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#21

If they did, then they would hate non-believers and personally take it on themselves to convert them or destroy them - because this is exactly what the clergies of their tradition have done historically and what their scriptures have ordained.

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#22
  1. The pre-existence of the soul
  2. The divine purpose of the soul to reconnect to the divine
  3. The all pervading divine reality underlying all
  4. The law of karma and reincarnation
  5. The multi-cosmos consisting of the various planes of reality
  6. The divine science of Yoga in order to liberate the soul
  7. The right to free and independent thought, action and speech
    8 ) The law of dharma
  1. The pre-existence of the soul has been proven by quantum mechanics. If there was no observer, there would be no reality at all. First the observer is required then there is a reality. The priority of the soul is therefore established.

It is also established by the hard problem of consciousness in neurobiology which cannot reduce consciousness to mattter, and moreover it has been found that memories are not stored in the brain, but are stored outside of the brain - outside of matter(non local memory)

It is also established through logical argument which shows that matter and consciousness have distinct properties and therefore distinct substances.

2 and 3) It is established through logical argument that there is an all pervading diviine reality which the human is seeking by the fact that human experience is always projected outside of apparent reality, thus proving that human experience seeks the transcedental reality. It is also established by the fact that the human suffers, hence its natural state is the converse of suffering.

  1. The law of karma is established through the fact that every effect always has a cause. This universe is governed by laws and these laws are knowable and can be used to predict what will happen. Similarly, mind is also governed by laws and all things first begin at the level of mind before they are produced in reality. This is proven by psychsomatic effects. The evidence of reincarnation is proven by empirical research into past life memories(Ian Stevenson)

  2. The multicosmos consisting of various planes or dimensions of reality is proven in quantum mechanics which shows that reality consists of local and non-local planes of reality. In String theory, quantum effects can only be explained by positing more dimensions(Machiu Kaku) In OBE research other planes and dimensions have been visited and documented(Robert Monroe, Robert bruce)

  3. It is proven in hundreds of clincal studies that Yoga does indeed transform the body and mind, improving health, function and vitality and unlocking hidden potentials of the mind. It is also established through logical argument that as consciousness and matter are distinct substances, the fact of embodiment is not real, but simply a misidentification that can be reversed when we consciouslly stop identifying with matter and mind.

  4. This is an obvious condition of any enlightened society. If you are not allowed to think, speak and act freely, then you will never be able to know the truth about reality.

8 ) It is again a fact that everything in the universe is governed by laws of nature. Everything has a natural order. Including how society is organized. The natural order of a human is different to the natural order of a snake. The natural order of something prescribes its function and actions.

You have shown in the past that you do not listen, so I know this will fall on deaf ears. I am simplying showing to the objective readers there is indeed proof for every tenet of the Vedic religion. Now go and show me proof for the following: Jesus is the only son of god; adam and eve; judgement day and resurrection; original sin; flat earth; heaven and hell.

#23

[QUOTE=Surya Deva;48397]You keep missing the point.

I agree that all people in all religions have an opportunity to attain the divine if they do good deeds, pray, meditate. There are plenty cases of enlightened souls that appeared in Christian tradition, Islamic tradition, Jewish tradition. However, in these cases it is not the actual traditions to thank, but the individuals who did not practice these traditions faithfully. If they did, then they would hate non-believers and personally take it on themselves to convert them or destroy them - because this is exactly what the clergies of their tradition have done historically and what their scriptures have ordained.

You are speaking in romantic language, but do not realise that their scriptures contain material to hate non-believers, to kill, maim and condemn them.

My problem with the Abrahamic religion is two-fold:

  1. It promotes hate and exclusivism
  2. It teaches false teachings(judgement day, flat and young earth, geocentric earth, original sin, adam and eve)

It does not teach the true teachings

  1. The pre-existence of the soul
  2. The divine purpose of the soul to reconnect to the divine
  3. The all pervading divine reality underlying all
  4. The law of karma and reincarnation
  5. The multi-cosmos consisting of the various planes of reality
  6. The divine science of Yoga in order to liberate the soul
  7. The right to free and independent thought, action and speech
    8 ) The law of dharma

Most of these teachings have actually been formally recognised within Christianity as anathemas. Therefore Christianity is a religion that actually rejects the true teachings. It is therefore by definition a false religion.[/QUOTE]

Do evil spirits exist in Hinduism?

#24

Evil spirits do exist in the lower astral planes.

#25

People joining these sidetracks of Christianity basically says that with time and development, we need to strip away aspects of Christianity in order keep it relevant.

If “the human community” keep changing and altering Christianity what will it look like in 10-, 20-, or 150- years from now? Judging from a poster I saw at my university today, where the “Christian University Church” offered meditation classes - it seems as if Christianity [B]will be[/B] Hinduism - however, I hardly think it will ever be labelled as such : maybe it will be called “Neo-Christianity” :wink:

Yeah, ever since the age of enlightenment Christianity has been slowly stripped away. First, they got rid of the flat earth and geocentric teachings and then apologised for it by saying that verses in the bible that sound like they are teaching about a flat and geocentric earth are just metaphors. Then they got rid of the creationist story that the world was made in 7 days and adam and eve were put on earth, and apologised for it by saying actually 7 days really meant 7 eons. Then apologies were made for the lack of evidence for the historical Jesus and the obvious exaggerations and distortions in the bible.

Today, a new net of apologies are emerging after the massive popularity of Yoga amongst Christians that the teachings of Yoga are also contained in the bible in metaphorical form(these verses are tortured to give them Yogic slants) in order to make Yoga seem compatible with Christianity.

So what Christianity actually remains today? Most secular Christians you talk to admit that the Christian bible is full of scientific errors, but still try to hold onto it as a moral guide. Some Christian philosophers even outright admit that the bible is an obvious myth, but argue that the myth is needed to keep people moral. Most Christians get embarrassed by the old testimant, but apologise by saying god is no longer like he was then :smiley: (I attended a lecture in Liverpool by a Christian professor of philosophy who said this exactly when I criticised the Christian god in the Q and A period)

It is obvious then Christianity is a falsified religion. Even Christians no longer believe it is true. This is why Neitzsche famously proclaimed, “God is dead” We are only holding onto it because its myths keep our current society alive.
When it is trully gone, then there is hope for a new society.

#26

[QUOTE=Surya Deva;48467]Evil spirits do exist in the lower astral planes.[/QUOTE]

Why do they exist

#27

The same reason you exist - because you do :smiley:

EDIT: Souls who have a lot of negative attachments enter into the lower astral planes

#28

[QUOTE=Surya Deva;48462]1) The pre-existence of the soul has been proven by quantum mechanics. If there was no observer, there would be no reality at all. First the observer is required then there is a reality. The priority of the soul is therefore established.

It is also established by the hard problem of consciousness in neurobiology which cannot reduce consciousness to mattter, and moreover it has been found that memories are not stored in the brain, but are stored outside of the brain - outside of matter(non local memory)

It is also established through logical argument which shows that matter and consciousness have distinct properties and therefore distinct substances.

2 and 3) It is established through logical argument that there is an all pervading diviine reality which the human is seeking by the fact that human experience is always projected outside of apparent reality, thus proving that human experience seeks the transcedental reality. It is also established by the fact that the human suffers, hence its natural state is the converse of suffering.

  1. The law of karma is established through the fact that every effect always has a cause. This universe is governed by laws and these laws are knowable and can be used to predict what will happen. Similarly, mind is also governed by laws and all things first begin at the level of mind before they are produced in reality. This is proven by psychsomatic effects. The evidence of reincarnation is proven by empirical research into past life memories(Ian Stevenson)

  2. The multicosmos consisting of various planes or dimensions of reality is proven in quantum mechanics which shows that reality consists of local and non-local planes of reality. In String theory, quantum effects can only be explained by positing more dimensions(Machiu Kaku) In OBE research other planes and dimensions have been visited and documented(Robert Monroe, Robert bruce)

  3. It is proven in hundreds of clincal studies that Yoga does indeed transform the body and mind, improving health, function and vitality and unlocking hidden potentials of the mind. It is also established through logical argument that as consciousness and matter are distinct substances, the fact of embodiment is not real, but simply a misidentification that can be reversed when we consciouslly stop identifying with matter and mind.

  4. This is an obvious condition of any enlightened society. If you are not allowed to think, speak and act freely, then you will never be able to know the truth about reality.

8 ) It is again a fact that everything in the universe is governed by laws of nature. Everything has a natural order. Including how society is organized. The natural order of a human is different to the natural order of a snake. The natural order of something prescribes its function and actions.

You have shown in the past that you do not listen, so I know this will fall on deaf ears. I am simplying showing to the objective readers there is indeed proof for every tenet of the Vedic religion. Now go and show me proof for the following: Jesus is the only son of god; adam and eve; judgement day and resurrection; original sin; flat earth; heaven and hell.[/QUOTE]

Blah, Blah, Blah. Always with the mountain of claims w/o any credible sources.
Ah, Hindutva pseudo-science at it’s best. :rolleyes:

#29

I am not going to bother to give you sources for the empirical sections(the rational sections giving logical arguments require one to follow a logical argument, and that is too much to expect :wink: ) because you have shown consistently that you do not listen to anything. I would rather spend my time doing something more worthwhile.

In any case while there is tons and tons of scientific evidence to support the Vedic teachings, can you find any scientific evidence for Jesus being the son of god, adam and eve, judgement day and resurrection, original sin, flat earth? Go on, I dare you :wink:

#30

I wonder who supposedly said the earth was flat?

But what is the scientific proof for reincarnation? That some people think they are Napoleon?

#31

99% of your activity here is worthless, so that doesn’t really prove out now does it?

In any case while there is tons and tons of scientific evidence to support the Vedic teachings

No there isn’t. Hindutva pseudo-science & propaganda counts for shi*

can you find any scientific evidence for Jesus being the son of god, adam and eve, judgement day and resurrection, original sin, flat earth? Go on, I dare you :wink:

I’m not a Christian, why would I try to “prove it”? :rolleyes:
You knuckleheads just don’t get it…

#32

[QUOTE=Surya Deva;48468]Yeah, ever since the age of enlightenment Christianity has been slowly stripped away. First, they got rid of the flat earth and geocentric teachings and then apologised for it by saying that verses in the bible that sound like they are teaching about a flat and geocentric earth are just metaphors. Then they got rid of the creationist story that the world was made in 7 days and adam and eve were put on earth, and apologised for it by saying actually 7 days really meant 7 eons. Then apologies were made for the lack of evidence for the historical Jesus and the obvious exaggerations and distortions in the bible.

Today, a new net of apologies are emerging after the massive popularity of Yoga amongst Christians that the teachings of Yoga are also contained in the bible in metaphorical form(these verses are tortured to give them Yogic slants) in order to make Yoga seem compatible with Christianity.

So what Christianity actually remains today? Most secular Christians you talk to admit that the Christian bible is full of scientific errors, but still try to hold onto it as a moral guide. Some Christian philosophers even outright admit that the bible is an obvious myth, but argue that the myth is needed to keep people moral. Most Christians get embarrassed by the old testimant, but apologise by saying god is no longer like he was then :smiley: (I attended a lecture in Liverpool by a Christian professor of philosophy who said this exactly when I criticised the Christian god in the Q and A period)

It is obvious then Christianity is a falsified religion. Even Christians no longer believe it is true. [B]This is why Neitzsche famously proclaimed, “God is dead”[/B] We are only holding onto it because its myths keep our current society alive.
When it is trully gone, then there is hope for a new society.[/QUOTE]

I did proclaim this very thing! Thank you for complimenting me…so kind…

#33

[QUOTE=thomas;48474]I wonder who supposedly said the earth was flat?

But what is the scientific proof for reincarnation? That some people think they are Napoleon?[/QUOTE]

Who? Well, not one person but the entire Church and much of European society. And ever heard of Thomas Aquinas? He was attempted to incorporate Aristotelian theories of the universe into Christian dogma and society.

I SD has already provided proof for reincarnation on numerous occasions.

Some people think they are Napoleon? Right, and I am - uh, excuse me - was the Buddha. Its the benefit of being Indian you see. We have a monopoly on having Buddha as our reincarnation since he was of South Asian stock and so am I and almost 1.1 billion other Indians…

#34

So you’re an atheist who believes in reincarnation?

Doesn’t seem to be consistent.

#35

SD has provided “proof” that convinces himself of reincarnation. I don’t see any reason to believe in this fantasy, and totally depressing concept. He has proof of all his “astral planes” too?

#36

[QUOTE=thomas;48474]
But what is the scientific proof for reincarnation? That some people think they are Napoleon?[/QUOTE]I loled :smiley:

Nah, there is no “proof” of reincarnation as I understand it. It is merely a very valid assumption stemming from the notion that ‘we are not our bodies’ (which in turn is proven by OBE:s and a series of logical arguments).

SD argued for the proof of reincarnation here

#37

[QUOTE=Surya Deva;48408]Again you miss the point what is the point being a Christian if you do not hate follow the Christian bible? The people you are referring too are secularized Christians who do not follow their religion faithfully, most who do not even read their bibles anymore. They are hardly representative of their religions.

Those who are representative are the clergies of various Church organizations and are still up to their antics, many of which have been posted here recently. They have now moved their activities to third world countries where they spread hate against the indigenous cultures and try to harvest the local populations.

The other influence Christianity has on this world is ideologically in the form of capitalism which reproduces the same Christian teachings, except in a secular form: chosen ones become the capitalists elite; original sin becomes the consumer who must buy products in order to feel adequate; the clergy become the media and the academic world that we all listen to. We are still living in a society that ideologically is no different to the one people were living in, in Sumerian times.

In order to uproot this entire civilisation we must uproot the religion it has all sprang from. We must show the world how it has been fooled into accepting a primitive and tribal desert culture and how it is high time, we get rid of it - and rebuild civilisation on a proper dharmic foundation.[/QUOTE]

You are lost in detail.

#38

[QUOTE=thomas;48485]SD has provided “proof” that convinces himself of reincarnation. I don’t see any reason to believe in this fantasy, and totally depressing concept. He has proof of all his “astral planes” too?[/QUOTE]

you don’t believe in the fantastic and depressing concept because you can’t see it?

This is Shocking from a man of faith.

#39

[QUOTE=Surya Deva;48408]
In order to uproot this entire civilisation we must uproot the religion it has all sprang from. We must show the world how it has been fooled into accepting a primitive and tribal desert culture and how it is high time, we get rid of it - and rebuild civilisation on a proper dharmic foundation.[/QUOTE]

I hope the counter-terrorism people see this. Then again, they might just conclude that SD is a delusional psychotic and not worthy of their attention.

#40

[QUOTE=The Scales;48507]You are lost in detail.[/QUOTE]

And you are lost for words. One-liners are boring. When you start fleshing out your points, and actually say something of substance, I might actually considering reading your posts, rather than skipping them.