Positive thinking

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#41

[QUOTE=kareng;73652]Ooow Surya I must come back to this and give you a proper ticking off !!! tactless…cringe…cooking food!

Let the food burn!..will you please.stop mentioning these 15 stone ugly women! someone might be that and reading this they might be in tears now when they were not in tears before! You may have just caused depression for many after reading this! Stop it stop it stop it…bad bad tactless surya?
It is positively negative…:rolleyes::rolleyes:[/QUOTE]

I understand what you are trying to convey here but in actuality the blame for any suffering would be on the 15 +1 stone ugly women misidentifying themselves not Surya.

#42

Caution

Please don’t feed the animals. Just back away slowly.

#43

[QUOTE=ray_killeen;73655]I understand what you are trying to convey here but in actuality the blame for any suffering would be on the 15 +1 stone ugly women misidentifying themselves not Surya.[/QUOTE]

Your answer is trying to be technically clever.

My answer is a question of humanity.

#44

[QUOTE=Asuri;73621]Indeed. I actually prefer the Yoga Sutras to western psychology. I should have said, I’m not sure CBT rises to the level of Patanjali.[/QUOTE]

Sorry, a little late…
Yes Asuri you are right, I don’t believe it does. Why is it that the West will not take on the wisdom of the East in these matters?

#45

[QUOTE=ray_killeen;73647]Unfortunately this is based on likes and dislikes of the individual mind and since all 7 billion of us have different likes and dislikes how could everyone agree as to what’s positive?[/QUOTE]

I don’t think there has to be consensus on what’s positive. It IS an individual thing. I may invoke positive thoughts to my liking and you to yours. The end result is what matters.

#46

[QUOTE=kareng;73652]Ooow Surya I must come back to this and give you a proper ticking off !!! tactless…cringe…cooking food!

Let the food burn!..will you please.stop mentioning these 15 stone ugly women! someone might be that and reading this they might be in tears now when they were not in tears before! You may have just caused depression for many after reading this! Stop it stop it stop it…bad bad tactless surya?
It is positively negative…:rolleyes::rolleyes:[/QUOTE]

Lol, sorry my bad!!! I apologize to all 15+ stone ugly women reading this thread!!!

#47

[QUOTE=kareng;73653]How about this…if one is thinking one is something that one is clearly not, it might be wiser to accept one is not what one thinks one is!..there you go…much nicer hey?[/QUOTE]

Whatever the body one is in association with, even if it is a 15+ stone fat ugly woman, one can still say , “I am conscious spirit, I am living like everybody else, I have every right to be here and explore my life and its possibilities and better myself using every opportunity I get” The problem is when we use identifications which we know to be false, a 15+ stone fat ugly woman is always going to be judged by others as fat and ugly. There may well be somebody on this planet that will find her attractive, but most people are not, and some will even kind enough to tell her that. Thus if she says to herself, “I am beautiful” she will find her belief will be invalidated over and over again in the world, and this will cause her even more grief or may even make her defiant to the world. Thus it is not healthy for a 15+ stone fat ugly woman to tell herself, “I am beautiful me”

We should use statements that have validity. To say “I am human” is valid, but to say “I am an elephant” is obviously not. Likewise to say “I am beautiful” when in fact nobody but your mum has ever called you beautiful, or to say “I am intelligent” when you are mentally retarded is invalid. You are setting yourself up for a fall with statements like this. Instead say to yourself, "I am currently not what is considered beautiful and intelligent, but I am a conscious being capable of infinite possibilities and infinite potential, if I want I can explore these qualities as well, if I work towards it.

There is nothing that is outside of human possibility. A 15+ stone ugly woman can indeed make herself beautiful by losing weight, getting cosmic surgery, changing her outfit, make-up. She will feel much better about herself as well. I am not saying she needs to do this, she can accept her body as it is and focus on other areas of life. In fact I recommend acceptance to anybody who does not have the means currently to change their situation. Ones appearance is not something we can change easily, thus it is something we must learn to accept.

In general we should be focusing on our health and obviously being 15 stone(especially for a woman) is not healthy.

#48

Here is another perspective on positive thinking, backed up with some research:

http://www.forbes.com/2009/10/14/positive-thinking-myths-lifestyle-health-happiness.html

Why Positive Thinking May Be Overrated

Excerpts:

Try smiling while being laid-off. Or conjuring positive thoughts after receiving a cancer diagnosis. Or finding the bright side of a Wall Street meltdown.

Barbara Ehrenreich is skeptical of simplistic positive thinking for one reason, it might be that its practitioners often promise immediate results but ask followers to use techniques that require constant repetition.

“If you have to listen to [their advice] again and again, then is it working?” she asks. “Why do you have to keep doing it?”

Ehrenreich may be right to criticize. A study published in Psychological Science earlier this summer found that repeating a self-affirming mantra is not only ineffective, but may actually leave someone with low self-esteem feeling worse.

In the study, participants repeated the phrase, “I am a lovable person” multiple times during a period of several minutes. But instead of feeling more confident immediately afterward, they felt worse. Perhaps they didn’t genuinely believe the mantra or picked the wrong quality to reaffirm, but the study indicates that feeling positive about life is more complicated than just willing that emotion into existence.

It is basically common sense that one is not going to smile if they are laid off from work or receive a diagnosis of a fatal disease. If one does smile if this happens there is obviously something wrong with that person.

#49

Here is something possibly interesting…whenever you have the guru active at the forehead and he comes out and forward, he can grow in size. Growing in size is important. He can also shrink and come back to his seat at the forehead.
The type of things that make him shrink are negative thoughts, anger, miserable thinking, dissatisfaction with something or other, stress, toing and froing of a problem, resentments, jealousies and admiration for yourself/ego, like thinking “i look good today as you pass a shop window and catch your reflection in it” or, “i did well today in my exams”, I, I , I…
The things that increase his size are gazing at the suns direction, feeling the warmth of the sun on your body but not thinking, “oow, I am enjoying this” just feeling the warmth, feelings of contentment, compassion towards anything living, smelling a rose, watching birds fly, love of nothing in particular just a kind of love, a state of mind at peace, simplistic, uncomplicated, blissful…

If you keep up all the negatives he will disappear completely from his seat at the forehead and then you will have to find him again.

So…?

#50

so…
If the 15 stone ugly woman keeps recalling that she is 15 stone and ugly, she will be wrong in thinking that, and, if she chooses to think about herself as slimmer and beautiful then that too will be wrong.

#51

Bump.
Here is a recent treatise.
http://m.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2012/04/how-the-power-of-positive-thinking-won-scientific-credibility/256223/

#52

[QUOTE=yoganewgirl;73483]What do you all think about positive thinking! Do you think it really makes a difference to what happens in your life or is it perhaps good for the sake of feeling good, if you know what I mean?

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Positive thinking makes a lot of difference. I will quote my post of 24-May-12.
The dissertation quoted shows that psychological changes can create physical events as significant as SR (Spontaneous Remission) in cancer.

#53

[QUOTE=oak333;74464]Positive thinking makes a lot of difference. I will quote my post of 24-May-12.
The dissertation quoted shows that psychological changes can create physical events as significant as SR (Spontaneous Remission) in cancer.[/QUOTE]

Oooops ! I forgot to mention that the post above 24-May-12 was in the thread The Greatest Healer Is You.

#54

Positive thinking is good for health. Positive thinking is a habit of seeing the glass as half full rather than half empty.

#55

Hello,

Im new to this forum (HELLO) & definitely believe in the power of positive thinking and intention!

i recently worked on a documentary about a Organic Winemaker and his wine is used as a self development tool, because of all the positive intention he infuses it using meditation and crystals.

Namaste,

AUM: You Are What You Drink
http:youtube.com/theaumfilm (check it out here if you like)

#56

I don’t think positive thinking is a fad…I also think that books mainly to do with positive thinking express the importance of how to deal with the ups and downs in life as well.

If someone believes they are ugly and fat, and decide they want to try positive thinking, I think the positive thinking also steers you towards making yourself into what you want to be :slight_smile:

Negative thoughts have a huge impact on the body. Along with positive thinking, most ‘positive thinking fads’ help people change for the better too.

#57

This is compulsary for any positive view.

#58

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