Intelligence and spirituality

Spirituality
#81

[QUOTE=kareng;38513]Do you think that we have attained all that we can be?

Would you like to heal those who are suffering?
Would you like to know the thoughts of others in an instant and they yours?
Would you like to always make the right decisions?
Would you like to travel anywhere in the universe in an instant?
Would you like to go to the other dimensions that are unknown to the masses?
Would you like to cure yourself of illness?
Would you like to love all around you with sincerity?
Would you like to see all your previous lives?
Would you like to wake up everyday with warmth, love, laughter and contentment?
Would you?[/QUOTE]

What century are we living in??

#82

The one where the list above counts…I thought the ‘current’ universe was of interest to you? wouldn’t you like to visit the other 9 dimensions that String theory is now suggesting exists and Buddhism has expressed does exist? Using the third eye you can visit them yogiadam…

Kind Regards KarenG

#83

What century are we living in??

And YogiAdam, for that the century doesn’t matter. Please look intently at the list. They happen in the universe within, because of a time-less state that can be attained. A context of the outer universe (space) or a specific century (time) is irrelevant.

For example, Yoga Sutra was written several hundred years ago to codify a practice in vogue several hundreds of years before that. The sutras are valid verbatim even today. The underlying message of the sutras is ‘devoted practice’ to attain a spiritual state and not ‘engagement in intelligent arguments’ to prove a point. That kind of personal choice seems implied in “would you like to …”

Only forms and appearances change historically, core doesn’t. But core becomes conspicuously invisible to those eyes that enjoy details, jargon and contradictions to provide intellectual exhaustion in place of a spiritual experience. Thats what this thread is about.

#84

Yogiadam…I can therefore state, that based on your current thinking, that in say 8 thousand years time, anyone reading your posts can dismiss them as hilarious and start laughing out loud to all that you have stated?

Kind Regards Kareng

#85

Suhas Tambe very eloquently conveyed sir

Kind Regards Kareng

#86

Hehe, Yogiadam believes in materialism, hence he refuses to acknowledge anything outside of the basic 5 senses. Unfortunately for him, there is more than ample proof now there are realities outside of the 5 senses and thus our conception of the universe has gone beyond the 5 senses in this century. Yogiadam’s generation will be remembered as flat earthers are remembered today. As Kareng said, future generations are going to laugh out loud indeed.

#87

Look, believe whatever BS you guys like. Don’t let me stop you.

#88

Hello Surya Deva .hello suhas tambe Hello Yogiadam and to everyone who visits…I have found interesting articles on the subject of the potential other dimensions by typing in google—string theory 9 nine other dimensions…science is finally catching up with what has already been known for centuries…this is very exciting.
I have never been able to understand that when someone says…there is a really funny programme on television you should watch it, they do…but when you say would you like to visit other dimensions etc etc etc, they dont want to…how odd?? Is it simply that the latter requires discipline which they dont have?

Kind Regards Kareng

What is BS yogiadam…I have read yr reply after writing the rest of this…nothing in this universe could possibly stop me sir from the wonders I have encountered. My intention is to share what I know with you and all. Think of what you are missing out on before you dismiss us.

#89

[QUOTE=kareng;38542]Hello Surya Deva .hello suhas tambe Hello Yogiadam and to everyone who visits…I have found interesting articles on the subject of the potential other dimensions by typing in google—string theory 9 nine other dimensions…science is finally catching up with what has already been known for centuries…this is very exciting.
I have never been able to understand that when someone says…there is a really funny programme on television you should watch it, they do…but when you say would you like to visit other dimensions etc etc etc, they dont want to…how odd?? Is it simply that the latter requires discipline which they dont have?

Kind Regards Kareng

What is BS yogiadam…I have read yr reply after writing the rest of this…nothing in this universe could possibly stop me sir from the wonders I have encountered. My intention is to share what I know with you and all. Think of what you are missing out on before you dismiss us.[/QUOTE]

Be careful to claim to ‘know’. From philosophy we know ‘nothing can be know’. For one to admit knowing, is a delusion ALL religion fall for.

#90

I should tell you I was a christian in that I attended sunday school and all the christian holidays like harvest festivals etc etc my parents didnt go to church and didnt mind one way or the other whether I did or not… I was greatly suprised when I had my first divine experience that it was a hindu/Buddhist experience rather than a Christian one. I think that it depends on your lineage. Inside each of us is a history so when we start experiencing divine events, it will be in the FORMAT of our lineage. I only admit to knowing what is inside me…I cant say what is inside others. Their knowing will be based on their lineage and the divine events will be related to the history inside them, I think.
For me this explains why everyone who belongs to any religion defends it so powerfully, but it is a shock when the religion you might think you belong to is not the one in your history. It is a huge subject and I am aware there is much missing from this dialogue.

When I have removed the history inside me, enlightenment, ‘I know’ will follow.
kind Regards Kareng

#91

This have nothing to do with where the discussion is right now, this is actually an answer to city monks first post.

I have just read my first book on yoga. I read Hatha Yoga pradipika. Just out of curiousness I suppose. I like to read and I read lots and lots of books. When I think about it, the new “information” gained through the book made meditation easier for me, as my mind did not find as many questions as it did before I read the book, and it was much easier to relax the mind and focus.

The “information” was not of any rely spiritual kind, just a lot of information and interpretations on yogic practices and dates and stuff.

So, I suppose it depends on who you are and how your mind and body works.

#92

Information is cheap…

They who worship Practice (Avidya) alone fall into blind darkness,
and they who worship Knowledge (vidya) alone fall as though
into an even greater darkness.

A little knowledge, echoing the words of the wise does not a genius make…
it takes lots of practice and understanding.

#93

Spiritual domain has clear, visible bottom, but higher you go it becomes hazy and is only accessible to a keener mind. Words liberally used as synonyms in the colloquial sense, demand greater attention and fine distinction if one is dealing with complex concepts.

Reading books first provides [U]data[/U] as a fodder for thoughts. That means, if thoughts do not dwell on them, it remains data. Thoughts make it [U]information[/U], but that remains colored by the process itself. More efforts to de-color it and weed out biases, pre-formed ideas and emotions make the information, [U]knowledge[/U]. A sense of ?I? still lays hidden in the knowledge.

Removal of ?I? from the perception is a tough task. Both practices and knowledge have to culminate in a new ability to see the Spirit and the matter as partners in each object, including one?s own self. From that position, knowledge becomes [U]wisdom[/U].

In Yoga,[I][B]vidya[/B][/I] is wisdom; [I][B]avidya[/B][/I] is everything else. This is humbly submitted as data.

#94

I completely agree with Tangle. After reading these scriptures, the minds doubts are cleared and understanding is fostered. I have absolutely no doubts now in the validity of Yoga and the claims made within it, after reading the Bhagvad Gita, Upanishads, Yoga Sutras and Samkhya Karika. They present crystal clear explanations, logical arguments that any rational person would accept.

Now that my vision is so clear and I understand the beginning, mind and end, I don’t need any further maps. I don’t need to read anymore books. Interestingly, I went to a bookshop recently with my mates, and every book I picked up I already knew. I spent about 2 hours in there looking for a book, but I knew it all. It was all perpetual de ja vu.

I have a far superior understanding of spirituality than the the average so-called spiritual person, because I have learned from the best. I am probably in the top 1% in the world when it comes to spiritual knowledge. I take no credit for it, I was wise enough to read the scriptures and learn directly from them, than some watered down new-age book.

Now it is practice that I need. I know the theory very well, and I know why the practice works as well. There is no doubts in my mind. I can continue with the practice doubtless.

#95

Now that my vision is so clear and I understand the beginning, mind and end, I don’t need any further maps. I don’t need to read anymore books. Interestingly, I went to a bookshop recently with my mates, and every book I picked up I already knew. I spent about 2 hours in there looking for a book, but I knew it all. It was all perpetual de ja vu.

I have a far superior understanding of spirituality than the the average so-called spiritual person, because I have learned from the best. I am probably in the top 1% in the world when it comes to spiritual knowledge. I take no credit for it, I was wise enough to read the scriptures and learn directly from them, than some watered down new-age book.

I take it that in Hinduism, humility is not a virtue?

It is in Chrisitianity, even for those who know “everything.” In fact, they have the greatest need, since knowledge can puff someone up, leading to vanity and fullness of oneself.

#96

It is not my knowledge, so I have no vanity. I pay my respects to the Risis who discovered this knowledge. If anybody asks me, I refer them to the original texts. I never pass this knowledge off as my own.

When I directly experience my own knowledge then I will pass it off as my own. Then I will become my own Risi.

#97

Then what is the need to state the obvious if not vanity?

#98

I have a far superior understanding of spirituality than the the average so-called spiritual person, because I have learned from the best. I am probably in the top 1% in the world when it comes to spiritual knowledge.

I can find ten illiterate old ladies who have a superior understanding of spirituality than you, but because of their spirutuality and the humility that accompanies it, they would never make such a boast.

#99

Beats me who could say such a thing…hmmm ah I know, SD :roll: :smiley:

#100

I say get the basics in order first…kindness and understanding in all that you think and do
and when you slip up, correct yourself…And then carry on… knowing a tonne of information from books implies that people with no access to books etc don’t have any possibility of spiritual enlightenment which is absurd. So it cant be that, can it?