LOL, LOL, LOL. coming from you, this is really funny! This is your favorite trick, to project on others your own weakness and inadequacies.
It is clear to see who is jealous and insecure here. You’ve hated me from the very start when I joined the forum, because you were here on this forum first portraying yourself as the resident scholar of the Samkhya-Yoga, but as soon as I joined the forum and many people started to regard me as the scholar and compliment me for my knowledge, you turned sour against me. You have consistently jumped into nearly every thread I’ve started to attack me and undermine whatever I have said. It is clear you are suffering from a jealousy complex, hide it as much as you want
PS. By the way there is room on this forum for two scholars of Samkhya-Yoga However, you do not actually represent Samhya-Yoga philosophy, but some distorted Christian version of it, as unrecognizable from it, as Christian Yoga is from Yoga! Hence, you are not really a scholar of Samkhya-Yoga. You should be honest with readers on this forum that understanding of Samkhya philosophy is not the official view of the school, but only peculiar to you. Rather than pretend that your views are official and mislead readers on this forum.
I on the other hand am not misleading the readers, because I have studied Samkhya philosophy academically and have done my dissertation in Samkhya. I also directly cite from the primary texts of the school and the readers can easily verify everything I say is true by cross-referencing. I represent the actual official views.
The real reason you are jealous is because you know are not qualified on the subject of Samkhya-Yoga and I am. Yet your ego simply cannot admit it, so you undermine me every chance you get to feel better about yourself, like an ugly girl at school does with the pretty girl lol
Correction, your favorite trick is indulging in personal attacks, lies, and bigotry whenever you have been challenged. This exposes your path as not the highest, or even elevated, but simply an exercise in egotism.
I challenge you to produce this “dissertation”, name your school and the degree you received. Then we shall see who is misleading whom.
And who appointed you as the official representative?
It’s a difficult job, but somebody has to do it. I feel it is my duty not to let error proliferate. How do you like it now that your method has been turned against you?
Asuri you are a troll. I have nothing more to say to you. You can seethe with jealousy like the ugly girl that you are behaving like right now as much as you want. You are no longer contributing anything of relevance to any discussion.
I do not have to boast of my credentials; my credentials speak for themselves in the knowledge I share on this forum. No, I will not be revealing my school, for the same reason i will not be revealing my address, real name, bank details, because this information can be used to identify me and I have a strict policy of not sharing any such information online(a wise thing to do) I have no need to lie about having a degree in Philosophy(first class/distinction) and doing my dissertation in Samkhya-Yoga philosophy. If I was going to lie, I could have said I have a Phd in Samkhya-Yoga (Although, in the next few years I intend to do my Phd in a related area)
By showing such blatant disrespect for my achievements you clearly show just how jealous you are of me. You really do have a serious case of ugly girl syndrome.
Believe me, pal, there is no jealousy. I happen to think you’re a complete idiot, so there’s nothing to be jealous of. But that is purely my own personal opinion and others can judge for themselves.
[QUOTE=Asuri;72598]Believe me, pal, there is no jealousy. I happen to think you’re a complete idiot, so there’s nothing to be jealous of. But that is purely my own personal opinion and others can judge for themselves.[/QUOTE]
Your actions speak louder than your words. It is clear you suffer from extreme jealousy of me.
In any case I do not consider you even mildly a threat or an intellectual equal.
Would you post your dissertation so we can read it?
Getting a master’s degree in the humanities is not a big deal, the quality of the education in this department has been declining steadily. Getting a good grade for a dissertation on a subject your professor doesn’t know anything about, doesn’t say much either. Unless you can say that your guiding professor was a renowned expert in the field of Indian philosophy, you are merely bragging about something that’s not worth bragging about.
Generally, it is considered disrespectful to undermine somebodies achievements and when somebody feels the need to do that it is because they are spiteful. We can easily turn the table around and you can tell me about your grades at school, GPA scores, your degree, masters or PHD, and if I respond by undermining your achievement, it is easily to see what a horrible person I am.
I honestly believe at this point you and Asuri are being horrible. I understand you have issues with me personally, but now you are simply being horrible. It is clear you are not the best of yogis, isn’t it and Sarva, being Hindu has made you no better of a person than a Christian
By the way my degree was in the top 5% of the population of that year. If it was that easy to achieve, then 95% of people would also be getting it. What my degree shows is that I am qualified in the area of my degree: Philosophy. I am entitled to show my qualifications in an area I am qualified in. Now, when somebody who is not qualified(Asuri) enters my threads and undermines my knowledge(who is qualified) I have to state my credentials to establish the playing field. Asuri is not my intellectual equal in the area of Samkhya-Yoga/philosophy. I have demonstrated that several times by exposing his ignorance of the basics of this philosophy.
By the way Sarva this was posted by you in my visitors profile section a few months ago:
Sarvamaṅgalamaṅgalā
You are doing great work here, Surya! Very admirable.
How quickly and dramatically you change your opinions and views, over philosophical-religious disagreements. God save us from friends like you
[QUOTE=Surya Deva;72610]By the way Sarva this was posted by you in my visitors profile section a few months ago:
How quickly and dramatically you change your opinions and views, simply over disagreements. God save us from friends like you ;)[/QUOTE]
I didn’t actually read your posts in the past, because they were too longwinded, but you pretended to defend Hinduism. Now it is clear though that you are merely giving Hinduism a bad name with your nonsense.
[QUOTE=Sarvamaṅgalamaṅgalā;72611]I didn’t actually read your posts in the past, because they were too longwinded, but you pretended to defend Hinduism. Now it is clear though that you are merely giving Hinduism a bad name with your nonsense.[/QUOTE]
Hence, why I say god save us from friends like you. You did not read my posts, but you still made it a point to praise the work I was doing on this forum, simply because I was Hindu and defending your religion and ideology. Just a few weeks ago, Asuri was your enemy, and you called him ignorant and advised me not to talk about these matters with him because he was not my equal. Now, that I have become your enemy, he is your best friend on the forum and you are jumping into endorse him in every thread. Again, god save us from friends like you
It is obvious to me Hinduism has not made you any better of a person than a high school bully
People like you do not know what friendship is - or even what humanity is.
I do not post out of friendship on this forum, I have not called anyone my friend, but indeed I did make the mistake of giving you undeserved praise in the past. I also don’t take this forum as serious as you do.
This is why I say people like you can never be anybodies friend. If who you call a friend is based on whether they belong to your group or not or agree with your ideology, then you will never have any lasting friends.
You consider yourself a deeply religious Hindu, but you have not developed any of the qualities that your religion preaches: the noble qualities of an Aryan. This is why I said to you recently reading fairytale stories of gods and demons and performing rituals feeding milk to statues of elephants and monkey gods has not made a single difference to cultivating your character and mind. Hence, why I say your Hinduism is worthless. No matter how many mythological stories you read, how many temples you go to pilgrimage on, how many times you ring the bells and light the oil lap at the altar of your god, it will make no difference to cultivating you character and mind and awakening your divine nature - your humanity.
This is why the Jnana path is needed. You have missed the point of Hinduism so far and it shows in your character.
[QUOTE=Surya Deva;72615]This is why I say people like you can never be anybodies friend. If who you call a friend is based on whether they belong to your group or not or agree with your ideology, then you will never have any lasting friends.[/QUOTE]
I have atheist, agnostic and muslim friends, you are making a lot of assumptions about me. I could care less what someone’s personal belief is, they could belief in the flying spaggetti monster for what I care. Your assumptions about me are wrong. Someone who I would never consider a friend is a wolf in sheep’s clothing, someone who pretends to be a follower of Sanatana Dharma while simultaniously being condescending about every aspect of it.
I am a follower of Sanatana dharma, not Hinduism.
Bringing this thread back on track.
I was reading a series of articles by Swami Vivekananda on living practical Vedanta which were enlightening. I will share them with the readers:
http://www.ramakrishnavivekananda.info/vivekananda/volume_2/vol_2_frame.htm
The more I read Vivekananda, the more I resonate with him. He appears to be the kind of Hindu that I can admire and emulate. He does not suffer from any of the nationalist and secetarian nonsense that many Hindus are suffering from today. He embraces all religions, people and talks the language of science and humanity.
Some excerpts relevant to this discussion:
We can do everything. The Vedanta teaches men to have faith in themselves first. As certain religions of the world say that a man who does not believe in a Personal God outside of himself is an atheist, so the Vedanta says, a man who does not believe in himself is an atheist. Not believing in the glory of our own soul is what the Vedanta calls atheism.
The ideal of faith in ourselves is of the greatest help to us. If faith in ourselves had been more extensively taught and practiced, I am sure a very large portion of the evils and miseries that we have would have vanished. Throughout the history of mankind, if any motive power has been more potent than another in the lives of all great men and women, it is that of faith in themselves. Born with the consciousness that they were to be great, they became great. Let a man go down as low as possible; there must come a time when out of sheer desperation he will take an upward curve and will learn to have faith in himself.
How to practice Vedanta:
This ?tman is first to be heard of." Hear day and night that you are that Soul. Repeat it to yourselves day and night till it enters into your very veins, till it tingles in every drop of blood, till it is in your flesh and bone. Let the whole body be full of that one ideal, “I am the birthless, the deathless, the blissful, the omniscient, the omnipotent, ever-glorious Soul.” Think on it day and night; think on it till it becomes part and parcel of your life. Meditate upon it, and out of that will come work. “Out of the fullness of the heart the mouth speaketh,” and out of the fullness of the heart the hand worketh also. Action will come. Fill yourselves with the ideal; whatever you do, think well on it. All your actions will be magnified, transformed, deified, by the very power of the thought. If matter is powerful, thought is omnipotent. Bring this thought to bear upon your life, fill yourselves with the thought of your almightiness, your majesty, and your glory.
Swami Vivekananda on ritual, god and worship:
You remember that the Vedas have two parts, the ceremonial and the knowledge portions. In time ceremonials had multiplied and become so intricate that it was almost hopeless to disentangle them, and so in the Upanishads we find that the ceremonials are almost done away with, but gently, by explaining them. We see that in old times they had these oblations and sacrifices, then the philosophers came, and instead of snatching away the symbols from the hands of the ignorant, instead of taking the negative position, which we unfortunately find so general in modern reforms, they gave them something to take their place. “Here is the symbol of fire,” they said. "Very good! But here is another symbol, the earth. What a grand, great symbol! Here is this little temple, but the whole universe is a temple; a man can worship anywhere. There are the peculiar figures that men draw on the earth, and there are the altars, but here is the greatest of altars, the living, conscious human body, and to worship at this altar is far higher than the worship of any dead symbols."
Why worship trees, stones, monkeys and elephants, when the greatest worship is of that living spirit within the conscious human being? Why engage in elaborate ritual and ceremony, ringing bells, lighting incense, chanting mantras, preparing and cooking food to feed to statues - when one can simply abide in the glory of their own self, sit in silence with their own mind and watch themselves. This is the realization that had been reached by the sages in India, they realized that it was not ritual, worship or ceremony that would cultivate the mind and awaken ones divine nature, but knowledge: Hence the Jnana marga.
Jnana is thus the acme of Hinduism, the highest realization of what Hinduism is. It goes beyond ritual, mythology, sectarianism. Thus one can see how the Puranic Hiindism that came later is a degeneration, a fall from those lofty height the sages had reached. It is this kind of Hinduism which I have renounced.