Every single point you made about me are extrapolations of what I have told you, designed to hurt my feelings. How spiritual of you
No, you are behaving like a paranoid wreck. Not everybody who has something good to say about the West and something bad about India is a white supremist. You have been freely labelling everybody on this forum a white supremist and now you have even labelled me one. This just makes you look like a paranoid wreck and no objective reader is going to take you seriously.
There is no agenda on my side to hurt you or your feelings. My only agenda, as it always has been is truth and this overrides everything else. Hence, why I did not hestitate to turn against you, despite your loyalty to me and the fact that you teamed up with me against the attacks I had to face on this forum. I am prepared to lose even my friends so truth can prevail. You are freely and irresponsibly exaggerating the merits of India and the demerits of the West. I ain’t having any of that, even if you are/were a friend. As I’ve always maintained be honest, be objective and be factual. It is easy to be honest - you simply stick to the facts. I have no double standards. I am very scathing in my criticisms of Abrahamic religions, and I am equally as scathing of modern India. You are very scathing in your criticisms of Abrahamic religions, but defensive of India.
To a Hindu, personal relationships, nationality, profit or loss is not as important as dharma. Dharma is the most important. This is also the message of the Gita. Be honest, be objective and be factual, even if that means going againist your friends and family, your nationality or incurring loss. I am a highly consistent person when it comes to honesty. I don’t have double standards. One thing cannot be wrong for the West and right for India. The things you condemn the West for, are the same things that India has, if not worse.
Once again, you misinterpret what I have been saying the WHOLE TIME. I do not LIKE capitalism. I just believe that there is NO WAY the world can get out of that trap. I have always maintained that the best that can be done is to go along with what we have and hope for the best.
Then you have absolutely no confidence in your own Indian systems. So how are you patriotic then? I have absolute confidence in the varna-ashrama dharma system, because it has been the socio-economic system of India for the past few millenias and India was reigning at the top of the world when this system was in place. It produced great development in science, technology, engineering, spirituality, arts, that went on to shape much of the world.
Then you are going along with British villification of Indian culture, which abolished the varna-ashrama dharma system, abolished Indian’s traditional industries, abolished Sanskrit education by calling it “inferior and paltry compared to Western education”
How on earth then can you claim you are patriotic about India? It has becoming exceeding clear in this discussion that I am the true patriot here, and you are a hypocrite who condemns the West, yet want to keep its systems intact and are celeberating the rewards a few Indians are getting from those systems, ignoring the hundreds of millions who are getting poorer vis a vis the elites, and ignoring the the ultimate fate of a capitalist country. You are only interested in delusions, not reality. Hence, why you even ignore the real Chinese threat, which even the Indian military has acknowledged and warned about.
Be honest, stick to facts and be factual. That is the Aryan way. Otherwise, don’t claim you are Hindu. You show more evidence of being a nationalist than a Hindu.
Besides, Gandhi had almost the exact same thoughts as you on what he wanted India to become. Do you honestly think his ideas would have worked in an increasingly militarized, industrialized, and modernized world?
Nope, Gandhi’s swadeshi system had nothing to do with reinstating the varna-ashrama dharma system. Gandhi’s solution was to close of the economy to foreign goods and only buy and sell indigenious goods. He did nothing to bring back the traditional Vedic systems. He did nothing to end capitalism.
am sorry. What degree do you have in History? What courses have you taken? Emerging spirituality in the West has largely NOTHING to do with the influence of Vedic mindsets. It was mostly the influence of Enlightenment ideals and so-called “Christian” idealism. Yeah sure, Thoreau may have read the Vedas, Nikola Tesla may have attended Vivekananda’s lectures, Schopenhauer may have adored the Upanishads, but those instances only ADDED to their beliefs. Sure Oppenheimer may have been heavily influenced by the BG but how many of the other scientists or Americans actually took his example and read the BG themselves? How often do we learn about these Indic influences? We don’t, and mostly because they didn’t have as significant a impact as you make it out to be.
You are really starting to sound like the complete opposite of an Indian patriot now. I wonder if you really are the wannabe white supremist? Europe was going nowhere prior to the contact with the Arabs. The Arabs made huge contributions in science, technology, engineering and mathematics, but this knowledge the Arabs had was all plagiarised from India, Greece, Persia. This is how Europe got the Hindu numeral system. Hundreds of Sanskrit texts were translated into Arabic, often without credit and the Indian sciences were studied thorougly by Arabs. Mathematics even got the name “Hindusa” meaning from the Hindus.
The Europeans did pretty much what the Arabs did with the Indians, they inherited all the knowledge from Arabs, but pretended that this knowledge was all originally European anyway, from the Greeks. This triggered the Renissance in Europe and lead to the notion of white supriority, how all of science, technology and philosophy began in Greece(this is also referred to as Greek fetishism in comparative philosophy) This idea was challenged by the so-called Romantics, who pointed to the orient as the original source and seeked inspiration from there. But due to white superoity sentiments in the West, such ideas were derided by the mainstream community. Hence why the Romantics were called “Romantic” is was the 18th century equivalent of a hippy/new-ager/pseudoscientist. Europe freely borrowed(what today would be called plagiarised) from India in all areas, while deriding the source. It learned how to manufacture steel by reverse engineering Indian wootz steel, it developed a small pox vaccination and plastic surgery techniques by studying Ayurveda, it developed linguistics by studying Sanskrit. And Practically, all of modern psychology owes its debt to Yoga.
So the Vedic influence on Western enlightenment has been significant and vast. It is not acknowledged because of Western chauvanism or what in post-colonial studies is known as orientalism or eurocentrism. The Aryan invasion theory is another product of Eurocentrism. In the European narrative, everything has to be traced to the Greeks. This is why European scholars always try to give later dates to Indian scientists, philosophers etc, so they make it look like the Indians learned their knowledge from the Greeks. And where it is categorical that Indian knowledge precedes Greek dates, they argue the Greeks independently developed the same knowledge. The general rule of thumb is: if it is later than some Greek based on Western scholars, then the Indians borrowed. If it is earlier than some Greek based on Western scholars, then the Greeks and Indians developed it independently
But of course even to this very day plenty of brave non-eurocentric Western scholars point out the very obvious borrowing of Greek civilisation from India. The very fact that you are buying into the eurocentric propoganda makes you laughable as somebody who is suppose to be patrotic and a Hindu.
Oh boo hoo, back in the 1800’s in this country, only the rich were getting richer, and the poor were getting poorer. 50-70% of the population lived in rural areas. Strikes were frequently broken by bringing in the state militia or the federal army. How did this change? By prolonged and continued protest, sometimes violent, sometimes peaceful. In the same way, we simply can’t give up on India and start helping those who are ALREADY better off. We have to protest, raise awareness, fight, go on strikes, and etc. Indians can’t simply give up on India like you and many others have.
I tell you what has changed from 1800’s America and 2000 America - the rich are manifold times even richer. They are so rich they can buy out entire countries, have their own armies, private jets and own global business empires which are present in every country. In 1800’s, nobody was this powerful. But because Americans allowed the rich to continue to covert wealth, they became powerful. Now, these elites are so powerful they wield power on the government and affect its policies. The result is a society which is dominated by the few(What Weber called beuracratic capitalism) While, the living standards of the masses did improve from 1800 to 2000, the improvement is tanamount to crumbs falling down from the wealthy to the masses(the so-called trickle down effect) the masses still had to toil along working long hours and paying bills, even the so-called middle class, while the elite flew about in jet planes around the world lounging in 5-star resorts.
There is no such thing as a middle class really, there are those who have to work to earn a living and those who do not i.e., there is a working class and capitalist class. Now look at where America, the Western world, and other capitalist countries are today? With a figure approaching 60 million people living in poverty and middle class crumbling even the few crumbs the masses got are being taken away. All the wealth is being redistrubted to the elite at the top and the common man has become dirt poor. This is not just happening in America, it happening in all late-capitalist countries.
And this is what you want for India? Wah, what a patriot you are! No, Hindu Aryan would tolerate such an unfair and adharmic system where all the wealth generated in a society is coverted by the few at the top, rather than distributed equally across society for the betterment of all. I seriously think I have more grounds for calling you a wannabe white supremist, than you do me. I am the one fighting for the cause of India, and India really represents, the dharmic civilisation. You are fighting for the cause of the West, while thinking you are representing India, but actually you are representing the Abrahamic civilisation and its exploitative socio-economic structure.
Again, what have you done to change the situation in India? If you were truly a patriot, what have you done, what DIFFERENCE did you POSSIBLY make in the lives of even the tiniest proportion of India’s population? On the other hand, my family donates a shit load of money to charities and other such organizations to help the people of their city, annually. If a person looks like a genuine beggar (because of the whole organized begging thing), we don’t hesitate to give them money.
What am I doing? I am keeping India alive by maintaining awareness of Vedic culture. I have fought tough battles with my Eurocentric professor of philosophy and risked my degree and pretty much destroyed my prospects of getting a good reference from my supervisor. I have bought to light the great philosophy of Samkhya and what it has to contribute to modern science and technology. I have bought back several Indians back to their Vedic roots and exposed many people in my life to the Vedic culture - friends, family, strangers. I taught my mother how to meditate and now she meditates everyday. I have given talks at conferences on Vedic civilisation and the need to revive it.
I am sacrificing a potentially lucrative academic career, so I can go to India and follow the traditional Vedic path(where it is still offered) so I can become a spiritual teacher and make a bigger contribution to this world. Giving money to the poor in charity is all well and good, but it only cures the symptoms, not the root. The root of society is its socio-economic system, and when the root is so rotten(capitalism) you are going to have ills. There is a very simple solution to curing the root called capitalism: redistrbute the wealth in society along Vedic principles.
My goal is the total revival of the Vedic civilisation as it existed during Satya Yuga globally. This makes me the true patriot, not you, who rubbish this as idealism and want to maintain Western hegemony of India. Would you make the sacrifice I am making and renounce the world to dedicate yourself to the Vedic path?
Destruction of the West? No, the destruction of its arrogance, its chauvinism, its notions of superiority. For that to happen, they must know what it means to be a third world country, to be scorned as poor, illiterate, ignorant, and etc. Their decline is already happening and is visible enough for the unfaded eye to see.
This proves you are incredibly delusional. The common Western man is not your enemy, but rather the global elite capitalists are your enemy. The elite in the West are not getting any poorer, but richer. Recently, the American elite were awarded hundreds of millions of dollars in tax breaks. It is the common American man that is suffering. America, is still the richest country in the world, the only thing that has changed is the distribution of wealth, which has fallen into fewer and fewer hands.
This global elite class exists in every country, including India and China. To these global elites, there is no such thing as a nation state, but rather all that exist are markets. This is why under international trade unions, nation states are being collapsed. Under the EU, all of Europe is being collapsed. Under the NAFTA all of North America is being collapsed. Later, they too will merge to form a Western megastate. This is what globalization is all about.
But against the interests of the Western elites, are the interests of the Middle Eastern elites, Chinese elties and Russian elites. The Indian elites have pretty much acquiesed to the Western elites, settling for a Western dominated world where they can play some key role. But the Middle East, Chinese and Russian elites are a huge thorn in the butt of the Western elites - they are anti-Western and have their own plans for expansion.
It is all flaring up right now between the West, Middle East, China and Russia. Recently Afghanistan, then Iraq, now Iran, soon Lybia, Syriya etc. The key allies of these middle Eastern countries are China and Russia. So forget about a few decades of India’s rise, India future is in danger. While Indians sit there singing and dancing to the tune of their Westen-derived media, and slaving away at call centres and software centres for Western companies, the entire geopolitical landscape of the world is changing rapidly that has direct ramafications for the future of India’s existence itself.
Sometimes, I say to myself, the coming destruction of India is thoroughly deserved by the Indians of today, because they are such a hopelessly deluded and ignorant people.