Is the West becoming more spiritual?


#81

The truth is that I already knew all of this and, therefore, can’t deny it. These are the very reasons I came to hate Christianity and Islam (and the idiot sheep brains that subscribe to it).

But there is a way out. If Narendra Modi becomes PM, he will know what to do with India’s economy. He has already worked wonders in Gujarat. Once the BJP becomes associated with economic success, then they can slowly start making some progress regarding India’s culture and systems.

In the meantime, Indians like you and me can’t just take a backseat. More needs to be done to expose the evils of these demonic religions, in debates and etc. Indians will eventually come to realize the Truth about these civilization-destroying religions with time. Then progress can be made.


#82

The truth is that I already knew all of this and, therefore, can’t deny it. These are the very reasons I came to hate Christianity and Islam (and the idiot sheep brains that subscribe to it).

N,

It’s language like this that gets one into trouble! People will only see the negative in what you write, like above, and will completely close up. Or get angry. Is that really what you want? You are doing little to support your cause.


#83

[QUOTE=Surya Deva;53050]…

The BJP-NDA government was not a perfect government by any means, but they tried to do a lot of good stuff for India and under the BJP government India saw its most success in economics, development. Why did the idiot 80% Hindus vote this government out? How on earth can they tolerate a government that is made out of minorities and whose leader is from Italy? Nowhere in the rest of the world would such a government be tolerated, but 80% Hindus do. This is why I am so disappointed in Indians.

The biggest problem India faces is secularism - also known as Muslims and Christians. They will never allow India to be India again. But in a country where they are relatively small minorities, they should not be allowed to have so much power and influence. They have no right to protest and cry about India’s heritage and history being represented in education. Can you imagine if we living in the West, started to cry when the West represented its heritage? We would be thrown out by the masses for being obviously disloyal to the country.

Currently, Sonia Gandhi’s son, Rahul Gandhi, is being primed for being India’s next prime minister. I really see no future for this country.[/QUOTE]

Because of the media. The media in India is run by Christians/Muslims who denounce everything Indian and Hindu. They poison the minds of Indians against their own religion and party.

I once asked my mother and father about the media in India. They told me it was no better than Fox news in America.

The problem is that the BJP identifies itself with a religion. No political party in a secular nation can ever win if they are too strongly identified with any religion. The solution is to have a party that epitomizes development and so forth and is mostly made up of Hindus. In that way, Hindus can inject themselves into the branches of the government.

That is politics for you. Our congress party (not going to capitalize it) does a good job of hiding their agendas. It is high time Hindus learn to play along.


#84

[QUOTE=lotusgirl;53073]N,

It’s language like this that gets one into trouble! People will only see the negative in what you write, like above, and will completely close up. Or get angry. Is that really what you want? You are doing little to support your cause.[/QUOTE]

Ahh…so quick to jump on us “pagans”…and yet you say nothing about the Christians who called Baba Ramdev “a bloody Indian” and “wicked dog, I will come up and drag the mike from you” and other highly offensive words/phrases in Hindi. Surya Deva was kind enough to post a link to the video. Why don’t you watch it? Even though its in Hindi (which, FYI, SD and I speak, so don’t accuse us of making this up), you can still understand the gist of what is going on. Its people like Christians and Muslims “that gets them into trouble. People will only see the nega” -…wait what the HELL am I saying? People don’t CARE when Christians and Muslims do this…however, when a pagan reacts to all this hatred and bigotry, its a BAD thing and NEEDS to be labeled HINDUTVA.

In reality, its people like YOU who make things worse, pretending everything is happy and sweet while choosing to ignore the harsh reality.

But that isn’t all! Christians and Muslims in India do this every day. They murder us, defame us, undermine our culture and desecrate it.Yet YOUR media and our Christian/Muslim run media reports nothing of this.

Christians and Muslims can never coexist peacefully with any other religions or peoples. It is in their religion to destroy the identity of other races and assimilate them into their shoddy umbrella. We Hindus tolerated people like you for several eons. They have done nothing but murder and rape us and our culture. We tried extending our love and tolerance and you took advantage of it. We tried ignoring you, in the hope that you all would learn, and the situation just gets worse.

Enough is enough. It is high time people stopped being politically correct and see the TRUTH; the TRUTH that these religions must GO.


#85

N,

Does your finger hurt with all the finger pointing you do? Why so much anger against me? I’m not your enemy.


#86

[QUOTE=lotusgirl;53080]N,

Does your finger hurt with all the finger pointing you do? Why so much anger against me? I’m not your enemy.[/QUOTE]

“I had hoped that the white moderate would see this need. Perhaps I was too optimistic; perhaps I expected too much. I suppose I should have realized that few members of the oppressor race can understand the deep groans and passionate yearnings of the oppressed race, and still fewer have the vision to see that injustice must be rooted out by strong, persistent and determined action.” - Martin Luther King

You are not the enemy. Your ignorance, silence, political-correctness, and Christianized-biases are.

My finger definitely doesn’t hurt for it is my duty to point out injustice against my people wherever I see it.

Does you finger hurt from avoiding us pagan’s posts and diverting the conversation away from the topic at hand through strawmen?


#87

Just tryin’ to lighten things up and hopefully let you see how silly you are acting. I have avoided many of the posts in this section of late because they are not geared toward learning or moving forward with all the christian bashing, etc. If we are all true yogi’s there shouldn’t be any bashing. Only discussion.

AND I AM NOT A CHRISTIAN. But I’ve already told you that and you choose to not believe me. That’s fine.


#88

Lg, I am a bit surprised that you had no problem with this Christian MP calling this Hindu guru a “bloody Indian” and “wicked dog” You did not make a single comment about this. Rather, you condemned us for being outraged. I am pretty sure your response would not be the same if somebody called Obama, “A bloody arab”

When you give such one sided responses like this, you leave us with no choice, but to question your allegiances.

I have already posted in the past what Christian missionaries and Islamic missionaries are doing in India. Should we just pretend it is not happening, and let Hindus get persecuted in their own country. I have not met a single Hindu guru who has not tried to embrace Christians and Muslims. In this discourse, Zakir Naik, a highly popular Muslim speaker who gives addresses to an audience of hundreds of thousands of Muslims, ridicules Hinduism, rejects the gesture of kindness and co-existence by the Hindu guru, and concludes by saying he wants to save the Hindu guru by bringing him to Islam. The audience give his message of peace a hostile response, even jeer him and attack him during the Q&A

These are Indian Muslims from Bangalore, the most moderate Muslims in the world.


#89

[QUOTE=lotusgirl;53087]Just tryin’ to lighten things up and hopefully let you see how silly you are acting. I have avoided many of the posts in this section of late because they are not geared toward learning or moving forward with all the christian bashing, etc. If we are all true yogi’s there shouldn’t be any bashing. Only discussion.

AND I AM NOT A CHRISTIAN. But I’ve already told you that and you choose to not believe me. That’s fine.[/QUOTE]

Does being a Yogi mean tolerating people who want nothing less than to wipe out your people and religion? Just checking.

But you do have Christianized biases, which is quite different from being overtly Christian. But I’ve already told you that and you choose to not believe me. That’s fine.

LADIES AND GENTLEMEN! I PRESENT TO YOU, ANTI-HINDU BIAS IN AMERICA!

Brought to you by the AP!

Take careful note on how he mostly condemns Hindus who reacted against the Muslim sabotage, and not the Muslims who murdered the Hindus!

Take careful not on how he choose to ignore the fact that Muslims murder Hindus on a DAILY BASIS and have been murdering Hindus for over 1000 years!

Take careful note of the fact that he is an INDIAN!


#90

In this debate, between a Hindu speaker, Dr Dubey, and a popular Christian speaker and scholar, pretty much ridicules Hinduism, does not want to play friendly and makes no attempt understand what the Hindu speaker says. He ends up insulting the Hindu speaker, his sentiments and his religion, and the audience consisting of predominatly Christian members give him a hostile and cold response. Again, his message is for religious tolerance and religious pluralrism, all paths lead to god. A common view given by Hindu gurus.

Hunt accuses Hinduism of being demonic, its meditation as a means to get possessed by demons.

Why do you continue to ignore this obvious hatred amongst Christians and Muslims for other religions? Don’t you realise by not acknowledging this very real problem, you are taking part in perpetuating it?


#91

[QUOTE=Surya Deva;53090]Lg, I am a bit surprised that you had no problem with this Christian MP calling this Hindu guru a “bloody Indian” and “wicked dog” You did not make a single comment about this. Rather, you condemned us for being outraged. I am pretty sure your response would not be the same if somebody called Obama, “A bloody arab”

When you give such one sided responses like this, you leave us with no choice, but to question your allegiances.

I have already posted in the past what Christian missionaries and Islamic missionaries are doing in India. Should we just pretend it is not happening, and let Hindus get persecuted in their own country. I have not met a single Hindu guru who has not tried to embrace Christians and Muslims. In this discourse, Zakir Naik, a highly popular Muslim speaker who gives addresses to an audience of hundreds of thousands of Muslims, ridicules Hinduism, rejects the gesture of kindness and co-existence by the Hindu guru, and concludes by saying he wants to save the Hindu guru by bringing him to Islam. The audience give his message of peace a hostile response, even jeer him and attack him during the Q&A

These are Indian Muslims from Bangalore, the most moderate Muslims in the world.

Ahh…Fakir Nalayak. That comical Muslim. His debates consist of nothing more than Eurocentric interpretations of Indian history, subscriptions to the thoroughly adulterated Bhuvisya Purana (adulterated by Christians and Muslims who wanted to gain converts), and misinterpretations of Hindu scriptures.


#92

Hold your britches, SD. I didn’t watch it. I don’t know what you are referring to???

I didn’t condemn anyone!


#93

[QUOTE=Surya Deva;53092]In this debate, between a Hindu speaker, Dr Dubey, and a popular Christian speaker and scholar, pretty much ridicules Hinduism, does not want to play friendly and makes no attempt understand what the Hindu speaker says. He ends up insulting the Hindu speaker, his sentiments and his religion, and the audience consisting of predominatly Christian members give him a hostile and cold response. Again, his message is for religious tolerance and religious pluralrism, all paths lead to god. A common view given by Hindu gurus.

Hunt accuses Hinduism of being demonic, its meditation as a means to get possessed by demons.

Why do you continue to ignore this obvious hatred amongst Christians and Muslims for other religions? Don’t you realise by not acknowledging this very real problem, you are taking part in perpetuating it?[/QUOTE]

Most people don’t realize that Islam and Christianity contains doctrinal bias against other religions. Islam and Christianity preach intolerance and hatred of other religions. You can even see that much from Thomas, who despite practicing Yoga, shares much of the same biases as fundamentalist Christians and believes his religion is superior over all others.

This is why these religions must perish.


#94

Well, why were you quick to condemn N and indirectly me then, if all we are doing is reacting with outage to a Christian MP calling a Hindu guru in his own country, “A bloody Indian and dog” I even gave a link to the story.

Again, I am sorry, but you do bring your loyalty into question when you are quick to condemn Hindus and point out flaws in Hinduism, and turn a blind eye to all the evils of Christianity and Islam, and the hatred they have. Like I said, Hindus are trying their best to make a gesture of friendship to the Christians and Muslims. It is Christians and Muslims which are not reciprocating.

In fact, recently when I went to Glanstonbury with a friend I attended a sufi group. Supposedly the most spititual sects of Islam. We were told, "God’s true name is Allah, and he is the almighty and supreme creator. They took the piss out of Vedanta teachings that god and us are one.


#95

[QUOTE=lotusgirl;53094]Hold your britches, SD. I didn’t watch it. I don’t know what you are referring to???

I didn’t condemn anyone![/QUOTE]

Are you serious? I was talking about the video with you EARLY on in this discussion. It was my FIRST response to you. And now you say “I don’t know what you are referring to???”

We didn’t say you were condemning anyone. Can you please stick to the discussion at hand?


#96

[QUOTE=Surya Deva;53096]Well, why were you quick to condemn N and indirectly me then, if all we are doing is reacting with outage to a Christian MP calling a Hindu guru in his own country, “A bloody Indian and dog” I even gave a link to the story.

Again, I am sorry, but you do bring your loyalty into question when you are quick to condemn Hindus and point out flaws in Hinduism, and turn a blind eye to all the evils of Christianity and Islam, and the hatred they have. Like I said, Hindus are trying their best to make a gesture of friendship to the Christians and Muslims. It is Christians and Muslims which are not reciprocating.

In fact, recently when I went to Glanstonbury with a friend I attended a sufi group. Supposedly the most spititual sects of Islam. We were told, "God’s true name is Allah, and he is the almighty and supreme creator. They took the piss out of Vedanta teachings that [B]god and us are one[/B].[/QUOTE]

Prepare to be bombarded with invectives from xenophobic and misanthropic Christians! :smiley:


#97

OK, both of you, listen to me. I have no idea why this is all aimed at me. This is what I responded to: Nietzsche wrote :

Quote:
The truth is that I already knew all of this and, therefore, can’t deny it. These are the very reasons I came to hate Christianity and Islam (and the idiot sheep brains that subscribe to it).

And the part I was referring to was the idiot sheep brains part. Well, you can read my response as I don’t feel like repeating it.

And suddenly SD writes:

Well, why were you quick to condemn N and indirectly me then, if all we are doing is reacting with outage to a Christian MP calling a Hindu guru in his own country, “A bloody Indian and dog” I even gave a link to the story
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And I don’t know how I got in this mess of a discussion! I did not condemn anyone for any outrage of any video. Read the posts.

Now, I did just read the story and watched the video, which I could not understand at all, but I did get the drift. And I agree it is not right what happened. But whether it is one person or 100, you cannot hate an entire race or religion for what those few do.

I do think you both owe me an apology.


#98

Lotusgirl, you must be perfect. Because it is never your fault. It is us who always have to apologise. Recently, you PM’ed me saying I had changed. I said, that I am still the same person, but now you have seen that I am objective person and will turn on my own, if I disagree. I have never seen you turn on your own.

And I agree it is not right what happened. But whether it is one person or 100, you cannot hate an entire race or religion for what those few do

So you are basically apologising for what has been done, and would like to brush it under the carpet already. And yet I distinctly remember how much you posted anti-India hate material in the past, on dowry abuse, caste system, untouchables and how much you congratuated anti-Hindu Indian posters.

Lotusgirl, you must think this forum is stupid. Your allegiances are clear. Not only do you not want to brush all the atrocities Christianity and Islam has done and the hatred it has produced, and that are still ongoing, but you don’t even want to reform them so this stops.

I am disappopinted to say the least.


#99

[QUOTE=lotusgirl;53106]OK, both of you, listen to me. I have no idea why this is all aimed at me. This is what I responded to: Nietzsche wrote :

And the part I was referring to was the idiot sheep brains part. Well, you can read my response as I don’t feel like repeating it.

And suddenly SD writes:
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And I don’t know how I got in this mess of a discussion! I did not condemn anyone for any outrage of any video. Read the posts.

Now, I did just read the story and watched the video, which I could not understand at all, but I did get the drift. And I agree it is not right what happened. But whether it is one person or 100, you cannot hate an entire race or religion for what those few do.

I do think you both owe me an apology.[/QUOTE]

I will apologize when Christians and Muslims atone for all the damage they have done for approximately two millennia.

You don’t get it do you? Christianity and Islam are inherently intolerant and supremacist religions. It is in their doctrines. What do you call the followers of Christianity and Islam? Christians and Muslims, respectively. Therefore, Christians and Muslims, to varying degrees, are intolerant. You could cite “liberal” Christians and Muslims who are indeed very tolerant and open-minded. However, the semantics issue on whether these people can be considered Christians and Muslims by authoritative figures comes into play. I, and most central authorities would agree, would consider the liberals to not be Christians/Muslims.

This is simply logic here, lotusgirl. When some ignorant American comes up to me and says “Indians smell like shit,” I am forced to somewhat agree with this stereotype at [B]face value[/B]. Why? Because we eat curry. What does curry have? Spices, which, when eaten on a daily basis, can cause your body to produce unpleasant odors.

When some ignorant American comes up to me and says “A lot of Indians are so freaking smart,” I am forced to somewhat agree with this statement? Why? Because

1). A strong work ethic is inherent in our culture
2). Our parents are from a developing country and therefore, know the value of a good work ethic and an education. They hammer this down their children’s throats and give most other parents a run for their money.

Now there are stupid and ignorant Indians out there, just as there are stupid and ignorant people within every race. This is a fact of life. But notice that they did use the phrase “a lot,” which, in itself, is a reference to most Indians within America.

The point is that some generalizations are fairly accurate and, sometimes, correct. This is especially the case with the inflexible and highly structured religions like Islam and Christianity. Generalizations, in this case, are not false, but rather true. All Christians worship Jesus. Check. All Muslims worship Allah. Check. All Christians believe you can be saved if you worship Jesus. Check. All Christians/Muslims believe their religion is the only true religion. Check.

However, generalizations don’t work for religions like Hinduism. This is because of a lack of central authority (perhaps the most important consideration), single interpretation, and so forth.

These are all simple facts that politically correct people find hard to grasp.


#100

No, SD, I know for certain I am not perfect. I have and will continue to apologize for things I do that warrant it.

And I too will turn on my own if I disagree. I can agree with 100% of what you say and you have every right to say it. What I have tried to make you and N both understand is your delivery! I have agreed with many things you have stated. As far as the caste and dowry thing, I think what I was trying to get you to understand back then is that there is violence in every religion/culture. Hinduism/India is no different. And I have stated over and over again there has been much less violence in Hindu/Indian history than others. Please don’t skirt over this last sentence.

And as far as me sweeping it under the table, what would my outrage do? I expressed sadness in what happened, event though I didn’t understand a word of it. Don’t look for the bad SD. You read too much into things.

Again, I am not your enemy. Most of us do understand. I am sorry that we do not see how to go about change the same way. But we each have to follow our own path.

And we should probably move on.