do understand your thinking. But in the end, what does it really prove? Perhaps that you were right? How does this move you closer to enlightenment? How can it because what you’ve done by staunchly arguing is watering the seeds of Karma. Just something to ponder.
How can you be wrong and move to enlightenment? If one side holds that hate is good and one side holds that love is good. Which of these sides is going to get closer to enlightenment?
But if you know hatred is not good, how is arguing with that person helping you reach enlightenment? There comes a point when argument is mute. And really SD, your above example is not a good one, because why would someone who thinks hatred is good be trying to reach enlightenment? I don’t think they would. I’m talking more about differing religious views. Goes to my new age thinking that there are many paths that lead to the same place. If you believe that Hinduism is the right way and say it really is, why couldn’t someone who is a good Christian (someone who is selfless, kind and compassionate) reach enlightenment?
So clearly then you agree that one cannot be full of hate and reach enlightenment. This means you will conflict with the views of somebody who believes one can be full of hate and reach enlightenment. Now, whoever is right out of you two, is the one who is [o]really[/i] going to reach enlightenment. Similarly, as Hinduism is the true and eternal religion, only one who practices and accepts the core tenets of Hinduism is going to reach enlightenment. Others who practice the core tenets and practices of other religions which are false are not.
A hindu is fortunate because they learn the actual true teachings of reality(dharma, karma and reincarnation, atman, brahman, samkhya) They have true methods of reaching enlightenment - yoga. The Christian and the Muslim are unfortunate because they learn false teachings(geocentricism and flat earth, judgement day, adam and eve, jealous god, original sin) and false methods(blind worship, ritual, superstition, confessions) So as a good human being I need to point out to those following these false religions that they are following a false religion.
Of course I agree. Why would someone who is full of hatred even think about enlightenment?
Let’s not put meaning into the word enlightenment for a minute. After all, we humans are the ones who put meanings to words. Anyway, each religion has their own idea of what happens when one physically dies or ends the cycle of rebirth. You have a Christian on one hand who has no hatred and has lived a selfless, compassionate life. They have lived a life without sin so to speak. On the other hand you have a Hindu who just as devoutly follows the tenets of their religion. If Hinduism is the true religion, why couldn’t the Christian reach the same end (unbeknownst to them) as the Hindu? If Hinduism is the universal and right religion, why would it exclude someone who is trying to accomplish the exact same thing? Telling someone they are wrong will not move you toward the end you seek. Like I said earlier, show by example. It’s like being a parent. The best way to teach your kids and have it stay with them is to be a good example. It is that ‘unspoken’ lesson they learn.
Yes, each religion has their own idea of what happens when one physically dies. Just as everybody has their own idea on everything else. Even in sciences there are dozens of theories on just one thing. Somebody is going to be right and somebody is going to be wrong. It is like rolling a dice inside a sealed and opaque box and guessing which side is showing on the top. Somebody says “1” another says “2” and another says “3” and so on, out of the 6 possible guesses somebody is going to be right. Similarly, the views on what happens after we physically die could be:
One of these is going to be right and all the others are going to be wrong. Now it so happens we have considerable amounts of scientific evidence showing that 5 is correct. This is the Hindu teaching.
Similaly, we find scientific everything for every other Hindu teaching as well. We find no scientific evidence for any Abrahamic teachings, in fact on the contrary science has disproven most of Abrahamic teachings wrong. This is why I am saying these are false religions and need to be rid of to make way for the true religion.
As long as people practice false religions they are going to be going in the opposite direction of enlightenment. If you accept false teachings and false methods there is no way you are going to get to enlightenment.
[QUOTE=TeeA;49690]I do not advocate that you take it lightly. Rather I advocate that there are better options than the ones that you are using. I am moved and joyous at the protest we see rocking the Arab world now. It is wonderful to see people who are fed up with their leaders and confident in their own persons to state so. As a Christian Brethren, peaceful demonstrations have always been a part of our denomination. We were tarred and feathered, tortured, and killed by the Catholics and Lutherans during the Reformation for our peaceful beliefs. (We also refused to follow the doctrine set forth by those denominations) During the Civil, War and WWI we were targets of government oppression due to our non violence(and anti war stances). Today, thanks to those who suffered before us we are legally protected under the law from being drafted in to active military service, and many of our other Anabaptist brethren are as well. Did we go to war over this? No! Did we engage in slamming the other side? No! Rather we used dialogue, peaceful protesting, and lived a life that reflected our peaceful views. (Leading by example is always the best)
Agreed, bearing abuse consistently does not solve the problem. But neither does complaining, flaming the opposition or pointing the finger. This is not mean I believe that the British are not responsible for many of the problems in India rather that at some point there needs to be action taken by the victims in question. It is the same as women. At what point do “I” as a women enable someone to “treat” me as a victim? It is when I blame my actions and responses on those who hurt me in the first place. If I actively work to refuse to let it bother me, then I am no longer a victim, because I no longer enable their opinions or actions to affect me or my life.
Good, but not at the expense of attacking the opposition. (whether physically or rhetorically) Both MLK and Gandhi spoke out against the injustices being caused to them, they did not point fingers and say “They are biased” or “Their religion is the biggest obstacle to progress in the world” It is better not to blame, but rather to rise above the pain and injustice caused to something much better. If all humans strived for this mark, the world would be a much better place to live.
You misinterpreted,. I did not say to wallow in suffering.
I feel discrimination takes place when the person in question is treated unfairly due to a basis of prejudice. So if a woman decides to wear a burqa so be it. But if she is required to as a way to undermine her personal freedoms, then no. That would be discrimination. To deny someone any freedom due to gender, race, age, disabilities, or nationality is absurd.
Most of the Christians I associate with would not consider your beliefs as paganism, polytheism or idolatry. In fact many of them would enjoy open, peaceful dialogue as a way to learn and love a large portion of mankind.
This I did not realize, but if that is the case then it is not the Christian Euro centrist that you should be upset with, but those that run the school systems. After all they are the ones who have the final say in curriculum and texts. As for the face of Western media, that is changing form even as we speak. No longer is the media run only by large companies that censor information before it hit’s the newsstands. We have blogs, twitter, and forums. And while it may be self gratifying in the short term to flame or discredit those of the western media/mind set; it only in the end makes people of a more sober mind want to ignore you. Rather it is better to point out when the facts are wrong, and not attack even when you are attacked yourself. By not responding, you add credibility to your argument and foolishness to theirs.
“Silence is one of the hardest arguments to refute.” Josh Billings
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Really? What better options are there than intellectually undermining the very religions that denigrate us on a daily basis and raising awareness of their evils and promoting a reform within those religions? Peaceful protest? That is precisely what Hindus did for over a millennia and look what happened. You see, peaceful protest and tolerance has been a hallmark of our brethren for thousands of years, a tradition that far predates your “religion” (which has caused so much harm and suffering in this world). India was consistently invaded by Muslims who did nothing but pillage Hindu temples, rape our women, slaughter Hindus, and covert Hindus to Islam. Did we go to war over this? No! Did we engage in slamming the other side? No! Not when we knew that our protesting would result in our wives getting raped and our tongues being cut off. Then the Christian British came in on their merry way, took advantage of our instability and turned what was one of the most prosperous nations in the world into one of the most poorest. Did we go to war over this? No! Did we engage in slamming the other side? No! Sure there was resistance but the vast majority of Indians did nothing and accepted this position. No real effort was made to protest their anti-Hindu propaganda, denigration of Hindu culture, their exploitation of our resources and wealth, and what not until Gandhi. And then peaceful protest resulted Pakistan taking our historic land and turning it into a Muslim nation, a nation that secretly sanctions the sending of terrorists off on their merry way to slaughter infidels, and endorses anti-Indian and rhetoric. Much of their population hates Hindus and Indians. The Hindus there are the lowest class and are consistently given the lowest jobs regardless of their societal or educational standing. Did they go to war over this? No! Did they engage in slamming the other side? All those Hindus want is a better life and what did they get in return? What about today? Christian missionaries have field days with converting Hindus and teaching them to hate India and Hinduism. Did we go to war over this? No! Did we engage in slamming the other side? No! Western media and academia denigrates Hinduism on a daily basis. Did we go to war over this? No! Did we engage in slamming the other side? No! Only a small minority of Hindus, Hindus like SD and I, know or care about this. Hindus peacefully protested the anti-Hindu material (which had things like, “next time you see a monkey, worship it because it might be Hanuman!”) in California history books and the anti-Hindu ex-untouchables and Western scholars prevented the most crucial changes from taking place. Did we go to war over this? No! Did we engage in slamming the other side? NO!
Of course you got rights and recognition. You are all whites and follow a form of Christianity. In a rapidly developing world with the whites clearly being the superior race, it would have made little sense for whites to oppress whites (especially in a nation with segregation and harsh treatment of minorities and blacks).
Now, I am not advocating the opposite of peaceful protest and resistance. I am advocating that something else, in addition to peaceful protest, be done. This is in the form of intellectual awareness of the subversion of our culture.
Once again, let us not forget the words of a fellow “fighter” for rights and the abolishment of the racial status quo. “[B]I guess I should have realized that few members of a race that has oppressed another race can understand or appreciate the deep groans and passionate yearnings of those that have been oppressed and still fewer have the vision to see that injustice must be rooted out by strong, persistent, and determined action[/B].” - Martin Luther King.
Oh really? If you don’t occasionally point the finger and complain, then how do you expect people to notice your suffering and oppression? At this point, you are no worse than the racist clergymen who accused Martin Luther King’s actions as being inconsiderate, extremist, and untimely. And what do you think SD and I, as victims, are doing by taking the initiative and speaking out against all this oppression? But you are against even this kind of protest, so I am seriously starting to consider whether you really are biased against Hinduism and Indians.
Besides, MLK and Gandhi DID point fingers and point out the fact that the opposition was biased. Have you not been reading the quotes? Have you ever read “Letter from Birmingham Jail?” Besides, your religion IS the biggest obstacle in the progress of the world, or at least the way your religion has been for 2 millennia and is today. You, and most people, are just too politically correct to see that.
You are correct, not when it violates her personal freedoms. Then again, most Muslim women take pride in wearing a burqa so I do not understand why the West and Westerners says “we are bringing women’s rights to the M.E” and “Muslim women are oppressed daily.”
“Most of the Christians [B]I associate with[/B]…” The goodie-goodie ones who don’t really follow Christianity but a mix of Jesus/God worship and secular humanistic ideals? Most Christians, unfortunately, DO consider our beliefs as such as most Westerners in general scorn Hinduism because of these beliefs.
Then again, I think we should be upset with those Christian Eurocentrists when they are the ones that are responsible for teaching and endorsing those histories in textbooks we use even TODAY. I think we should be when these Christian Eurocentrists are the ones that are running the education system in India. I think we should be when these histories have successfully divided India on a North-South basis. I think we should be when these histories have been used to undermine our culture, nation, and religion in general and make it seem the product of foreign (white) input. I think we should be when our countless peaceful protests and resistance (which many Indians do by the way) to such histories are deemed “Hindutva” by those Christian Eurocentrists (who still refuse to change their views and who influence much of the historian community around the world today). In fact, we have been peacefully protesting and resisting for 1 century!
“Better keep your mouth shut and appear stupid than to open it and remove all doubt.” (sarcasm) - Mark Twain
The Christian and the Muslim are unfortunate because they learn false teachings(geocentricism and flat earth, judgement day, adam and eve, jealous god, original sin) and false methods(blind worship, ritual, superstition, confessions) So as a good human being I need to point out to those following these false religions that they are following a false religion.
This statement is so ignorant that there is no Christian or Muslim who could take anything you say seriously, or could believe you are “good.”
Christianity and Islam are two very different religions.
In Christianity, there is no scientific teaching about the earth or the solar system. Besides, The purpose of Christianity is to lead someone to eternal life in Heaven and to avoid Hell. Knowing a truth about physics is not a prerequisite for Heaven, and believing an error about physics does not mean someone would go to Hell. Besides that, “flat” and “center” are very relative terms. From the perspecitive of a gravity bound person, the earth is flat. From the perspecitve of someone who could walk all the way around the earth, he would be walking in a straight line, but from the perspective of someone on the moon, he would be walking in a gigantic circle. And relatively speaking, any point in the universe could be the “center.”
There is no “blind worship” in Christianity, and no superstition.
And ridiculing doctrine doesn’t prove anything. It just makes you appear to be ignorant, arrogant, and not very classy.
Your understanding of Christianity is so ridiculously shallow, that your criticisms have zero impact.
Besides all this, if you truly wish to inform and better your fellow man, then understand that telling a person that his mother or children are ugly, no matter how true that might be, is not going to open the door of his heart and mind to anything else you say, and in fact he will keep those doors shut tight.
Get my drift? I doubt it.
[QUOTE=thomas;49778]This statement is so ignorant that there is no Christian or Muslim who could take anything you say seriously, or could believe you are “good.”
Christianity and Islam are two very different religions.
In Christianity, there is no scientific teaching about the earth or the solar system. Besides, The purpose of Christianity is to lead someone to eternal life in Heaven and to avoid Hell. Knowing a truth about physics is not a prerequisite for Heaven, and believing an error about physics does not mean someone would go to Hell. Besides that, “flat” and “center” are very relative terms. From the perspecitive of a gravity bound person, the earth is flat. From the perspecitve of someone who could walk all the way around the earth, he would be walking in a straight line, but from the perspective of someone on the moon, he would be walking in a gigantic circle. And relatively speaking, any point in the universe could be the “center.”
There is no “blind worship” in Christianity, and no superstition.
And ridiculing doctrine doesn’t prove anything. It just makes you appear to be ignorant, arrogant, and not very classy.
Your understanding of Christianity is so ridiculously shallow, that your criticisms have zero impact.
Besides all this, if you truly wish to inform and better your fellow man, then understand that telling a person that his mother or children are ugly, no matter how true that might be, is not going to open the door of his heart and mind to anything else you say, and in fact he will keep those doors shut tight.
Get my drift? I doubt it.[/QUOTE]
You are correct about the relative notions of the position and orbit of the Earth. However, such relativity doesn’t make the concept right, especially when people get burned at the stake for opposing it and especially when it is proven that we are at the Orion arm of the Milky Way galaxy, a galaxy which is only one of the galaxies in our galactic supercluster, and our supercluster is one of many millions throughout the universe.
“No blind worship and superstition.” I am afraid it is you who needs to take a better look at your religion. Such statements make you seem ignorant, arrogant, and not very classy. This one is particular is indirectly implying your religion is superior to all others, when it is not and never will be. We all know what such patronizing attitudes caused throughout history.
If we wish to inform and better the fellow man, we would not say that “slavery is alright” because the societal dogma of the time endorsed it. Rather, we would say that “slavery is a brutal and ugly system that undermines the humanity of the slaves. It must be abolished immediately.” In fact, such statements seem extremist, ignorant, and stupid for their time but in reality are correct. Being politically correct and conforming to the times only makes things worse. That is why the Civil War happened and that is why the slaves gained no real freedom for another 100 years and that is why anti-black sentiment exists even today.
[QUOTE=lotusgirl;49628]I could not have articulated better than TeeA regarding all the bashing. Thank you TeeA for writing what the vast majority of believe and think.
The problem is the way to change that which is wrong is not through playing the victim role or debating which religion is superior or who is more intelligent. This has historically never accomplished any goal. The only way to affect real, sustainable change is through dialogue. A dialogue that adheres to ahimsa and promotes a deep understanding (compassion) on all sides. When someone tells you you are wrong you will naturally defend your view even if it is proven beyond a shadow of a doubt. You, at that precise moment, cease to listen. Dialogue is stopped, and all we do is argue with no one being the winner. Instead of saying one is superior or that a religion is superior, show through example. Allow those who are listening to absorb what you are saying , allowing it to resonate. You may be surprised at the results! I’ve said this before and I’ll say this again, “The vast majority of people on this forum are not anti-Hindu and have never eluded they were.”
Yes, SD and Nietzsche, my thinking is different then yours on many matters. But I do share in your belief that Hinduism is great and wonderful. How can it not be? But you don’t help others to see this beauty by degrading other religions and wanting them wiped off the face of the earth. Each religion has pieces of it that are beautiful and can be shared. But when told that they are wrong, believing as devoutly as you, they will staunchly defend. And where does this take us? Right where we are now in the religious section. Division, bigoted remarks, ignore lists and such.
All sides have said things they’ve shouldn’t. I called SD arrogant. I do apologize to you SD for that. It was unkind of me. Personal opinions of people should not come into play. We all need to stop, reflect and be honest about what our intentions are. We all have so much to learn from each other. That’s what this forum is about. Not about who wins.[/QUOTE]
And what has such dialogue produced throughout the millennia? Nothing. We Hindus have done this sort of dialogue throughout the centuries and we have been the main proponents of such ahimsa. What has this produced for us? Nothing but poverty, sectionalism, religious/societal/political squalor, and so forth. You are foolish in thinking that everything needs to be tolerated. The fact is that the reason such suffering goes on the world today is because we tolerate incorrect and blatantly wrong systems. Of course people would defend the side to which they belong. But that doesn’t mean we always need to step back, give them tissues, hugs, kisses, samosas, Hersheys, Kit Kats, Cadburys, and what not, especially when they thing they defend is blatantly wrong.
“The vast majority of the people on this forum are anti-Hindu…” :lol:. *Goes off to find all the posts in which anti-Hindu sentiments were expressed by people who claimed they were not anti-Hindu, far on the path to spirituality, and so much wiser than SD and I."
Hinduism is not wonderful. the worst religion in the world. It is highly irrational and the work of Satan. Hinduism causes witch burnings, nations to be relegated to “the gutter”, violence against priests and nuns, intercaste discrimination, persecution of women, people to drink from polluted rivers, people to eat curry, people to become smelly, ugly, and shit colored Indians, people to own 7-11’s, people to make shitty movies with plots on how the guy couldn’t get the girl he wanted because of the difference in skin color, people to make a system for spiritual advancement that supposedly isn’t of their own making (how can these dark skinned and smelly barbarians following a mythological religion make something like that?), people to be inferior to the followers of Christianity and Islam, people to tolerate the destruction of their culture and society, people to burn churches and mosques, people to supposedly create methods for infanticide and commit it, people to be scantily clad on a daily basis, people to worship stones and mutant gods, people to follow a religion supposedly taught to the indigenous people of India by white conquerors from the Caucuses, people to become hairy, people to become dark skinned rapists, people to eat monkey brains, people to sacrifice humans to a multiple armed goddess baring her teeth and lashing out her tongue…I think I missed a few but thats OK. I will add them to the list next time I find some more out. Indians are an exceedingly depraved people with a religion that must be wiped out from the face of the Earth. Only with the redeeming help of Jesus can we be saved.
[QUOTE=Nietzsche;49793]
Hinduism is not wonderful. the worst religion in the world. It is highly irrational and the work of Satan. Hinduism causes witch burnings, nations to be relegated to “the gutter”, violence against priests and nuns, intercaste discrimination, persecution of women, people to drink from polluted rivers, people to eat curry, people to become smelly, ugly, and shit colored Indians, people to own 7-11’s, people to make shitty movies with plots on how the guy couldn’t get the girl he wanted because of the difference in skin color, people to make a system for spiritual advancement that supposedly isn’t of their own making (how can these dark skinned and smelly barbarians following a mythological religion make something like that?), people to be inferior to the followers of Christianity and Islam, people to tolerate the destruction of their culture and society, people to burn churches and mosques, people to supposedly create methods for infanticide and commit it, people to be scantily clad on a daily basis, people to worship stones and mutant gods, people to follow a religion supposedly taught to the indigenous people of India by white conquerors from the Caucuses, people to become hairy, people to become dark skinned rapists, people to eat monkey brains, people to sacrifice humans to a multiple armed goddess baring her teeth and lashing out her tongue…[B]I think I missed a few but thats OK. I will add them to the list next time I find some more out. [/B]Indians are an exceedingly depraved people with a religion that must be wiped out from the face of the Earth. Only with the redeeming help of Jesus can we be saved.[/QUOTE]
I am confused so forgive my directness with this request.
Please clarify if these are quotes (give the quote from thread) from people on this forum .
[QUOTE=TeeA;49797]I am confused so forgive my directness with this request.
Please clarify if these are quotes (give the quote from thread) from people on this forum .[/QUOTE]
Many of them are sentiments from the people on this forum. I don’t feel like digging through pages of threads and finding the quotes. You should read the threads. They are quite the interesting novel. The rest are typical Indian stereotypes and misconceptions of Hinduism.
[QUOTE=Nietzsche;49793]
“The vast majority of the people on this forum are anti-Hindu…” :lol:. [B]*Goes off to find all the posts in which anti-Hindu sentiments were expressed by people who claimed they were not anti-Hindu, far on the path to spirituality, and so much wiser than SD and I." [/B]
[I]Hinduism is not wonderful. the worst religion in the world. It is highly irrational and the work of Satan. Hinduism causes witch burnings, nations to be relegated to “the gutter”, violence against priests and nuns, intercaste discrimination, persecution of women, people to drink from polluted rivers, people to eat curry, people to become smelly, ugly, and shit colored Indians, people to own 7-11’s, people to make shitty movies with plots on how the guy couldn’t get the girl he wanted because of the difference in skin color, people to make a system for spiritual advancement that supposedly isn’t of their own making (how can these dark skinned and smelly barbarians following a mythological religion make something like that?), people to be inferior to the followers of Christianity and Islam, people to tolerate the destruction of their culture and society, people to burn churches and mosques, people to supposedly create methods for infanticide and commit it, people to be scantily clad on a daily basis, people to worship stones and mutant gods, people to follow a religion supposedly taught to the indigenous people of India by white conquerors from the Caucuses, people to become hairy, people to become dark skinned rapists, people to eat monkey brains, people to sacrifice humans to a multiple armed goddess baring her teeth and lashing out her tongue…I think I missed a few but thats OK. I will add them to the list next time I find some more out. Indians are an exceedingly depraved people with a religion that must be wiped out from the face of the Earth. Only with the redeeming help of Jesus can we be saved.[/I][/QUOTE]
You didn’t answer the question rather you tried to dodge it. If you are going to state that these are the sentiments of the people on this forum, then it is your place to make sure that if asked for the proof to give it. That is why when we quote someone in debate we also provide the links/citations/sources. To do otherwise is to state something as your opinion. If that is what it is then say it that way and don’t try to pass it off as fact. Besides the burden of proof is on you to provide the proof/citation when requested. I as the reader (or even fellow debator) should not have to dig for it.
I am going to assume that you don’t like it when someone else puts their opinions/words in your mouth. Your previous statement about things that have been said on the forum appears to be just that unless you prove that it is otherwise.
[QUOTE=TeeA;49804]You didn’t answer the question rather you tried to dodge it. If you are going to state that these are the sentiments of the people on this forum, then it is your place to make sure that if asked for the proof to give it. That is why when we quote someone in debate we also provide the links/citations/sources. To do otherwise is to state something as your opinion. If that is what it is then say it that way and don’t try to pass it off as fact. Besides the burden of proof is on you to provide the proof/citation when requested. I as the reader (or even fellow debator) should not have to dig for it.
I am going to assume that you don’t like it when someone else puts their opinions/words in your mouth. Your previous statement about things that have been said on the forum appears to be just that unless you prove that it is otherwise.[/QUOTE]
Nope, I wasn’t dodging. And as much as I like procrastinating, I really have to get to starting doing my homework now. Besides, I am too sick of the anti-Hindu/Indian sentiment to go through digging through pages of threads and quoting such statements. You, like everyone else on these forums, will only justify it and tell us we are wrong for protesting against oppression. It is a Christian trait to scorn anything non-whites or pagans say.
But I will humor you. I will give you the links of the threads in which these comments were made. Some of them contain links to obvious propaganda sites. You can look through them to your heart’s content.
It is a Christian trait to scorn anything non-whites or pagans say.
You know this isn’t true.
Christianity is not “white” anyway.
[QUOTE=thomas;49806]You know this isn’t true.
Christianity is not “white” anyway.[/QUOTE]
In religious matters? Yes, it is true. And yes, it isn’t white. But let us not forget how it became so.
Tell that to the majority of blacks in the US who are Christian. Tell that to all the Christian Asians.
But to say that Christian whites scorn anything a non-white says is a very racist and unfair statement.
[QUOTE=Nietzsche;49805]You, like everyone else on these forums, will only justify it and tell us we are wrong for protesting against oppression. It is a Christian trait to scorn anything non-whites or pagans say.[/QUOTE]
That is a big assumption that I am like everyone else on the forum. And who said I was white? I am American yes, Female yes, Christian yes. But that doesn’t make me white? And don’t feed me the line that because I am the above things that makes me “WHITE”. To be honest that’s is the biggest crock I will have heard.
Nor have I ever scorned anything you have said. Actually, in previous posts I advocated protesting. Just not in the way you would have liked but protesting none the same.
You see the problem with all your ranting is that all the normal, sane and educated person sees is anger. And while you are justified in that, it really turns those people off. Off from your points and your arguments. They will NEVER listen. They don’t want to deal with it. They have their own problems and their own lives.
Here is the issue I have with your above statements. While I understand that some here have had said somethings that are wrong and inappropriate, you in some ways are sinking to their level by doing the same. You are grouping all Christians/Americans/Westerners/ Whites together as if all of them share the same views, ideals, beliefs, opinions, and misconceptions. Just like they do to you when they say those hurtful Anti-Hindu remarks or hold the same misconceptions. Don’t Assume that everyone is the same. It only makes an ASS out of U and ME.
[QUOTE=thomas;49812]Tell that to the majority of blacks in the US who are Christian. Tell that to all the Christian Asians.
But to say that Christian whites scorn anything a non-white says is a very racist and unfair statement.[/QUOTE]
Christian Asians. Yes, I will tell them that their nations were ruthlessly colonized and raped, and their peoples forced to convert. I will tell my Vietnamese Asian friends how a Christianity missionary plotted to take over their country, along with certain French officials. I will tell my Christian Indian friends how their religion created the AIT, , caused divisions in India, creates religious instability today, how their ancestors were forced to convert through the merciless Portuguese slaughter of Hindus and destruction of Hindu temples and the proselytizing of the British, and so forth. I will tell my other Asian friends how a Christian convert caused the bloodiest civil war in history, the Taiping Rebellion.
Christian blacks. Yes, I will remind them how they were forced to work all day long on the plantations under brutal conditions, how their indigenous culture was squeezed out of them due to the inhumanity of their state, how they were forced to adopt Christianity through proselytization, how the status quo was justified using Christianity and white supremacist “logic.” I will remind them that they even after the Civil War which was supposedly fought for the blacks, they had to endure another century of oppression by Christian whites until a true Christian, Dr. Martin Luther King (a black) came to save the day. I will remind them of the shit they take every day about Obama, their skin color, and common black stereotypes. This, I will verily remind them.
What you need to convince them of is that Jesus Christ is not their Lord and Savior. That is why they are Christians.
[QUOTE=TeeA;49814]That is a big assumption that I am like everyone else on the forum. And who said I was white? I am American yes, Female yes, Christian yes. But that doesn’t make me white? And don’t feed me the line that because I am the above things that makes me “WHITE”. To be honest that’s is the biggest crock I will have heard.
Nor have I ever scorned anything you have said. Actually, in previous posts I advocated protesting. Just not in the way you would have liked but protesting none the same.
You see the problem with all your ranting is that all the normal, sane and educated person sees is anger. And while you are justified in that, it really turns those people off. Off from your points and your arguments. They will NEVER listen. They don’t want to deal with it. They have their own problems and their own lives.
Here is the issue I have with your above statements. While I understand that some here have had said somethings that are wrong and inappropriate, you in some ways are sinking to their level by doing the same. You are grouping all Christians/Americans/Westerners/ Whites together as if all of them share the same views, ideals, beliefs, opinions, and misconceptions. Just like they do to you when they say those hurtful Anti-Hindu remarks or hold the same misconceptions. Don’t Assume that everyone is the same. It only makes an ASS out of U and ME.[/QUOTE]
You are like most on the forum in that you can never hope to understand the oppression we go through. You are like most on the forum in that you always accuse us of spreading intolerance and violence and hatred because you do not understand what we, as Hindus, have go through on a daily basis.
I wasn’t going to feed you that line.
Of course they don’t want to deal with it. Remember that quote from MLK I keep quoting?
Of course I am angry. But I do find constructive ways to channel my anger by raising awareness. Admittedly, I get angry a lot in these matters, but that is for reasons I have stated many times.
I group them together because all Westerners are indeed bound by the fabric of Christianized and Westernized biases. When was the last time I heard a Westerner I thought was intelligent say something like “blacks are stupid” or “you worship mutant gods?” (he was a Christian). Oh yeah, not even a day ago. You won’t understand this since you are a Westerner. Even I, when I was a “tolerate all religions” do-gooder, used to have these biases.
However, I do recognize that everyone, including Westerners, have the chance to grow out of their biases. But I find that most Westerners, even adults, are lacking in this area as well. Such a thing is shocking considering the opportunities this country offers for educating oneself.
In the end, it is mostly Westerners who are making asses out of themselves. In the end, it is not surprising that many foreigners like me have such biases. For heaven’s sake, when most of our parents have a low opinion of whites and Americans in general, you know something is wrong.