Humility vs Arrogance: Which works better?

In the recent years, I have been vacillating between humility and arrogance, as long time members on this forum may seem to notice in my posts. Sometimes my attitude is of asserting ones godliness, divinity and and believing in ones omnipotence, to behave like a god and assert one self over the other, and sometimes my attitude is one of humility, to surrender oneself to the divine, to recognize the divine in others and to emphasize ones humanity and brethren with humanity.

I have played with both attitudes in the recent years, and I feel like I have started to recognize the energy the attitude produces. I want to share those insights with you and see if you have noticed the same.

“I am god” attitude: Even saying the words, “I am god” which I say with the Sanskrit Vedantic equivalent Aham Brahmasmi I am that infinite, omnipotent and eternal power, produces an instant shift in energy, one feels supremely confident as if one has taken a shot of cocaine! It feels really good to say it, it charges ones entire being. One will also note the shift in the physiology, the spine will become straighter, the eyes will look out straight fearlessly and a lot more energy will be running through the body.

Brilliant yes? Who needs cocaine, when you could just say ‘Aham Brahmasmi’ But I also find at the same time it produces a mental attitude of arrogance. When I say this, it is difficult to look at another person and not feel superior or more powerful in some way. It also seems like you are doing mental violence to that person, and it scares me to think that if I had real godly power how tolerant I would be of another. I could easily see how such power could rush into my ahead and I would smite the person with thunder and lightening if they upset me.I wonder if this is a natural outcome of asserting that one is god, producing the dichotomy of superior lord and his inferior subjects.

I think other people subconsciously sense my arrogance and it almost seems like we are in psychological combat. I will experience more challenging encounters that put my “I am god” attitude to the test. Some horrible things may happen. I may get a cold, flu or fever. Somebody might say something horrible to me. I may get people acting cold towards me. Above all, when in this mode, I find it hard to relate to others. It’s almost as if I have phased out of human existence, and I am in an another dimension. At the same time this superior energy it produces in me, makes me magnetic to many people, such as in dating, the energy is seen as sexy and attractive. In business and work it is seen as powerful and commanding. I naturally assume more of a leadership role. I carry weight.

“I am witness/soul/observer” attitude: This an attitude of humility, for instead of seeing myself as the lord of creation, I see myself as a soul participating in creation, observing and witnessing its dance, in its innumerable manifestations. In this mode, I do not look down on my fellow humans, but rather I bare myself to them, look on them as equals and express myself spontaneously and honestly to them. It also engenders an attitude of surrender to the divine, not actually identifying with it, but rather flowing with the divine, seeing as one as part and parcel with it. The energy this produces is angelic and innocent, I become more emphaic and receptive to the feelings of others and feel compassion and love. In terms of physiology, rather than holding my spine straight and erect and looking directly outwards, I notice I simply let go, adopting a rather vulnerable body posture and my eyes look slightly downcast, but gentle gaze. The mental attitude is one of contentment, of inner freedom.

The reactions I get from others when I am in this humble mode are very interesting. I am perceived as lesser threatening, innocent, angelic, cute, loving, endearing and interesting. People are a lot more receptive to me and what I have to say, even if it contradicts their own beliefs. I make a lot more friends and people easily confide in me, and elevate me to almost a saintly, dignified person(What a contradiction I am lol)

At the same time, when I am in this energy I almost feel like I have allowed myself to fall out of the rat race, giving others the opportunity to dominate if they want to. In conversations, in this mode I become more the listener, but in groups it gives other the opportunity to dominate the conversations, and he who shouts the loudest commands all the attention. In dating, this humble attitude put me in the ‘friends zone’ I am seen more of the good friend women can confide in. Saintliness and angelic is not really sexy lol Rather than assuming the leadership role, I assume the facilitator role. In fact the humble attitude is almost like social resignation, hence why you become non threatening. Perhaps there is some truth to what Patanjali says, that by practicing non-violence everybody becomes our friends, even animals.

So as you can see both attitudes have their pros and cons. In fact it mirrors my struggle between the philosophies of Vedanta(I am god) and Samkhya-Yoga(I am soul) having love for both. However, it has becoming confusing living my life with both philosophies, and vacillating between humility and arrogance. I go through phases of arrogance, then humility, then back to arrogance. I now think I need to adopt one to bring consistency in my life. So which works better, humility or arrogance?

ONLY at the time of meditation, or to be better, in meditation ?

Aham Brahmasmi.

[QUOTE=Surya Deva;76805][B]Humility vs Arrogance: Which works better?[/B][/QUOTE]

The arrogant are usually ignorant of the ego so I forgive and avoid them; the humble are usually masters of the ego so I?m skeptical of their motives.

Now you have experienced with your mind and both are modification of mind. Try to not use your mind at all and by choosing which is better dont choose any. Dont feel superior nor inferior. If you can help someone that deserve it do it. Now you probably knows what is right and wrong. Your philosophy have now served its purpose what if you try to walk the path alone without modification of mind now?

What’s “right or wrong”, “superior or inferior”, “good or bad” “known or unknown”? They’re judgments of the mind; many lakes reflect the moon but the agitated ones distort the source and the still ones seem to reflect the truth of the source.

Dharma is right and does not need judgement by mind. Anyone will sooner or later discover this them self without judgement.

I prefer humility. No one is perfect.

To prefer humility or arrogance is the same as thinking there is a right or wrong…simply a like or dislike of the human mind, everyone is perfect; nothing is happening that should not be happening except the delusional thoughts in your mind, think about it! Please.

[QUOTE=fakeyogis;76832]Dharma is right and does not need judgement by mind. Anyone will sooner or later discover this them self without judgement.[/QUOTE]

Yes I agree when one brings themselves to a closer understanding of their true inner nature judgment dissipates, truth remains, empty your cup of all maya and the only thing left is Truth.

I don’t know but both should be spontaneous to be real arrogance or humility.

[QUOTE=panoramix;76889]I don’t know but both should be spontaneous to be real arrogance or humility.[/QUOTE]

but it appears you do know

Well, either I pretend to be arrogant or humble, it’s kind of faking… isn’t it?

Okay I am going into arrogant mode for this post :wink: There seems to be a lot of responses saying “Don’t use your mind” “Don’t judge right or wrong” I honestly wonder how these people go about their daily life without using their minds and making judgement :wink:

Come on, I want practical suggestions, not nonsense! If you were not using your mind you would be a vegetable. If you were not making judgements, you would be constantly making mistakes in life, falling in with the wrong crowd, doing the wrong thing and you would never be able to cross a road for starters.

We have to make decisions in our life, and decisions require a faculty of judgement and discrimination. Many of our decisions are made unconsciously for us, such as judging and coordinating motor activity, but we also have to make many conscious decisions day to day life. Should I eat this or not? Should I talk to him/her or not? Should I go left or right? Should I cancel that appointment or not? Should I stay in or not? In Yoga this aspect of the mind that deliberates is known as manas and the aspect of the mind that decides is known as buddhi

Jnana solves most of these conundrums. The acquistion of which might be a carrot for you to begin that which you’ve been putting off.

Don’t worry. You aren’t the first to say “God is not.” And it will be perhaps comical when you realize “they are” because I wonder . . . can the ego take it? Surely. It’s been done before.

Another good post btw.

Of course we need to use our mind to eat to walk to talk.

But the message is not to avoid your mind in your daily activities i dont think anyone meant so. Just dont use it to judge people only your “ego” judge others and feel superior to others and you dont need ego. No one meant you should completely stop using your mind that you have misunderstood Maybe it would have been better if we said dont use your ego at all (judgement of the mind) Understand that judging others or playing roles belongs to the ego.

Also if you meet someone that is not good you will get a hunch that something is not right about that person and you might be cautious, AND THIS HUNCH does not belong to your mind . Your hunch will tell you maybe the subconcssious that tells you, but this is not in your power , your mind which you are in power of will then analyze the situation and the more open you are the faster the answer comes to you.

Maybe you analyze someone you meet and then come to a conclusion but this does not have to be truth There are factors you weigh in and then come to a conclusion.

I think that many times you had a preconceived idea about something and then find out later you were wrong.

Dont let your ego use your mind.

But the message is not to avoid your mind in your daily activities i dont think anyone meant so. Just dont use it to judge people only your “ego” judge others and feel superior to others and you dont need ego. No one meant you should completely stop using your mind that you have misunderstood Maybe it would have been better if we said dont use your ego at all (judgement of the mind) Understand that judging others or playing roles belongs to the ego.

It depends what you mean by judging. I have to judge people all the time: Are they intelligent or dumb? Are they spiritual or non spiritual? Are they interesting or not interesting? Are they worth talking to or not talking to?

In any case not entirely sure what this has to do with the topic thread on being humble vs being arrogant. Though sounds like you favour being humble.

Humility vs Arrogance.

Me, arrogant.

But,

hidden behind me (us) is emptiness, nothingness, what he (Buddha) has called

SUNYATA, hope you catch the empty space ?

[QUOTE=Surya Deva;76966]It depends what you mean by judging. I have to judge people all the time: Are they intelligent or dumb? Are they spiritual or non spiritual? Are they interesting or not interesting? Are they worth talking to or not talking to?

In any case not entirely sure what this has to do with the topic thread on being humble vs being arrogant. Though sounds like you favour being humble.[/QUOTE]

Point taken and accepted.

If its necessary i point out the flaw of others. But if i can avoid it i just let them do what ever foolish things they do. Its no need of getting exited in your own mind because others are foolish, it will only drain your energy. Preserve your energy for your self instead. When you get angry for something its your ego mind that is getting upset the mind is impermanent what you get angry for today might change and tomorrow you are not angry for the same thing or other way around.
So what our ego thinks has no real value.

Why do you need to know if someone is spiritual or not? How is that going to help you on your own journey? Unless there is some teacher that you need evaluate.

What if someone is intelligent or not? Why do you need to even care, treat others in the same way you would like to be treated.

When you say you need to know if they are worth to talk to or not you are not being unconditional you want something in return, thats why you need to know if you should talk to them or not. Stop it-its not good for your spirituality.

Being humble or not or arrogant or not should not be in your concern at all you should just be. Dont let your mind overpower you. If you dont know how to be dont worry listen to your heart, no one are successful to start with it takes time for spiritual transformation but eventually it will happen.

Be aware and you will start to take control . Dont let your ego control you. And if it does and you are aware of what happened good that means next time you are surely more prepared when it happens.

Being humble or arrogant and decide how to behave is a play of the ego. You should not make up your mind how to be, you should just be.

Maybe this sound stupid in your ears today but there is a day tomorrow and the day after that too.

But if he ego must choose, arrogance would not be a good choice as it has no place in spirituality. As pride is one of the hinders towards self realization.

In Hindu theology, Arishadvarga are the six passions [1] of mind or desire: kama (lust), krodha (anger), lobh (greed), moha (attachment), mada or ahankar (pride) and matsarya (jealousy); the negative characteristics of which prevent man from attaining moksha or salvation.

So make your choices with your free will. But if we make wrong choice we will suffer and bear pain.

Before your meditation you should pray that all creatures in all spheres has the right to be happy. Everyone strives for this happiness but we dont know how to get it so we make wrong choices that gives us impermanent happiness.