[QUOTE=Surya Deva;52710]I missed the other reply prior to the silly mock reply, so I am responding to those points because there is something to respond to in here.
This is why you clearly are an immature silly boy. I have not said Indians are bastards and
I certainly said nothing about their skin colour. This is your strawman. What I am doing is
making a sensible point, which is backed up by data on how overall Indian is a very corrupt
country. I am not saying this has anything to do with race, but rather to do with the economic
conditions. Even poor Eastern European countries have a lot of corruption, again because of economic
I evidently love India more than you do, because I am actually saying India needs to return to its
original roots, reject the Western socio-economic, political systems. You on the other hand, are championing those
western system. And I know why, because you family has recently come out of poverty because of those systems,
but you don’t give a damn about 800 million poor people living on less than 2 dollars a day and half of the Mumbai
population living in slums, because you are only interested in your economic interests. Hence, why you are no patriot.
I am the one who is very concerned about the 800 million people living on less than 2 dollars a day and the growing
economic inequality between the poor and rich in India. You don’t give two hoots you hypocrite.
Nope, you silly boy. I never said the West has become spiritual all by itself. I have said on many occasions the growth of spirituality in the West can be traced to the enlightenment. This in turn was precipitated by the cultural intercourse between the East and West, where Eastern knowledge flowed into the West via the arabs, trade routes and colonialism. This later, bought about the Romantic movement and transcedentalist movement and since then spirituality has been growing in the West. The vast majority of the credit for the emergence of spirituality goes to the missionary activity of Hindu gurus flocking the West.
What you are doing by repeatedly misrepresenting what I am saying and then shooting the misrepresentation down is known as a strawman fallacy.
If you were an honest debator, you would represent accurately what I am saying.
Nope, you silly boy(I have to keep calling you this now, because you are behaving like an immature boy, and not an adult) I said India’s situation is improving indeed, but only for the elites. 70% of the population has seen no benefit from the rise of a 30% middle class. India is shining only for those who are getting rich from its capitalism. Capital is falling into fewer and fewer hands, and the gap is widening between the common man of India and the rich man. Just recently, Mukesh Ambani bought himself a $1 billion home, the most expensive home in the world - in a country where 800 million live on less than 2 dollars a day, 100-200 million live in slums, and every second or thrid child is malnourished.
Again who is the real patriot here, you who simply don’t give a damn about your common man, or me who does?
No, you silly boy. The West is not the pinnacle of civilisation, morality and spirituality. I have repeatedly said the West is one of the most debauched places on face of this planet and is now experiencing a total socio-econoomic, polical and moral breakdown, which has been brewing in the West for decades now. But India is not the pinnacle either. Ancient India was, but ancient India is not modern India. If you can understand this, you will start to hear what I am saying.
Right now, you are the most arrogant, ignorant, fundamentalist and jingiostic member. While, I am talking of the need for a rise of global spirituality and the unification of all humanity so that in the future we live in in a global village where our only identity is human, you are only concerned with the rise of India to superpowerdom and are wishing for the destruction of the West.
Slowing improving? The rich and getting richer and the poor are getting poorer. The economic gap is widening
expotentially every decade. Why should we wait a few decades the poor to slowly get a bit of crumbs to fall down from the
wealthy in India, and have a better living standard, when the whole situation can be changed in less than a decade
by redistributing the obscene amounts of wealth that the rich covert, where $1 billlion is spent on homes for the rich,
across society. When that happens, then you can say India is improving. Otherwise, India is on the same trajectory as
all capitalist countries which all ends up in total breakdown of society. That all late capitalist countries are experiencing
Can you not tell when I am being cynical and when I am actually responding to a specific point you have made? It was meant to be sarcasm.
Every single point you made about me are extrapolations of what I have told you, designed to hurt my feelings. How spiritual of you.
Let’s get something straight. You are a 30 year old man with a degree with Philosophy and free to pursue whatever captures your interest. I am merely a teenager who is inundated with mounds of homework and whose main goal is to get out of high school. You clearly have more freedom regarding what you can do with your hands.
Once again, you misinterpret what I have been saying the WHOLE TIME. I do not LIKE capitalism. I just believe that there is NO WAY the world can get out of that trap. I have always maintained that the best that can be done is to go along with what we have and hope for the best.
Besides, Gandhi had almost the exact same thoughts as you on what he wanted India to become. Do you honestly think his ideas would have worked in an increasingly militarized, industrialized, and modernized world?
Your interpretation of my family history is VERY flawed.
Oh yes, you EVIDENTLY care for the majority of Indians living in poverty. That is EXACTLY why you called Indians the most stupidest, arrogant, and ignorant people on the planet. That is precisely why you recounted a family story to highlight the extent of the depravity of Indians. Nowhere in those self-racist statements do I find ANY inkling of you having ANY concern for India’s masses.
I am sorry. What degree do you have in History? What courses have you taken? Emerging spirituality in the West has largely NOTHING to do with the influence of Vedic mindsets. It was mostly the influence of Enlightenment ideals and so-called “Christian” idealism. Yeah sure, Thoreau may have read the Vedas, Nikola Tesla may have attended Vivekananda’s lectures, Schopenhauer may have adored the Upanishads, but those instances only ADDED to their beliefs. Sure Oppenheimer may have been heavily influenced by the BG but how many of the other scientists or Americans actually took his example and read the BG themselves? How often do we learn about these Indic influences? We don’t, and mostly because they didn’t have as significant a impact as you make it out to be.
Oh boo hoo, back in the 1800’s in this country, only the rich were getting richer, and the poor were getting poorer. 50-70% of the population lived in rural areas. Strikes were frequently broken by bringing in the state militia or the federal army. How did this change? By prolonged and continued protest, sometimes violent, sometimes peaceful. In the same way, we simply can’t give up on India and start helping those who are ALREADY better off. We have to protest, raise awareness, fight, go on strikes, and etc. Indians can’t simply give up on India like you and many others have.
Again, what have you done to change the situation in India? If you were truly a patriot, what have you done, what DIFFERENCE did you POSSIBLY make in the lives of even the tiniest proportion of India’s population? On the other hand, my family donates a shit load of money to charities and other such organizations to help the people of their city, annually. If a person looks like a genuine beggar (because of the whole organized begging thing), we don’t hesitate to give them money. My grandfather runs a school for underprivileged somewhere in Andra Pradesh. Recently, my father gave money to him so he could provide for one of his students who had the highest marks in the state, but was recently orphaned and poor. Also at the request of my grand-father, he also gave money to help one of our distant family relationships escape from poverty, after her husband died, leaving 3 or 4 year old children to her care. What has your family done?
But of course, you won’t believe me. You will continue to think I am a rich and spoiled brat from India, even though I was actually 6 years old when I moved to America and hence, would not have had time to develop such materialistic notions. Besides, you do realize that my family was considered lower-class when we moved here right? Why didn’t he use his family’s vast fortune you ask? Because my family wanted him and us to learn the lessons of hard work, integrity, education, and so forth.
Alright then, believe what you will.
Destruction of the West? No, the destruction of its arrogance, its chauvinism, its notions of superiority. For that to happen, they must know what it means to be a third world country, to be scorned as poor, illiterate, ignorant, and etc. Their decline is already happening and is visible enough for the unfaded eye to see.