overcroweded and full of superstitious people. In a temple I visited in Hardiwar, me and my ex were rudely rushed by the temple staff, we went around the the idol, only to be hit on the back by a priest(we still don’t know what was the point of that) and there were thousands doing this. It was like being processed in an asssembly line. In the Hare Krishna temple in Delhi, at every main juncture in the temple tiself there were shops and stalls strategicially placed to make people spend their money.
I do not see any indication of spirituality in India, even Rishikesh the capital of spirituality was full of sahdus on the street who were trying to con gullible Westerners.
I have even been able to give actual demographical data showing the rise of spiritual people in the West and several examples of spiritual media from popular media. All you have given me is heresay. Where are these spiritual Indians you talk off? I want facts and figures.
Why are you find it is so difficult to face facts? India wants wealth and craves materialism. It no longer is the spiritual centre of the world. Move on with the times.
[QUOTE=Nietzsche;52047]You know, I too can produce similar facts and statistics on the degradation of America and the West; I would rather not though since you do not listen. You are either misunderstanding me or deliberately not listening - fool.
Through you, I am beginning to empathize with the people who hate us. :D[/QUOTE]
You are trying to have your cake and eat it at the same time
I already know there are similar facts and statistics about America and the West, that is why my point was to show that India is following the same growth pattern and it becoming increasingly more like America as it develops.
The irony is your hypocrisy in how you condemn America and the West and gloat about its decline, and celeberate India’s rise - to what? - to becoming more like America and the West
[QUOTE=Surya Deva;52112]You are trying to have your cake and eat it at the same time
I already know there are similar facts and statistics about America and the West, that is why my point was to show that India is following the same growth pattern and it becoming increasingly more like America as it develops.
The irony is your hypocrisy in how you condemn America and the West and gloat about its decline, and celeberate India’s rise - to what? - to becoming more like America and the West :D[/QUOTE]
“I hate it when people make predictions about what is going to happen in the distant future. It is because they assume that the way the current world is going is going to continue as it today.”
You assume the world will just continue as it is now for another few decades where India will be the next superpower.
