Is Yoga Hinduism?


#1361

[QUOTE=FlexPenguin;63485]You are correct. I am a decrepit, stupid, fat, and ignorant white man. I am nowhere on the path to spirituality and never will be, as long as I remain a Westerner. My death will be a blessing to humanity since it equates to one less Neo-Nazi in this world. If you will excuse me, I must atone for all the harm I have caused to those people my fellow whites and I consider apes (African Americans).
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Glad to see that you are repenting.

Can I suggest that you also quit posting on Stormfront?


#1362

I must atone for all the harm I have caused to those people my fellow whites and I consider apes (African Americans).

Don’t worry, Flex. We Indian gals like both vanilla [I]and[/I] chocolate.

:wink:

You play master, I play slave? Or vice versa? I do like to administer spankings…


#1363

Yoga is beyond religion !!

Ashwin


#1364

Nietzsche,

“Cultural and religious practices belong to/originate in different cultural groups.”

There is nothing cultural or “religious” about the fact that if you control your breath in a particular way, you can control the life energies which are flowing through your system. It is simply a scientific discovery. Where it originates from does not matter. But this discovery does not mean that suddenly Hindus have copyright over your lungs and your life energies, nor the methods which may use them.

“Yoga is Hindu/Indian/Dharmic, Shinto is Japanese, The Haka is Maori, and so on”

You should not put them in the same category. Shinto is a belief system, and Haka is a form of dance which is a question of artistic preferences. Neither of these things have anything to do with something which is a scientific phenomenon.

"Which are Indic in origin. "

Even the scriptures of the Vedas and various yogic texts themselves will not agree with this. They have declared their scriptures as being revelations from God. Although I do not agree - in the sense of it being a revelation from a Supreme Being, many of the things which have been written in the scriptures are certainly revelations which have arisen out of one’s own insight into oneself. And what they mean when they have said that these are “revelations” is simply that these insights are not philosophical, psychological, or social - they are existential. They have to do with existence itself, just as science has to do with existence itself. That is what it means in yoga when it has been said that yoga originates from “Hiranyagarbha”. Hiranyagarbha means the “golden egg”, and the golden egg is simply symbolic for the source of existence itself. That yoga comes from Hiranyagarbha can be interpreted in a million different ways, but it comes to the same, it is something which has been discovered by coming into contact with a reality which is much more essential than the limitations of your own mind and body.

“Yoga is Hindu/Indic/Dharmic in origin”

If you mean it in the sense that the science was discovered by Hindus, then yes. If you mean it in the sense that the science is itself Hindu, then no. Because, again, when we refer to yoga - were are not talking about a religion or a belief system, but a technology for the expansion of consciousness. Sitting in a lotus posture is not a Hindu posture, and even if you are not a Hindu, the posture will have the same effects on the body. You can enter into samadhi, and whether you are a Hindu or not, your samadhi does not care what belief system you are clinging to - just like the air does not care whether a Christian or a Muslim breathes the air.


#1365

Nietzsche,

"Quantum Physics is not American but Rationalism and the Scientific Method are indeed Western. "

That is not true either. In the East, both what is called the “scientific method” as well as rationalism have existed centuries before they have been re-discovered in the West.


#1366

Sahasrara,

"Here is the clue:

In all your posts, replace the word “Hindu” by the native word “Sanathana Dharma” and read them. If you still have some doubts, read them again and read them loud enough that you really spend some time to think and read. "

Yes, that is much more revealing. But the “Sanathana Dharma”, this “eternal law” is - will vary according to your own interpretation. For most Brahmins, “Sanathana Dharma” demands the existence of God. The Buddhists will not agree. The Jains will not agree. And both the Buddhists and the Jains have been speaking about “Dharma” according to their own interpretations, just as the Brahmins have been speaking of the “Dharma” according to their own interpretations. If one even takes the term “Sanathana Dharma” seriously, then one will know that the “eternal law” is not something that belongs to time or place. It is my own understanding that it is not even a matter of interpretation - this is a dimension that is to be experienced, not talked about.


#1367

[QUOTE=Nietzsche;63493]Where’s my tooth brush? Anyone see my tooth brush?[/QUOTE]
:rolleyes:


#1368

[QUOTE=GORI YOGINI;63514]Don’t worry, Flex. We Indian gals like both vanilla [I]and[/I] chocolate.

:wink:

You play master, I play slave? Or vice versa? I do like to administer spankings…[/QUOTE]

Mmmmm…spankings :smiley:

So, you’re a multi- flavored girl? I’m not vanilla, though. I’m kind of coffee mocha.


#1369

Well Amir your posts gives an impression of your mentality that you neither understand yoga considering it just as a technological science and neither do you understand the meaning of the word religion and its formation. Its life irony when a being gets something free of cost inspite of assimilating it in its true form they try to manipulate it to suit their subtle ego. When people accepts a part of truth and shuns the other part its more dangerous than a plain lie. Either don’t believe in anything till you reach a proper conclusion or accept every part of it analyse it and the conclusion comes forth without any fuss. Its the main reason why so many saints and spiritual giants were born in india as they took whole part of it. And it has to do everything with religion which is the way of thought and way of living which finally lead to self. Yoga, mantra sadhana, bhakti devotion to god and other branches are the veins of the religion of hinduism which built it and on which it stands. And when someone practice yoga he or she is using its knowledge and thought and not a dead technique but practicing a religion and religion is something which shows a right way. Well before science showed the benefit of yoga people laughed at the way indian people practiced religion and the talk of various superhuman powers that would result from it but as it went to the world it went just as a set of physical science devoid of its essense of hindu religion and its still the case in most part of the world. They are just superficially connected to it. And it would be until they understand the essense of hinduism till then it will be just a technique devoid of its life. Well when buddhist accepted it they didn’t devoid it of its originality the essens remained the same but the nomenclature of the final stop changed and they called it shunya though shunya and full(purnata) are two sides of the same coin. Well truth isn’t the sole property of any religion everybody has free will and choices but to manipulate facts and logic to suit own purpose and ego leads nowhere but confusion. Is yoga hinduism? Is not a question that is hinduism sole proprietes of truth but rather is the religion of hinduism stands on the pillar of yoga(a branch of veda) and the answer is yes. Yoga leads to truth as other religion of the world try the same but in a different way and people have no problem calling their way a religion but yoga doing the same hindu religion people have problem accepting it. It shows their crooked and unbalanced mentality;give it a thought and you will understand what i m saying. It doesn’t mean that if something leads you to the truth it can’t be a religion and if this logic is correct it would mean there is no religion in the world as all try to reach the truth. And its illogical for Mr. Amir to think that yoga is a scientific technique and hence can’t be a religion, it just shows biased mentality amongst various religion. Everythiing is scientific in its own way and i fear if science shows scientific basis in every religion(well chances are nil for a material science to transcend spiritual science to an extend) then for you religion would be a fictional subject anyhow. Truth knows no boundary but religion which shows right path has some building blocks in it which in turn shapes humanity in its own way at different places and for someone to remove the building blocks is as if trying to shake its very foundation.


#1370

[QUOTE=GORI YOGINI;63514]Don’t worry, Flex. We Indian gals like both vanilla [I]and[/I] chocolate.

:wink:

You play master, I play slave? Or vice versa? I do like to administer spankings…[/QUOTE]

WTF?

(aside)

Why on earth anyone would converse with the buddha I have no clue. I identified his slippery snakey nihlisitc ways 950 posts ago.

WHY BOTHER?


#1371

[QUOTE=GORI YOGINI;63514]Don’t worry, Flex. We Indian gals like both vanilla [I]and[/I] chocolate.

:wink:

You play master, I play slave? Or vice versa? I do like to administer spankings…[/QUOTE]

Lol, Gori Kamini, you can end this charade now. We all know you are a white nationalist Stormfront member, not an Indian.

And what the [B]hell[/B] is this? Please take your lack of sexual control to some other site (preferably Stormfront).


#1372

[QUOTE=AmirMourad;63519]blah blah blah blah endless semantics [/QUOTE]

No, you still don’t get it.

Yoga is Hindu/Dharmic/Indic in religious and cultural origins.

Your illogical (VERY illogical, I might add) and misinformed posts will not change that. I will leave you to bask in your ignorance.


#1373

[QUOTE=FlexPenguin;63536]To atone for my past behavior, I shall begin to post the racist things I’ve said throughout my life. Here’s one:

“Aggressiveness, lack of impulse control, lack of emotional control, lack of reasoning skills, irrationality, infantile communication skills, disregard for authority, intolerance, racism… these are just some of the typical traits of common Negro behaviour.”

[/QUOTE]

Good, please continue. Repentance is the best way to reduce the Karmic backlash you otherwise would have faced.


#1374

[QUOTE=The Scales;63544]WTF?

(aside)

Why on earth anyone would converse with the buddha I have no clue. I identified his slippery snakey nihlisitc ways 950 posts ago.

WHY BOTHER?

[/QUOTE]

Are you referring to Amir? If so, clap clap clap

Here’s a treat for you. No, its not a Rick Roll.

Here’s another one. Its not a Rick Roll but a video of a guy who tests out cool guns.


#1375

[QUOTE=Nietzsche;63562]Good, please continue. Repentance is the best way to reduce the Karmic backlash you otherwise would have faced.[/QUOTE]

[I]Quote:
Originally Posted by FlexPenguin
To atone for my past behavior, I shall begin to post the racist things I’ve said throughout my life. Here’s one:

“Aggressiveness, lack of impulse control, lack of emotional control, lack of reasoning skills, irrationality, infantile communication skills, disregard for authority, intolerance, racism… these are just some of the typical traits of common Negro behaviour.”[/I]

[B]Listen boy. I don’t mind or care when you try to make fun of my posts. But, on two occasions you have used this opportunity to write abhorrent racial posts regarding black people and attribute them to me. I believe you feel that by doing this, you can post what you really feel and get away with it.

I’m not sure if the administrator has paid any attention to your posts, and I wouldn’t blame him if he didn’t, but I would prefer if you would return to aiming your barbs at me, and not share your views regarding minorities in this public place.[/B]



#1376

[QUOTE=FlexPenguin;63579][I]Quote:
Originally Posted by FlexPenguin
To atone for my past behavior, I shall begin to post the racist things I’ve said throughout my life. Here’s one:

“Aggressiveness, lack of impulse control, lack of emotional control, lack of reasoning skills, irrationality, infantile communication skills, disregard for authority, intolerance, racism… these are just some of the typical traits of common Negro behaviour.”[/I]

[B]Listen boy. I don’t mind or care when you try to make fun of my posts. But, on two occasions you have used this opportunity to write abhorrent racial posts regarding black people and attribute them to me. I believe you feel that by doing this, you can post what you really feel and get away with it.

I’m not sure if the administrator has paid any attention to your posts, and I wouldn’t blame him if he didn’t, but I would prefer if you would return to aiming your barbs at me, and not share your views regarding minorities in this public place.[/B]
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Lol, that was copy-pasted from Stormfront, a white nationalist/supremacist, Neo-Nazi website. I think the views of the people there would nicely fit in with yours (Hell, I wouldn’t be surprised if you had an account there) and those of Gori Kamini’s (and I KNOW she’s from that wretched place).

On the same note, why don’t we talk about your abhorrent racial posts about Indians and other cultural groups? I’m not sure if David has paid any attention to those, and I wouldn’t blame him if he didn’t…

Face the facts: without western civilization and Christianity, India and the vast cultures if the world would still be wrangling on or near the stone age; living, fighting and dying under primitive tribalism.

This is a good start Surya. I’ll contact A R Rahman so he can compose an upbeat score. You and Friedrich practice your dance routines (who’s the stright guy?). Leave everything to me and I’ll have you guys prancing down the red carpet come Oscar season.

May have to change the old testament theme thing a bit. Violence is good, but can you find some sexy bits? Just try to resist casting any girls under 16. I’ve read about old Hindu men’s preference for marrying the young ones. Won’t go over well out here. Round up some lower caste filthy untouchable bastards to haul the equipment around on the cheap, and we’re set.

Are child brides still condemned by Hindu law to be outcasts because they are widows? That’s not very yogic.

Here’s the synopsis:
The Hero: Surya Deva, he’s a rich boy, a spoiled brat. His mother has died and his mean father has remarried a Chritian woman. Surya often sees his mother in his dreams where she begs him to find a nice girl and settle down. When we first meet our hero he’s surrounded by scantily clad girls prancing around him in their vast garden, while white and lilac petals fall from the sky. They sing:
Surya
Surya
Surya Deva
Āpa kē li’ē hamārā pyāra pīlē bukhāra kī taraha jalatā hai.
(Our love for you
Burns like yellow fever!)

Our hero has charms to distract the girls while dancing - singing of his dream girl.
She comes to me
Like biscuit from the cupboard
So dry at first
But dunked in milk
So white to see

The Heroine: Fraulein Freidrich (funny name for a hindu girl, but we can make it work). She is the epitome of today’s generation. Fraulein Freidrich is poor outcast from a small village, but her jewelry is designed by Tanishq. Our heroine is having a bath in the local canal when our hero sees her. Their eyes meet, heartbeats stop, music happens, everyone around them begins the choreographed dancing rountine, the camera pans a wide panoramic shot of the scene, and love is in the air!

Fraulein Freidrich sings the main theme tune:
Surya
Surya
Surya Deva
My love for you
Lifts me up like a lever!

The Villain: (TBA) Surya’s father and his Christian wife, always spying on them from behind the doors or the trees. They sing as well:
Surya
Surya
Surya Deva
If you marry her
We will carve you with a cleaver!

Meanwhile, one lonely night our hero is alone, looking out into the Ganges, when his ghostly mother appears to him:
Surya
Surya
Surya Deva
Fraulein Freidrich is too brown
Why don’t you leave her?

SD:
Mām̐, maiṁ apanā dūdha liyā hai,
lēkina ēka chōṭī sī mēka’apa
Fraulein Freidrich pārita kara sakatē haiṁ wih.
(Mother, I’ve had your milk, but wih a little makeup Fraulein Freidrich can pass.)

This goes on for a couple of hours, then our villains kidnap Fraulein Freidrich and take her to a palace that has a pool filled with pink acid. Much singing and dancing there. But, our hero’s best friend urges Surya Deva to rescue the Fraulein.
Surya
Surya
Surya Deva
If you let this happen
You will surely bereave her!

So, off they prance - the scantliy clad girls in tow - to rescue the Fraulein Freidrich from the clutches of the evil father and Christian stepmother. When the arrive, a great fight ensues with a cast of thousands. Carefully choreographed, the villains and heroes battle for another hour or so. Finally, Surya Deva rescues his Fraulein Freidrich, but as they sing to each other, they realize they cannot remain on Earth together, so they decide to jump into the pool of pink acid. As they sink, to their knees, then their waist, then their shoulders, the camera zooms into a close up and our lovers kiss passionately. The fighting stops and sun is blacked out by a swarm of parrots, their droppings falling on the villains.

But wait! It’s not over! Our lovers emerge in heaven, hand in hand (the scantily clad girls are there to meet them) and they are shown to a table full of great food by our hero’s mother. At the table are many guests, including Siva, Jesus, Allah, and the prophet MHd (have to careful there. Don’t want to make the same mistake as the Danes). Everyone is happy to see them, and the final song echoes with Rahman’s signature beat, while white and lilac petals fall from the sky.
Surya
Surya
Surya Deva
Now you have the chance
To show her your pecker!

(note: the preceding is a parody. Any resemblance to any person or culture, living or dead, is purely coincidental. Your humble narrator’s personal views are not in any way reflected here)

“I agree with you. India is a very backward and unenlightened society that subjugates her women and restricts their rights as given to men. Hopefully the new media will awaken and enlighten the people and they will demand freedom from male-dominated, antiquated doctrine. Fingers crossed.”

"Total and utter dribble. India was very proficient at abusing her citizens long before Hannibal came traipsing over the horizon. In fact, I would venture to bet that India taught the West all they know about citizen abuse (and I know you know what I’m talking about).


#1377

Flex, say it isn’t so. You post anti-negro jargon on WN sites? Are you one of those guys who will never date a woman who’s dated a Black dude? So sad. I was beginning to crush on you, but like I said, I like my chocolate as well as vanilla. And I mean DARK chocolate. LOL.

But my parents would agree with you. You haven’t seen real racism til you’ve been to India or raised in an Indian household and tried to bring home an African American boyfriend (forget about taking him on a trip to India, that’s out of the question)

Ovey!

Anyway, holla atcha gal.


#1378

[QUOTE=Nietzsche;63585]Lol, that was copy-pasted from Stormfront, a white nationalist/supremacist, Neo-Nazi website. I think the views of the people there would nicely fit in with yours (Hell, I wouldn’t be surprised if you had an account there) and those of Gori Kamini’s (and I KNOW she’s from that wretched place).

On the same note, why don’t we talk about your abhorrent racial posts about Indians and other cultural groups? I’m not sure if David has paid any attention to those, and I wouldn’t blame him if he didn’t…[/QUOTE]

When things like that are said about blacks and Jews it is more sensitive, but people tend to ignore it when such comments are made about Indians. People have very little knowledge of what Hindus have faced from colonialism, invasions, government opression and terrorism. http://www.hinduholocaust.com/HinduHolocaustMuseum.htm


#1379

When things like that are said about blacks and Jews it is more sensitive, but people tend to ignore it when such comments are made about Indians.

That’s because blacks and jews are softies when compared to us Indians who are always calling each other horrible names based on all kinds of stupid sh*t like the color of our skin (kallu), our weight (motu), our sexual activity (randi) or lack thereof (bhein chode), what to speak of how many of us Indians treat our hired domestic help or how we treat Africans who come to India (read about the African American cheerleaders who came to India to cheer for a cricket match or the African students in Delhi who returned to Africa because of abuse), or how Indians treat other Indians from the Northeastern States (chinku) or how Indians treat white, black and any non-Indian people anywhere in the world!

Indians are tough. We can take what we dish out.

More sensitive people they have to take care about, but Indians - we know how to take care of ourselves and do whatever it takes to get ahead.

We will stop at nothing.


#1380

[QUOTE=GORI YOGINI;63603]I’m a traumatized and retarded white woman.[/QUOTE]

Yawn. Obvious troll is obvious.