I am more actively pursuing Buddhism now

I’m basically a theist, not really any religion, but believe in God, but lately I feel as though Meditation and Buddhist Philosophies are what keep me going.

I have been practicing detachment and have some questions

So basically i am to just follow the middle path, live life modestly according to my needs rather than my desires, So i shall wear simple clothes, be humble, thankful, and peaceful

But what is it that gives me my drive for life? what is it that gives me happiness, and Joy and a reason to wake up in the morning?

Before it was hanging out with friends, trying to get a girlfriend, video games, etc.

I am in college, so now it seems the only thing i do is study, and when i get bored i play my video game which i think can be spiritually damaging as it has lots of goal oriented reward driven game play, not to mention it is stressful and mentally exhausting.

So for those of you who follow detachment, weather its Buddhism or whatever, what do you do to find joy?

or is wanting joy a desire and should be stopped.

in that case should i just go through life as a emotionless zombie? i dont want to do that

also, is wanting to be detached an attachment? if so, how is it possible?!

Joy arises spontaneously out of nothing and therefore can not be found.

in other words, the searching for joy in things takes you farther from joy. thus the paradox: how can you find nothing without searching? then how can you have joy without wanting it?

it is a pickle.

-dale

[QUOTE=FutureHumanDestiny;71161]Joy arises spontaneously out of nothing and therefore can not be found.

in other words, the searching for joy in things takes you farther from joy. thus the paradox: how can you find nothing without searching? then how can you have joy without wanting it?

it is a pickle.

-dale[/QUOTE]

Beautiful.

Another question I have, They say “live in the moment”, but what if the moment is something traumatic, like say if a woman was getting raped, or if a guy was in an accident and broke his leg and is waiting for to be taken to the hospital in excruciating pain. should they focus on something else? meditate and think of nothing? or what?

[QUOTE=bolno;71166]Beautiful.

Another question I have, They say “live in the moment”, but what if the moment is something traumatic, like say if a woman was getting raped, or if a guy was in an accident and broke his leg and is waiting for to be taken to the hospital in excruciating pain. should they focus on something else? meditate and think of nothing? or what?[/QUOTE]

those are challenging and intricate questions. they delve into the nature of suffering and it’s difference from pain; karma and humanities personal debacles; personal responsibility and zen.

i want to help you find and be zen. then you will know most of the answers to these questions in intricate detail, because you will mostly embody them.

are you interested in finding zen?

-dale

[QUOTE=bolno;71159]I’m basically a theist, not really any religion, but believe in God, but lately I feel as though Meditation and Buddhist Philosophies are what keep me going.

I have been practicing detachment and have some questions

So basically i am to just follow the middle path, live life modestly according to my needs rather than my desires, So i shall wear simple clothes, be humble, thankful, and peaceful

But what is it that gives me my drive for life? what is it that gives me happiness, and Joy and a reason to wake up in the morning?

Before it was hanging out with friends, trying to get a girlfriend, video games, etc.

I am in college, so now it seems the only thing i do is study, and when i get bored i play my video game which i think can be spiritually damaging as it has lots of goal oriented reward driven game play, not to mention it is stressful and mentally exhausting.

So for those of you who follow detachment, weather its Buddhism or whatever, what do you do to find joy?

or is wanting joy a desire and should be stopped.

in that case should i just go through life as a emotionless zombie? i dont want to do that

also, is wanting to be detached an attachment? if so, how is it possible?![/QUOTE]

My understanding is that you find the REAL joy only in God, through meditation. Once you find that joy, no passing pleasures will appeal to you anymore.

More practically: deepening your meditation you feel more and more joy. That
is the answer of God to your efforts to find him.

Back to theory. We have been created by God to find him again, in spite of
the delusions given to us by our senses. Any attachment to the objects of the senses -i. e. to this physical world- is a hurdle in your way to God.

[QUOTE=FutureHumanDestiny;71161]Joy arises spontaneously out of nothing and therefore can not be found.

in other words, the searching for joy in things takes you farther from joy. thus the paradox: how can you find nothing without searching? then how can you have joy without wanting it?

it is a pickle.

-dale[/QUOTE]

Operate spontaneously.

You seem to have confused non-attachment with detachment.

It’s OK to hang out with your friends and play video games and do all the things you did before but they cannot make you happy in themselves. They will give you periods of pleasure but not deep,abiding joy. Only your continued practise can do that.

And it’s not a race. You don’t have to do everything at once. You may find that as your practise deepens that you want to give up certain activities. But don’t do it because you think you should, do it because you really want to.

[QUOTE=FutureHumanDestiny;71169]those are challenging and intricate questions. they delve into the nature of suffering and it’s difference from pain; karma and humanities personal debacles; personal responsibility and zen.

i want to help you find and be zen. then you will know most of the answers to these questions in intricate detail, because you will mostly embody them.

are you interested in finding zen?

-dale[/QUOTE]

The spiritual carrot has been dangled; there?s nothing wrong with listening to others as long as one is mindfully wary of personal gain others may be exploiting. I know nothing other than this post of FutureHumanDestiny/dale; therefore I?m implying absolutely nothing.

[QUOTE=ray_killeen;71203]The spiritual carrot has been dangled; there?s nothing wrong with listening to others as long as one is mindfully wary of personal gain others may be exploiting. I know nothing other than this post of FutureHumanDestiny/dale; therefore I?m implying absolutely nothing.[/QUOTE]

i don’t make money teaching others, if that’s what you’re not implying.

futhermore, i don’t deceive or tempt anyone. the spiritual carrot, as you deem it, is the opportunity we all have as part of our personal birthright to attain buddhahood through self-mastery and self-practice. so i can ‘dangle’ nothing; i only point out what is already there.

finally, i only work with/help people that are self-starters, motivated and aware of their potential/goals. that is why i allude to the possibilities; to allow the slackers to wander off, the future buddhas to strive along that path and for the ego driven people to stir up trouble where there was none.

not that i’m implying anything.

just sayin’

-dale

[QUOTE=FutureHumanDestiny;71204]i don’t make money teaching others, if that’s what you’re not implying.

futhermore, i don’t deceive or tempt anyone. the spiritual carrot, as you deem it, is the opportunity we all have as part of our personal birthright to attain buddhahood through self-mastery and self-practice. so i can ‘dangle’ nothing; i only point out what is already there.

finally, i only work with/help people that are self-starters, motivated and aware of their potential/goals. that is why i allude to the possibilities; to allow the slackers to wander off, the future buddhas to strive along that path and for the ego driven people to stir up trouble where there was none.

not that i’m implying anything.

just sayin’

-dale[/QUOTE]

Dale, the attempt was to stir awareness not trouble; btw, do you believe there is a means to make the spontaneous happen? Simply practicing Jnana yoga here, welcoming any interaction. ~ray

[QUOTE=ray_killeen;71205]Dale, the attempt was to stir awareness not trouble; btw, do you believe there is a means to make the spontaneous happen? Simply practicing Jnana yoga here, welcoming any interaction. ~ray[/QUOTE]

i draw a distinction between zen and enlightenment, as detailed on my youtube videos. zen is the famous no-mind state or state of pure conscious awareness and is hallmarked by certain qualities, namely equanimity, peace of mind, serenity, grace and ease of movement and spontaneous pranayama leading to kundalini, samadhi, bliss and ectasy. in other words, what arises spontaneously is a milestone on the thousand mile journey to enlightenment.

there are means to make energy rise, to accelerate spiritual development and to deal with past trauma and/or other obstacles to enlightenment; however, i think the question arising between us is this:

is ‘residing’ in pure conscious awareness the same as enlightenment? i think not.

-dale

[QUOTE=FutureHumanDestiny;71207]i draw a distinction between zen and enlightenment, as detailed on my youtube videos. zen is the famous no-mind state or state of pure conscious awareness and is hallmarked by certain qualities, namely equanimity, peace of mind, serenity, grace and ease of movement and spontaneous pranayama leading to kundalini, samadhi, bliss and ectasy. in other words, what arises spontaneously is a milestone on the thousand mile journey to enlightenment.

there are means to make energy rise, to accelerate spiritual development and to deal with past trauma and/or other obstacles to enlightenment; however, i think the question arising between us is this:

is ‘residing’ in pure conscious awareness the same as enlightenment? i think not.

-dale[/QUOTE]

I?ll plan on watching your videos but the next obvious question would be how?s it all working out for you thus far, also any thoughts on the philosophy of the Advaita Vedanta and application?

The question arising in my mind was; even the desire towards expansion of spiritual consciousness seems to be a spontaneous one i.e. the karmic action came from a desire that came from a thought that arose spontaneously from beyond the mind, but yes some become stuck, addicted to trances, with their consciousness in abeyance and yet without full consciousness what progress can there be?

[QUOTE=ray_killeen;71209]I?ll plan on watching your videos but the next obvious question would be how?s it all working out for you thus far[/QUOTE]

great; i’ve attracted some great people to my channel and it’s less than 3 months old. personally, i only teach to my level of attainment/ability and based on my personal experiences
failing at meditation
studying popular books
studying occultic books
failing
…then…
finding a new way
unloading all of my past emotional pain and burdens
developing a coherent worldview
establishing a legitimate ethical foundation
…etc.
finding and being zen.
discovering the super-lucid state, the hallmark of finding zen
purifying my energy body, summoning and raising the coiled kundalini, entering samadhi
discovering the secrets of energy work and trance
…and more, all of the way up to and through my personal stargate into the cosmic realm of enlightenment.

etcetera.

[QUOTE=ray_killeen;71209]also any thoughts on the philosophy of the Advaita Vedanta and application?[/QUOTE]

yes don’t make lists, don’t brainstorm, just observe. white people tend to make lists and brainstorm new ideas; when in meditation we’re required to be mentally silent and peaceful.

[QUOTE=ray_killeen;71209]The question arising in my mind was; even the desire towards expansion of spiritual consciousness seems to be a spontaneous one i.e. the karmic action came from a desire that came from a thought that arose spontaneously from beyond the mind, but yes some become stuck, addicted to trances, with their consciousness in abeyance and yet without full consciousness what progress can there be?[/QUOTE]

this conflict arises out of a popular misconception about the no-mind state; based on ignorance of the states of being that follow. in order to trance, either tremendous effort must be made OR you must sit in zazen for months or years, in the desert wilderness.

in order to arrive at the highest samadhi, known only as purusha khyata samadhi, you must make a tremendous effort.

in order to transcend purusha khyati samadhi, you must be nascent, childlike, effortless, there and then only can you release your mind’s and heart’s grip on your karma, your ego, your desire, your clinging.

this is a subtle state and very little is written or known about it. it’s study consumes most of my waking effort and time.

-dale

What one seeks is so near there can be no room for any Sadhana/Abhyasa, an uncomforting rude awakening if one has applied tremendous effort, realizing the desire for truth must dissolve for the uninvited and unexpected to arise, 7 billion human beings with no common way to recognize what has never been separate. ?I AM?.

[QUOTE=ray_killeen;71222]What one seeks is so near there can be no room for any Sadhana/Abhyasa, an uncomforting rude awakening if one has applied tremendous effort, realizing the desire for truth must dissolve for the uninvited and unexpected to arise, 7 billion human beings with no common way to recognize what has never been separate. ?I AM?.[/QUOTE]

rather than a philosophy, a metaphor, a syllogism, a parable, a simile, a paradigm or any other system of study, i refer to the application of spiritual knowledge only. if it has no application, it has no value to spiritual aspirants, only to scholars.

-dale

I tried hard not to be critical of what Futurehumandesiny is saying in his posts here and in his video’s on his channel; I tried to see the truth in what he is saying, to overlook any of the points that made me cringe as just my ego/left brain making judgement, but I realized I simply cannot do it: I think a lot of what futurehumandestiny is saying is garbage. It does not at all address the very pertinent and good questions the OP asks(honestly, I could not have asked these same questions as clearly myself) Instead, futurehuman destiny hijacks this thread to advertise his new youtube channel and talk of his own spiritual attainments and enlightenment, like Amir’ Yet like Amir, whatever he says is unpractical garbage and an exercise in self-promotion.

Sorry, I just had to say this. I know I could have addressed the OP’s questions without shooting down Futurehumandestiny, but these are my honest thoughts I had when reading his posts, so I am sharing them too.

Now to address the OP’s questions:

But what is it that gives me my drive for life? what is it that gives me happiness, and Joy and a reason to wake up in the morning?

Before it was hanging out with friends, trying to get a girlfriend, video games, etc.

This one is a difficult one, and many monks also ask themselves this question. When you internalize an ascetic philosophy like Buddhism which values needs over wants, humility, simplicity, silence, celibacy, introversion you can lead a very boring life. This is one of the most immediate challenge aspiring monks face, and many simply cannot hack it. It makes life very very dry! This is why you see a lot of hypocrisy among monks, not actually practicing what they preach. You will see some of the worst sexual perversion among monks, because they have suppressed their desires so much, they end up expressing themselves in very distorted ways.

Life obviously becomes a lot more interesting when you add stuff like friends, sex, video games, movies,. tasty food, music, alcohol and drugs, thrills etc to your life. We all try to design a fun and interesting life, by doing as many varied things and activities we can do. We know that whatever we do, if we do it too much, it will become boring, so we try to do different things: say bars and pubs on Friday, theater or cinema on Saturday, home dinner and night in with DVD’s or television on Sunday, and various sports, hobbies and other recreations during the week. The more varied ones life, the more interesting and fun we see them to be.
Unfortunately, after a while, no matter how many variations we make, it all becomes rather monotonous, simply new permutations of the same basic emotions. So we start crave even more heightened emotional states, and hence why so many people take recourse to drugs.

The wise start to realize that nothing that we do can actually bring any lasting happiness. In fact whatever we do, ultimately brings us only discontent and entangles us. The basic pleasure of even indulging in chocolate has the power to drag us even further into the sensory world. When we are entangled in it, it is very difficult to get out of it. We become slaves to our senses.

What is the solution? The solution is simple and despicable to us. We need to renounce the sensory world. We need to learn to love just being with ourselves. We need to let emptiness become our constant fountain of joy. We must embrace loneliness, simplicity, humility. This act of renunciation is only for the very spiritually brave seekers. Very few are capable of doing it, because it means subjecting yourself to boredom! Watching your friends go and out and party hard and have a brilliant time, while you stay at home and do the household chores; seeing and smelling the great culinary people gorge on at dinner, while you eat only bread and soup; watching beautiful, well-groomed, toned people walk about, while you wear nothing but a robe and a shaved head; seeing boyfriends/girlfriends having great intimate times together, while you observe celibacy.

How many can truly do this? Not many at all. Even the vast majority of those who are observing formal monastic lives cannot do it. Therefore, do not try to lie to yourself. If you cannot do it, then simply say, “I can’t do it” Like I have. Stop pretending to be spiritual, when you are in exactly the same boat as everyone else. Instead, work on your desires/wants. Admit you have them, and work directly with them. You must be able to realize that you need to let go eventually of every desire and also realize why(because they are impermanent, because they produce suffering) Only then will you be able to walk the spiritual path, definitely not before then.

What the f*ck is a stargate?

enlightenment, zen and honesty have everything to do with the op and the original post.

furthermore, just because something i say isn’t 2 clicks away on google does not mean that it’s not true.

finally, you’ve never criticized or addressed anything i’ve said other than to admit you’ve never heard of it and that you can’t make sense of it. you’re rampaging because you can’t figure me out or pin me down. it will never happen and you will wish you’d tried harder to understand sooner because in the future there will be many more enlightened people saying the same strange things as i say because they are speaking from experience, not speculation, and you will have the burden of the memory of all you’ve said here.

-dale

The amusing thing about our time(the age of ignorance, kali) is how our world is full of deluded people, especially on the internet. Practically everybody fancies themselves as a model, a pop star, a movie star, a comedian, a genius, a scholar, or guru(cough Amir, Futurehumandestiny cough). Is it not ironic that in a single sample of people you will have more than 50% claiming they have an IQ of 130+, claiming they are hot/fit/good looking, claiming to be star singers. When the truth is only the top 1% of the population truly have these qualities. Likewise, we have so many people claiming to be spiritual, when in fact only top 1% of spiritual people are genuinely spiritual.

The truth is very few of us are genuinely spiritual people, and we should not pretend otherwise.

surya this thread isn’t about you.

if you have a bone to pick with me, or my youtube channel, or my worldview, do it somewhere else. another thread maybe. or troll my channel. or Pm.

i share only because i want to make useful information available for legit spiritual aspirants. period.

it’s up to bolno to do what’s right for bolno.