Kriya Yoga in "Autobiography of a Yogi"

Yoganada’s Kriya Yoga can only be legitimately learned through initiation into SRF, ananda Sanga or sister organizations. You will be taught the basic Kriyas initially, and then when the guru feels you are progressing, you will be taught the more advanced Kriyas. To be initiated you must be initiated by the guru directly and also must pay your due in the the form of 5 fruits, flowers, incense and a monetary payment ranging from $100-300.

The Kriya Yoga techniques are almost identical to the Bihar School of Yoga Tantra yoga. So another way of learning Kriya Yoga is to just learn the techniques from BSY either through their books, dvd’s or directly in their ashram. Initiation is not required.

The Kriya Yoga techniques can also be learned illegitimately through books written by ex Kriya-bans who did not agree with the secrecy e.g., Ennino Nimis.

Yes nerve endings fireing.:slight_smile:
Their should be no signs of blacking out/dizzyness oxygen hunger etc. These things are not a part of it. But yes juniper that is decarbonization.
Ironically this method of breathing has been known by more than one name.
Though remember the breathing itself is just another tool. Not the goal.

I am interested I’m Hanna look up the ex kriya name.

The tingling literally comes from decarbonization. For carbon dioxide, is what controls breathing. Not oxygen. Because you are getting rid of carbon dioxide faster than it accumulates. It causes hemoglobin and o2 to bond tighter. Thus the whole body vibrates.
despite peoples claims that this practise is “bad” I have never passed out nor experianced dizzyness or oxygen hunger. Just remember their is a fine line in everything. This practise has an opposite. Know what side your on.

Yes, everything has a fine line. What is the( negative) opposite side of this practice? In the beginning, when I was new to this practice I did experience dizziness one time. So I stopped the pranayam and everything must have stabilized because the dizziness went away. Dizziness has not reoccurred. A sense of well-being and tranquility is what I normally experience after decarbonization.

If i used western terms. it would simply cause confusion. but simply enough.

One decarbonizes. The other increases carbon dioxide.

Carbon dioxide is like a ship that is taking on water. breathing is the man on the boat throwing water back into the ocean. when the man throws more water out, than is building up. decarbonization happens.

I simply breath in and out. i do not use any popular method.
oxygen hunger as commonly experianced after running. is the feeling that you need to breath in more. yet is caused by carbon dioxide.
"So i would suggest not letting your exhale become shorter than your inspiration. Besides that, the most important tip. is consistent and rhythmical. CONSISTENT AND RHYTHMICAL. Big letters. I emphasize. For carbon dioxide is always building. your aim is to get rid of it faster than it builds.
this does not. does not does not does not. does not require quick breathing. If you breath at a normal resting rate, and simply eliminate the pause between breaths. it works :slight_smile:
pause is never forced, but will happen when you stop doing the practise. you will be breathless for a time.
I am no master. This is simply a technique i know, and is literally and scientifically decarbonization of the body.

NOW. the part i havnt figured out. is how the taoists would say.
to crystallize the spirit. I have a hunch. But am still working on re figuring this all out. so once i know then i will know and belief will not be needed. let ya know when i know. :slight_smile:

Thanks Avatar! the description you have given on how one uses pranayam to decarbonize is the method I have been using to accomplish this. I don’t know about crystallizing the spirit, but I am expecting with the long term practice of decarbonizing one becomes purified
through and through.

Decarbonization of the blood helps purify the body and tissues. Perhaps the technique of pranayam purifies more than the physical body. I keep the breath consistent and rhythmical meaning I keep my inspiration and exhalation at an even pace— no short rapid breaths. If you discover how to crystallize the spirit please share the technique with me!

[B]“or they don’t give you the full cigar”[/B]
Yep. Why do you think that is?

[B]“When Yogananda was about to depart for America Sri Yukteswarji told him to teach the Kriya Yoga of Patanjali. Kriya yoga is the complete spiritual path which consists of tapas (discipline), swadyaya (Self-study), and Ishwara-pranidana (oneness with God). The technique to assist one in achieving thoughtless awareness in meditation (kriya pranayama) is only one small component in the process. Over concern regarding the form of practice can lead to a more “materialistic” approach to awakening. It is the “after effects tranquility” in meditation practice that is transformative, according to Lahiri Mahasaya[/B]”

Of course it is. The exercises impart a level of mental tranquility combined with equipose and dare I say it - awareness. In this state of mind when one sits down to do it - it is much easier to do and the results are tangible.

Asana alone, breathing exercises alone are not transformative. They by themselves are about as usefull as a toothpick in destroying a mountain.

Pranayama means “energy control”. With much in the Holy Science there are apparent meanings, implied, and hidden meanings, and out right tricks and traps.

All is transformative. Change is the word of transformation. Yet u can’t freeze something and expect fire. Adana. Pranayama. Are transformative on their own, but they may not get u what u seek on their own.

Hello as a Kriyaban of SRF teaching I can say the initial lessons on Kriya are quite simple and they are effective.

Prerequisites are subscribing to the lessons which in the U.S. arrive by mail every two weeks. The fee is very small to cover printing and mail.

Get used to endless Voluntary League appeal Letters from the Mother Center especially during the Holidays and not be offended by them pulling poor Jesus off the Cross and inserting him into their belief system which I can not say I share but then again Yoganandya never said you had to.

learning the Haung Sau method of concentration which I never found useful and never led to a breathless state. Then there is the OM Technique using a t stick to rest ones elbows on.

Then there are the energization techniques which may or not be helpful. I did not find them helpful at all because I have always been acutely aware of energy fields and the energy moving in this body. They may be helpful to someone who this is not true of so they can learn to feel these things.

After some time has passed you fill out a report on your progress send it into the Mother Center and apply for Kriya Proper a very small amount of money is requested for the lessons which are separate from the main lessons you are required to learn from.

You also swear allegiance to the SRF Line of Gurus Which include the following. Krisna, Jesus Christ, Babaji, Lahiri Mahasaya, Sri Yukteswar and Paramahansa Yogananda.

Personally I have no problem with this at all as I would be deeply honored to be in the presence of any one of these people and would if anyone of them walked up to me right now in the flesh and said come follow me do so immediately without a second thought asking only that I be permitted to settle my affairs to this world first or that they do so for me.

The methods of SRF 1st initiation into Kriya cover the practice Kriya Pranayama or Kriya Proper followed by Maha Mudra and Jyoti Mudra.

There is allot of speculation concerning just how altered Yogananda’s taught versions of Kriya have been stripped down and or altered. Who knows what he himself practiced.

I do know this much though Yogananda brought allot of good to us westerners and worked very hard to create his SRF organization. He did not need to you know he came from a family that did not lack finances. Now taking this into account does anyone think he would purposely teach anything that was ineffectual or had the potential for someone to get hurt by following? A vested interest can take many forms but only a fool would do something detrimental to said interest.

This being said P.Y’s Kriya may not be the original but how many of you reading this are closely aquatinted with a guru who can guide you in the mastery of a method. I am willing to bet not many, if any.

So play it safe until then. When the student is ready I think the teacher appears I may be wrong but that saying sucks just enough to be true.

Yes SRF is no longer guided by an incarnate GURU and they have been around a long time I disconnected from the organization a long time ago but not for any reason of wrong doing by them.

I can tell you this if your ability to focus is great enough practicing the Kriya Yoga as taught by Yogananda’s SRF Lessons is effective in fact at first I found it extremely difficult to perform the imposed limitation of 14 Kriyas because the energy rushes were so powerful. 6 Kriyas were enough to handle.

14 does not sound like a lot of Pranayamas to complete but when done correctly you will notice the effect, if done wrongly well might as well go out for a beer and quite sitting around.:slight_smile:

The lessons have allot of other good stuff in them also not just these techniques I have described but there is allot of B.S. Also it is up to the individual to decide but yes in fact I do recommend them.

As far as Ennio Nimis is concerned he is doing the world a great service just follow his precautions. Whatever you do take it slow practice, read, and practice some more then read again. You will discover new meanings every time. I have found him to be a friend and I am grateful for his writings.

The Desire. Then the doing. Cleaning. Body (s)

Just a flash of the self is needed to activate the intuitive faculties.

One also needs firm faith and knowledge of Karma, in particular Sewing and reaping.

Knowledge of one’s own self, including the bodies needs to be sought.

Alturistic motivation, the Christ like attitude, needs to ripen.

Then the guru will find you and you will know what yoga is.

Great thread, blessings to everyone… ~*~

feeling inspired to share my own experience with Kriya yoga. I read autobiography in 2002 and afterwards looked into SRF, something about it didn’t seem appealing at the time and there was no living master which is what I really wanted and felt I needed at that time.

I got initiated into kriya yoga under the auspices of Kriya Yoga International which actively claims to be in the same lineage as Yogananda and I personally think it is a valid claim; that being said, it doesn’t really matter to me because the idea of a lineage seems more political than spiritual though the guru param-para relationship and lineage does have some value depending, and if you are just getting into yoga things like that may be important; they did to me some degree when I first got into it, but gradually I came to see that all is divine so it didn’t really matter much after that became clearer.

After practicing kriya as taught by KYI for a couple years I met the head of the lineage Paramahamsa Prajnanananda and became very devoted to him and to the practice of kriya. Eventually my journey brought me to India where I experienced firsthand the KYI ashram in Puri which has great spiritual power perhaps more than I have ever felt anywhere else in the world, conversely I visited the karar ashram of sri yukteswar which in 2009 when i was there had virtually nothing going on, there is a swami there that still runs the place and oversees it but his demeanor is not very inviting and I wondered that perhaps this was a reason there was no one else present there; it doesn’t seem to be much of a full on ashram anymore as it was in the days of yukteswarji, at least that is how it seemed to me when I was there, the place was virtually empty. I still showed the swami love and respect regardless and I bought his book but it turned out to be very crude and almost completely unintelligible for a western reader.

When I got back from India I kept practicing for a few months and for some unknown reason I just stopped being interested in it… saying this after practicing diligently for at least an hour every day for several years… I can only explain this as one would a map, when you arrive at a certain destination you no longer need the map and maybe this was the case with kriya yoga for me, i simply am no longer interested in it, but for that time it was very helpful to me and was in alignment with my journey during those years…

The kriya technique taught by KYI is sort of an all-round development approach to yoga and having studied yoga fairly in depth for over 12+ years now I have come to the relative conclusion that kriya yoga as marketed by various lineages or organizations is nothing more than a combination of techniques that facilitate the development of physical, astral, and causal bodies making one ripe for realization on all fronts; furthermore, it is the combination of karma yoga - selfless service, bhakti yoga - devotional energy, and raja yoga - “mystical” techniques, asanas mudras and bandhas, it also incorporates hatha yoga to some degree.

The mythology and whatever else attached to it is a fancy to get one intrigued enough to get into it. There is truth to it as well I imagine but it is always relative to the perceiver and to mind… as sri nisargadatta relates “words do not go beyond the mind.” so everything i am saying here is just words so take it with a grain of salt and remember that you alone are the truth, whatever you think or feel is what matters and the real guru is you…

I recommend that some people might check out the aypsite for information about the practice of yoga, i think the approach given there is fairly well explained and useful and has less of the political/organization trappings that some other methods have built in for better or worse. There is emphasis on deep meditation to cultivate inner silence and emptiness and spinal breathing to generate ecstatic conductivity - becoming empty as to be filled with divine ecstasy. I’ve always liked the story of the philosopher who came to see the zen monk and was turned away because his cup was too full of ideas and expectations…

Another thing I heard many times was that kri means action - sort of like the word cre-ate… and ya means the soul, and ‘doing’ kriya is to perceive and remember that all actions are done by the soul, its like saying you can’t actually do anything, cannot perform actions unless the soul is present and you are thus breathing, the soul is likened unto a flame and breath is a bit of side effect of the soul’s presence as a flame needs oxygen to burn… when the soul/flame is gone, no more breath needed… that being shared, I don’t think it encompasses fully what the soul is… it is rather impossible to capture in words, but in any case I’ve always thought of it something that cannot be defined or affected by anything in the material world including thoughts and just anything at all… it is invisible and invincible and is the witness that without which nothing would be happening for there would be no one here to witness it, it’s the classic tree falling in the woods question. If there is no one there to see it does it really happen… without soul - ya (life, electricity, god, goddess, nothing), there can be no action. Another aspect of kriya too that had heavy emphasis was vairagya - not being attached to one’s expectations of outcome; performing action for the sake of the action and not so much attached to the fruits of the action… of course, one could say this is just a part of yoga anyway…

If you come to be involved in yoga long enough you will see that there is often talk of this kind of yoga and that kind of yoga and eventually you’ll come to realize they are all synergistic and they all complement each other so there is really no one ‘system’ they are all just parts of the system, and the real ‘system’ if there is one is simply you. I highly recommend Nisargadatta’s book “I Am That,” for getting greater clarity on who or what you are…

Yoga and Kriya Yoga and all kinds of Yoga are very hyped up “systems” for self-realization, I cannot say for sure because everyone’s vantage point or ‘experience’ is different but imho there is no fool-proof ‘system’ to realize god that will work for all of us, at some point you really have to go within yourself and find out what is right for you beyond what anyone else can show you, some systems or gurus may lead you up to a certain point but you have to walk the path and in the journey you must go it alone and really are always alone but also not, the experience happens inside of you and no one can happen it for you. You can still have gurus and relationships and the like with whatever and whoever, with this or that, but the real work is in you.

Feel free to use techniques but ask yourself who is the one performing the technique? Who is doing the techniques? Who is interested that wants to do them? If you are engaged in doing them, ask who is this that is engaged in doing techniques? This is what is known as self-enquiry and it is part of yoga if you like but in a way it is not, depending on how you interpret it…

one aside here, if you read bihar school of yoga books on kriya, there are many other techniques that KYI doesn’t teach and I would venture to say SRF doesn’t teach either… again there are many ‘systems’ or organizations out there, some may be right for you, some not… some may not need any of them at all… look within, be still, and listen to your heart… all the answers are there…

…thanks for reading my humble musings…

on a side note, I have some yoga related books I just put up on ebay (7/13/2012) if anyone may care to look at the books I have available you can find my website where there is an ebay link, just type my name into google: Christian Locke - 9 are from bihar school of yoga and i have 7 others that are kriya related as well as a box set of kriya books, 7 AYP books by yogani on tantra, meditation, spinal breathing, mudras, and more; yogananda’s commentary of bhagavad gita which is excellent, and a 21 cd set of bhagavatam teachings along with a few other items that may be of interest.

blessings to all, love and freedom is the goal, and it is here and now, eternal and immutable… bless it be ~*~

The kriya taught now by SRF and YSS is not the kriya taught by Yogananda. I have hand written lessons from him and also early lessons (pre 1930) from YSS. The technique has been changed and original lessons misunderstood by SRF monks since 1960s. Original method works and can justifiably be called the airplane route - current SRF/YSS method is NOT airplane route!!! Path along sushumna has changed, all sorts of things have changed… Jai Guru

[QUOTE=PYJaiguru;78251]The kriya taught now by SRF and YSS is not the kriya taught by Yogananda. I have hand written lessons from him and also early lessons (pre 1930) from YSS. The technique has been changed and original lessons misunderstood by SRF monks since 1960s. Original method works and can justifiably be called the airplane route - current SRF/YSS method is NOT airplane route!!! Path along sushumna has changed, all sorts of things have changed… Jai Guru[/QUOTE]

Well it has been a few months since then I have taken initiation with KYI. This hass a much brttrt experience than SRF.

I have often wondered why those that followed after P.Y. was no more changed things it is almost like they wanted to sabatoge his work. I think that P.P was controlled by politics as time went on and he grew older.

PYJaiguru,

Please tell me about the “original method” as taught by Yogananda. I know the current method taught by SRF / YSS has been changed and to me is useless. Like you wrote, it is not the airplane route. If uncomfortable posting here please send reply by private message to me. … Thanks! Jai Guru

anyone still pursuing this thread?

Yes. I am watching it. :p.

I started a thread the spirit path section. It is concerning decarbonization of the blood.
Yogananda mentioned this in his book. Mentioned magnetization of the body.
Smoking cigarets led to my understanding of decarbonization of blood. As well I no longer smoke.

I swear getting a conversation going on this topic is like poking people in the eye. You think people would talk about this!
It is an extremely powerful practise. Yogananda was not stupid. He said decarbonization of the blood. He said magnetization. He wasn’t useing metaphors!!! Here I come with the know how of the practise. Explaining it in western medical terms for all to understand. And I am met with silent aversion!! As if I know nothing. :p. Hey ya know,only 7 years complete and utter dedication. to self education.
of the physiological and phychological processes. 7 years is nothing compared to some. But my understanding of this ranks over everything else in this life. Relationships,money,enjoyment.
I wish to understand the aspect of yoga that deals with full rejuvination of the body.

The decarbonization is part of this. SO.
Can I get some conversational LOVE!!!
Or do I have a purple elephant on my head?
Cause no one is perceiving what I’m saying!!

[QUOTE=Avatar186;78699]
I swear getting a conversation going on this topic is like poking people in the eye. You think people would talk about this!
Can I get some conversational LOVE!!!
Or do I have a purple elephant on my head?
Cause no one is perceiving what I’m saying!![/QUOTE]

I am interested, having read Autobiography of a Yogi earlier this year, having got half way through the 3 volumes by ennio nimis this week, having browsed through the AYP site, and having read some Bihar School books. That said, I am still a beginner, but have experienced many wonderful benefits from yoga. Please continue the thread.

I believe the main perception. Is that hyper-ventilation and hypo-ventilation are perceived as “wrong” forms of pranayama. It is not seen as legitimate practice.

Even though. You are constantly hypo-ventilating in micro proportions.
I have done much hyperventilation via nostril breathing. Passing out is due to breathing too rapidly. It is interesting to note people who run/jog/sprint long distance can become victims of what we “call” hyperventilation.
Basically saying, a person with high levels of co2 is passing out from hyperventilation.
The problem is, their are two theory’s for hyperventilation.
1.rapid respiration
2.co2 levels.
In reality the jogger passed out from simply breathing too quickly.
For even in controlled hypo-ventilation, one can increase the co2 in the blood. yet 02 saturation will not drop.
I will tell you now.
hyper = moon and cools the body
hypo = sun and heats the body
yet take one to an extreme, and in a sense, you still get the other.
IE respiratory alkalosis leads to respiratory acidosis via through the kidneys compensating for the unbalance.

BUT! I simply wish to discuss this topic. As this practice taken into the advance stages could be considered dangerous. Although their is no other way to decarbonize the blood and magnetize the body except through the pranayama referred to westerns as hyperventilation.

Critics have i got your attention?! O_O