I'm an ethical Christian

[QUOTE=thomas;49817]What you need to convince them of is that Jesus Christ is not their Lord and Savior. That is why they are Christians.[/QUOTE]

That won’t be very hard to do considering that most of the people from the said groups that I know are “liberal” about Christianity. They don’t take its tenants seriously and could care less about what others practice. They, of course, have Christianized and Westernized biases but they are willing to learn and adapt rather than blindly cling to antiquated ideals.

[QUOTE=Nietzsche;49819]That won’t be very hard to do considering that most of the people from the said groups that I know are “liberal” about Christianity. They don’t take its tenants seriously and could care less about what others practice. They, of course, have Christianized and Westernized biases but they are willing to learn and adapt rather than blindly cling to antiquated ideals.[/QUOTE]

What you are saying here is very insulting to Christians. Though there are unfortunately many Christian denominations, the vast majority of those who belong to them believe that Jesus was born of a virgin, performed miracles, was crucified, died, and then by his own power rose again. They believe that Jesus is Savior and God.

This belief is held by Christians of all colors, and no color is exclusively Christian and Christianity is inclusive of all colors.

[QUOTE=thomas;49822]What you are saying here is very insulting to Christians. Though there are unfortunately many Christian denominations, the vast majority of those who belong to them believe that Jesus was born of a virgin, performed miracles, was crucified, died, and then by his own power rose again. They believe that Jesus is Savior and God.

This belief is held by Christians of all colors, and no color is exclusively Christian and Christianity is inclusive of all colors.[/QUOTE]

I was saying that most of the Christians [B]I know[/B] are like that. And I was joking about the “convincing part.” They don’t take that belief seriously in the first place.

[QUOTE=Nietzsche;49818]You are like most on the forum in that you can never hope to understand the oppression we go through. You are like most on the forum in that you always accuse us of spreading intolerance and violence and hatred because you do not understand what we, as Hindus, have go through on a daily basis. .[/QUOTE]

Please state where I accused you. In fact, post it. You will not find it, because I never said it or implied it.

[QUOTE=Nietzsche;49818]
Of course they don’t want to deal with it. Remember that quote from MLK I keep quoting? .[/QUOTE]

I remembered your quote.

[QUOTE=Nietzsche;49818]
I group them together because all Westerners are indeed bound by the fabric of Christianized and Westernized biases. When was the last time I heard a Westerner I thought was intelligent say something like “blacks are stupid” or “you worship mutant gods?” (he was a Christian). Oh yeah, not even a day ago. You won’t understand this since you are a Westerner. Even I, when I was a “tolerate all religions” do-gooder, used to have these biases. .[/QUOTE]

First of all I can relate. I was not raised Brethern rather shocker Mormon.
Mormons are considered by most Christians as the following :
polygamist, non Christian, heaten, cultish… the list goes on.

But if you say so! I will not presume that I know anything of YOUR SUFFERING.
So, let me tell you what I (and many others) do understand.
That half the world’s population lives on less than a dollar a day. That Christianty at its [B]worst[/B], places women and children at the bottom of the rung socially, economically and politically. That men use religion to place women in roles that are deameaning and discriminatory. That in Africa, most girls from poor families can’t attend school after they reach puberty due to not having access to proper contraceptives (to avoid becoming pregnant if raped) and are not educated about the dangers of STD’s due to the incorrect stigmas placed on protections such as female condoms by Islamic fundalmentalist. That in South America married women send their young children to beg on the streets to earn enough money to feed them since they are not given options or the education to make choices about the sizes of their families and therfore live in poverty with no hope of escape. That in India you are persecuted by faiths that claim to share many of the same ideals that I do. (By the way I don’t support either, in good faith or finanically, missionary efforts. Most Brethern don’t. We find the practice rude and disrespectful to impose our beliefs on others since for many generations the same was done to us by other Christian denominations.)

I know half of the world hates us and that most Americans/Westerners are biased against anything that is different.

Well did I miss anything?:???:

My heart weeps for you and half the world. I consider myself blessed to live in a place where I know my children will not have to experience the horrors that much of the world sees. That does not mean that I have blinders on either. We know (many Americans and westerners and even most ) that we must make radically different choices than many of our fellow citizens around us. We [B]do[/B] try our best to set the example of how to have respect for others views and ideas. You undermind our efforts when you lump us together by stating that all Westerners are the same and that we could never understand because we are not Hindu/Indian.
You give them justification for their rationals and biases because they see your generalized assumptions and statements as an affirmation of their rationals and biases.

Rather than get angry, educate us on the inhuman things that occur. Post the links. Show the pictures. Report the injustice. Give physical examples of things that Western media and academa gets wrong and don’t just state it as fact. Show us the evidence and as much of it as you can get. Remember the world is large, and if you want attention it is better for the evidence to speak for its self rather than resort to an angry statement.
We practice that the whole of humanity is a community. Whether they are Hindu, Buddist, Muslim, Christian, Athest and so on…
That everyone “should be judged on the content of their character and not on the color of their skin” (gender, relgious views, nationality, disabilities)

Good luck on your endevor. I have a yoga mat that is calling my name and some frustrations to think about.
Nameste

My heart weeps for you and half the world.

Don’t weep too much for the kid. His family is loaded.

Weep for this poor white old man instead…

[QUOTE=thomas;49831]Don’t weep too much for the kid. His family is loaded.

Weep for this poor white old man instead…[/QUOTE]

You? :razz:
Hey I’m poor too!! (putting Hubby through college kills the budget) I should weep for me.:wink:

Then we should both hit Nietzsche up for a handout.

But hey, after all that talk about downtrodden women…how come your husband is going to college and you’re working? :stuck_out_tongue:

Before we got married I was closer to completing my degree So he worked while I finished. Now I am working so he can finish his. We have very young kids so it was not economical for both of us to attend college at the same time.

[QUOTE=TeeA;49830]Please state where I accused you. In fact, post it. You will not find it, because I never said it or implied it.

I remembered your quote.

First of all I can relate. I was not raised Brethern rather shocker Mormon.
Mormons are considered by most Christians as the following :
polygamist, non Christian, heaten, cultish… the list goes on.

But if you say so! I will not presume that I know anything of YOUR SUFFERING.
So, let me tell you what I (and many others) do understand.
That half the world’s population lives on less than a dollar a day. That Christianty at its [B]worst[/B], places women and children at the bottom of the rung socially, economically and politically. That men use religion to place women in roles that are deameaning and discriminatory. That in Africa, most girls from poor families can’t attend school after they reach puberty due to not having access to proper contraceptives (to avoid becoming pregnant if raped) and are not educated about the dangers of STD’s due to the incorrect stigmas placed on protections such as female condoms by Islamic fundalmentalist. That in South America married women send their young children to beg on the streets to earn enough money to feed them since they are not given options or the education to make choices about the sizes of their families and therfore live in poverty with no hope of escape. That in India you are persecuted by faiths that claim to share many of the same ideals that I do. (By the way I don’t support either, in good faith or finanically, missionary efforts. Most Brethern don’t. We find the practice rude and disrespectful to impose our beliefs on others since for many generations the same was done to us by other Christian denominations.)

I know half of the world hates us and that most Americans/Westerners are biased against anything that is different.

Well did I miss anything?:???:

My heart weeps for you and half the world. I consider myself blessed to live in a place where I know my children will not have to experience the horrors that much of the world sees. That does not mean that I have blinders on either. We know (many Americans and westerners and even most ) that we must make radically different choices than many of our fellow citizens around us. We [B]do[/B] try our best to set the example of how to have respect for others views and ideas. You undermind our efforts when you lump us together by stating that all Westerners are the same and that we could never understand because we are not Hindu/Indian.
You give them justification for their rationals and biases because they see your generalized assumptions and statements as an affirmation of their rationals and biases.

Rather than get angry, educate us on the inhuman things that occur. Post the links. Show the pictures. Report the injustice. Give physical examples of things that Western media and academa gets wrong and don’t just state it as fact. Show us the evidence and as much of it as you can get. Remember the world is large, and if you want attention it is better for the evidence to speak for its self rather than resort to an angry statement.
We practice that the whole of humanity is a community. Whether they are Hindu, Buddist, Muslim, Christian, Athest and so on…
That everyone “should be judged on the content of their character and not on the color of their skin” (gender, relgious views, nationality, disabilities)

Good luck on your endevor. I have a yoga mat that is calling my name and some frustrations to think about.
Nameste[/QUOTE]

Agreed.

[QUOTE=thomas;49831]Don’t weep too much for the kid. His family is loaded.

Weep for this poor white old man instead…[/QUOTE]

In India? Yes. Here? We’re middle class. My father has 5 degrees and yet he chose to be a businessman (in a area that is dying if I might add) when he could have been anything from an engineer to a software programmer…

[QUOTE=thomas;49833]Then we should both hit Nietzsche up for a handout.

But hey, after all that talk about downtrodden women…how come your husband is going to college and you’re working? :p[/QUOTE]

I can pay you…in rupees. Then again, the currency exchange rate is 1/46 so that won’t do you much good.

[QUOTE=Nietzsche;49895]In India? Yes. Here? We’re middle class. My father has 5 degrees and yet he chose to be a businessman (in a area that is dying if I might add) when he could have been anything from an engineer to a software programmer…[/QUOTE]

There is nothing wrong with being a businessman. Professions like engineering and programming are great, but to be a businessman requires a high degree of talent, courage, and creativity. And he can draw from his knowledge in those other fields and apply it to his business dealings. He is doing something bigger and better than being an engineer or programmer.

[QUOTE=thomas;49923]There is nothing wrong with being a businessman. Professions like engineering and programming are great, but to be a businessman requires a high degree of talent, courage, and creativity. And he can draw from his knowledge in those other fields and apply it to his business dealings. He is doing something bigger and better than being an engineer or programmer.[/QUOTE]

Lol, as a scientist at heart, that post was very offensive to me. :D. Of course being an engineer or programmer is far greater than being a lowly businessman! Besides, engineers and programmers are the ones who always advance society. Businessman are as likely to ruin the economy as they are to benefit in salutary manner.

What of people like Bill Gates who have done both? Without his business skills, we wouldn’t all be benefiting by his computer and software knowledge and abilities.

Without the business people, we wouldn’t have the foundation to be engineers and scientists, unless we want to be engineers and scientists with sticks and stones.

[QUOTE=thomas;49942]What of people like Bill Gates who have done both? Without his business skills, we wouldn’t all be benefiting by his computer and software knowledge and abilities.

Without the business people, we wouldn’t have the foundation to be engineers and scientists, unless we want to be engineers and scientists with sticks and stones.[/QUOTE]

Actually, without his programming skills, there wouldn’t be a company with a horizontal monopoly on OSes, called “Microsoft,” in the first place. :smiley:

Besides, a business doesn’t give the engineer/programmer/scientist his ability. It gives him the means to use his skill into creating a service or innovation. It is what the capitalist society has reduced them to…people using their brains for the sake of money and not for the sake of science…

Billy, you are not an ethical Christian and the tiltle of the thread is …“I am an ethical Christian”…now unless you have become a Christian, you shouldn’t be in here…shooo yooooo…n…tut…

[QUOTE=kareng;49984]Billy, you are not an ethical Christian and the tiltle of the thread is …“I am an ethical Christian”…now unless you have become a Christian, you shouldn’t be in here…shooo yooooo…n…tut…[/QUOTE]

BUT! BUT BUT!!! BUTTT*!!!

Lauren, I have every right to be here since this the thread is meant to be a joke and, lets face it, everyone loves a good joke. No one likes it when you tell them that.

And my name is actually this.

[QUOTE=Nietzsche;49987]BUT! BUT BUT!!! BUTTT*!!!

Lauren, I have every right to be here since this the thread is meant to be a joke and, lets face it, everyone loves a good joke. No one likes it when you tell them that.

And my name is actually this.[/QUOTE]

lol…Billy

[QUOTE=kareng;49990]lol…Billy[/QUOTE]

Blauren schlauren clauren lauren…

[QUOTE=Nietzsche;50072]Blauren schlauren clauren lauren…[/QUOTE]

nope, it’s not rhyming Billy…kareng, ?