Lightening is the metaphor used in the Yoga-Kundalini Upanishad. Sattva is lightness, wisdom, love, etc. Rajas is activity, passion, desire. Tamas is heaviness, inertia, sloth, darkness. Sort of like protons, neutrons, and electrons, that’s the stuff the world is made of.
I saw Eric Clapton and Steve Winwood this past weekend. Great stuff, excellent concert.
[QUOTE=Asuri;20045]Lightening is the metaphor used in the Yoga-Kundalini Upanishad. Sattva is lightness, wisdom, love, etc. Rajas is activity, passion, desire. Tamas is heaviness, inertia, languor, sloth. Sort of like protons, neutrons, and electrons, that’s the stuff the world is made of.
I saw Eric Clapton and Steve Winwood this past weekend. Great stuff, excellent concert.[/QUOTE]
Oh my mistake, I thought that Raja was just like a plodding type of energy but definitely not passion and desire, but then I guess someone could have a passion for something and a desire but still not be tapping into the stream of divine consciousness. When you feel love that is when you really connect with something higher. HUmmmmmm…
YOu saw those guys!, awe that is nice. I ahve to go out to a concert soon. I haven’t been for awhile.
I know what you meant though. I heard Carlos Santana once say that he was like a hose and the music just came through him. It’s sort of a spontaneous creativity that can happen when you find yourself in the right groove. The idea of that spontaneous creativity being kundalini is new to me though. I’ll have to give that some thought.
this kinda makes sense to me.
expansion of consciousness-----heightened creativity
I am not up on all of my reading on this stuff so I probably don’t have all the right words and philosophical concepts. To me it hasn’t been a priority yet. But what I have experienced from doing yoga is one form of, I believe to be kundalini. When I am in that trance state, I become more graceful, I flow naturally from one thing…asuna to the next. I follow whatever happens rather than trying to follow a set routine. The feeling that I get is sexy, not horny but beautiful. My body aligns naturally and I have a heightened sense of my entire body. I become aware of important yoga moves that I have never read about and find myself doing them. It is a high feeling as I move in ways that feel good to me. I do alot of warm-ups within an asuna so it is like a dance. it is beautiful and beyond the ordinary.
When I dance, I get the same thing but I work more with mental pictures which just come to me. Other things come and co-create with the energy too. My entire body becomes engaged and I become very sensuous even when I dance very fast. I have got to be one of the most sexiest dancers in the world. I don’t think about what I am going to do-it just happens.
As a musician, a very rare few of us actually have the experience of (kundalini) as we play. But if you are a star, it is because this is happening. When that amazing energy flow sweeps me up in it, my senses are keen because am in trance. I hear what I am going to sing before I do. I follow it. When I wait till I get can get securely on the wave, by just waiting until I am in trance and therefore able to catch the subtle state then I fly with it. To get into trance, it doesn’t take too much-I just quietly wait for the wave to happen. It happens very quickly…no waiting in the cave meditating my life away. When I sing, my entire body is engaged especially the neck, arms, hands and shoulders. I free myself so that I let it all work together. You can’t be self-conscious to do this. It is very beautiful when I free myself to do this. The voice becomes very strong and pwerful when this happens…especially if you have trained your voice to be ready for it when it comes through. When you work from this energy, the people listening actually will go into a type of trance. They call this spell-bound. The voice becomes spectacular-more than ordinary.
When I drum, I become very intricate and the rhythms are better than ordinary and so creative when I allow tht energy to take over me.
When I put people into a hypnotic trance, I begin by going into trance (meditation) along with the client and what I say is amazing compared to what I could think of in an ordinary state. People have said that as soon as they formulated a question in their mind I would answer it. I am the best counselor that I personally have known because of it because even before I go into trance and I am doing the consulting part, I seem to ask the right questions. Actually pull them out of the air. I blank my mind so that I can do this.
When I guide students in yoga, I do it in trance state as well. It becomes so more meaningful to them and by doing this I am showing them the experience of how it goes in trance with yoga. A teacher should be teaching yoga this way…in a beyond basics or beyond the physical aspects of proper technique.
When I massage clients, I also do it in trance state. This is why I am so accurate compared to someone who is thinking about what they just read or learned in a course and applying that. I am so much better than a registered massage therapist because of this.
So in all of these things that I do, I work in trance and therefore the quality is superior. I am very down-to-earth with this at the same time. That is the connecting of siva with shakti I guess. How can celestial ponderings do you any good unless you are well grounded in reality eh Mr. Siddhyogi?
Hi Dandelio,
What exactly are you taking;)?
Thanks
Lol, why would you like some?
I just want to say that I’ve had several experiences with botanical n,n-dimethyltryptamine (which is also a hormone produced in a gland situated near the 3rd eye) that gave me quite typical colorful, radiant visions, and other perceptual changes.
When using a certain amount of plant matter, there are not so pronounced visions with closed eyes, but with open eyes the perceptual changes are very clear, and the general atmosphere is very similar to the cosmic experience described by Yogananda. I’m not talking about a few similarities here and there–many detailed similarities, as to the quality of the vision, the actual visual make-up, and what happens in Yogananda’s mind.
When using a bit more plant matter, what I experienced is very much like the Bardo Thodol as described in the Tibetan Book of the Dead. As vivid as 3D reality, I’ve seen entities as described in this book, and I was communicating with them without speaking. They are made out of light, and react to everything that goes on in my mind. E.g, within less than a second angels and buddhas become demons and monsters the moment my mind starts to slip into even a bit of fear and anxiety.
Illusion or not, plant-assisted or not, most of my experiences with this plant and other psychedelic plants have been neutral to fruitful. I’m happy when I haven’t used these plants for years, and I’m happy when there happens to be a month when I use it 2 times. I am typically humble towards psychedelic plants, and I am grateful they exist.
I like to do introspection, pranayama, and meditation before deciding to use a plant. I also like to first shake hands with the plant, in the form of taking only a small dose. Usually it feels ok to continue, but sometimes it feels like it’s not the right moment, so I leave it at that.
I have never taken a big dose of a plant I hadn’t used before. Every plant I use, I build up the dose very slowly and carefully, after informing myself as much as possible through literature of all disciplines. Especially psychopharmacology and ethnobotany are good sources.
For me psychedelic plants work well in conjunction with having an organic sugarfree msg-free vegan, ahimsa lifestyle with a lot of raw food, fruits, salads, etc. Short-term preparation for taking psychedelic plants can also involve fasting (2 hours up to a few days before ingestion). Doing asanas can also have immense influence. I think it’s highly recommendable to experiment with asanas and pranayama at some point shortly before ingestion, or during the experience.
I’ve also had several psychedelic experiences without using plants, for example through very specific pranayama (15 to 30 minutes of strong fast breathing through the nose–don’t try this at home without experienced guidance). These experiences are for me not less or more valuable than those with plants, nor are the things learned of completely different quality.
[QUOTE=Bridgette;19066]I recently got into a discussion with someone about the use of psychedelics for awakening kundalini and I was curious to what other think on the matter.
For one…can a person awaken kundalini via drugs?
And is it anyway shape or form safe? (I.E Under a shamans guidance)[/QUOTE]
I used to spontaneously perform Bhandas when I used to smoke weed. But only after coming to yoga I realized that I was performing yoga. Psychedelics rises kundalini. But that way is useless and and damaging.
Asuri,
"My problem with kundalini is that there seems to be quite a bit of inconsistency among those who supposedly know. "
That is true. One should understand the source of where the contradictions lie. It is because the moment the mind makes an attempt to interpret the experience, it can only distort the reality according to it’s own prejudices. This is the case not just with Kundalini, but with just about anything at all. That is why if you look in different traditions, they have different perspectives about how Kundalini works, what it is, what the chakras are - their correspondences, and so on. Even the experience of enlightenment is one of the most misunderstood phenomena. It has to be. Because to express something which cannot be grasped through thought is impossible. Different traditions will state that ones original nature is “pure consciousness”, others will state that it is nothingness, others will even go beyond nothingness and into emptiness, others have called it a soul, others have denied such a thing - there is no soul as a separate entity to be found anywhere. If we are dependent upon borrowed knowledge- then confusion is impossible to avoid. If we are dependent even upon our own knowledge, then too confusion is impossible to avoid. We should learn that all of our words and descriptions are only an attempt to represent the reality, but they cannot grasp the reality itself. Truth is inexpressible, the moment it is expressed, one has thrown a limitation upon it. And mind is such - that everything can be seen from almost infinite number of angles and perspectives. Out of this - so many different traditions, religions, belief systems, and philosophies have been born. So the question is whether it is possible to see beyond all this and create a situation where one can come to a transformation, through any means possible - whether it is scientific or not.
Bridgette,
“I recently got into a discussion with someone about the use of psychedelics for awakening kundalini and I was curious to what other think on the matter.
For one…can a person awaken kundalini via drugs?”
Many things can happen, or appear to happen under the influence of drugs. One can even experience certain states of samadhi through drugs. There are methods as to how to use drugs to awaken various siddhis, as well as Kundalini. But it is my own understanding that for the majority of people, such methods should be avoided absolutely. The reason for it is that those kinds of methods stimulate your senses. Because they stimulate the senses, unless you have already come to a certain stage of balance, integration, and awareness - one is certain to become entangled. That is why in the tantric sciences - which focus very much upon methods for stimulation of the senses as a means towards awakening, before a disciple would be initiated into such processes - he had to demonstrate that he has already attained to a certain level of meditativeness. Because otherwise, once you start doing that kind of work, unless you are totally mindful - with an ability to remain grounded, then to become a prey to your own delusions becomes inevitable. Many people have become insane because of this, that they were unable to have some sense of clarity which dispelled their delusions.
So yes, definitely there are such methods. Taking drugs is one of them. But the reality is that it is not compatible for most people, and only is relevant to a very small percentage of disciples.
“And is it anyway shape or form safe? (I.E Under a shamans guidance)
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Even under a shaman guidance, or a yogis guidance, unless you yourself are balanced - it is dangerous. The shaman or the yogi can only try and create an environment where you can experience as few obstacles as possible. But beyond this, it is all in your hands, you yourself must be balanced, grounded, and meditative.
The experience of a drug can be unpredictable. Sometimes, it can take you to great heights of samadhi. Sometimes, it can take you to a great nightmare. You have to be prepared for whatever these drugs start unleashing from your unconscious. Part of that preparation is to have already obtained some amount of freedom from the experience of the senses - so that whatever happens in your experience, you do not become identified with it. The moment the mind becomes identified - your vision becomes clouded, you loose all clarity. It is not just the case with drugs, but just ordinary things in life.
[QUOTE=AmirMourad;57276]Asuri,
"My problem with kundalini is that there seems to be quite a bit of inconsistency among those who supposedly know. "
That is true. One should understand the source of where the contradictions lie. It is because the moment the mind makes an attempt to interpret the experience, it can only distort the reality according to it’s own prejudices. This is the case not just with Kundalini, but with just about anything at all. That is why if you look in different traditions, they have different perspectives about how Kundalini works, what it is, what the chakras are - their correspondences, and so on. Even the experience of enlightenment is one of the most misunderstood phenomena. It has to be. Because to express something which cannot be grasped through thought is impossible. Different traditions will state that ones original nature is “pure consciousness”, others will state that it is nothingness, others will even go beyond nothingness and into emptiness, others have called it a soul, others have denied such a thing - there is no soul as a separate entity to be found anywhere. If we are dependent upon borrowed knowledge- then confusion is impossible to avoid. If we are dependent even upon our own knowledge, then too confusion is impossible to avoid. We should learn that all of our words and descriptions are only an attempt to represent the reality, but they cannot grasp the reality itself. Truth is inexpressible, the moment it is expressed, one has thrown a limitation upon it. And mind is such - that everything can be seen from almost infinite number of angles and perspectives. Out of this - so many different traditions, religions, belief systems, and philosophies have been born. So the question is whether it is possible to see beyond all this and create a situation where one can come to a transformation, through any means possible - whether it is scientific or not.[/QUOTE]
No half wit If I wanted to I could describe the entire process and ITS USES using words that others - and maybe even you - could understand.
You are an ignoramus.
They are confusing for a reason.
They leave out big keys so morons like yourself don’t understand them.
go play with your happy meal.
Dear Bridgett,
Amir is clueless.
Decades ago I could smoke weed and get creative. I recently had a puff and had to use yoga and meditation to bring me down. No, for me it gets in the way. If it helps you, smoke away.
[QUOTE=Asuri;19657]To me, Kundalini is like a Bob Dylan song. Nobody’s really sure what it means.
Does anybody really know?[/QUOTE]
Yes. It means exactly what it awakens in my soul. Uncompromising freedom, dignity of self, and being high on the beauty of life. Oh the lyrics ? There must be some kind of way out of here … said the joker to the thief … it’s too much confusion … I can get no relief …
Omg, that episode of Battlestar Galactica where Saul is listening, having his ear on the wall: It’s in the frakking ship ! Even such a luciferic materialist dream is elevated by the real art of Dylan.
Forget chemicals. They just mess up your brain, a brain what’s already half dead. Virtual reality is the new drug, and it will rule the world, and mess up our, and our children’s souls.
Hello,
Many years ago, under the influence of psilocybin mushrooms, I had an experience that very closely aligns accounts that I have read of Kundalini awakenings.
The experience was brought about without any intention of having a mystical experience, and at a very low dosage of the drug – certainly not enough that the primary effects of the drug would have been so overwhelming as to cause confusion regarding the nature of the experience. I felt more sober than I had ever felt.
During the experience, I was provided an immediate, primary, intuitive, understanding of the perfection of existence. These are the simplest terms I can use. I hope the importance of this being immediate, primary, and intuitive, are understood. This was not experienced as an abstraction.
I’m happy to discuss this more if anyone is interested, but there really isn’t much to say, or much else that can be said.
I wish it had happened under some kind of guidance, because afterwards I had absolutely no one to whom I could relate this experience. It was utterly ineffable, anyway. It became a bit of an obsession, and I did not understand at all what had happened to me.
xx
[QUOTE=Bridgette;19066]For one…can a person awaken kundalini via drugs?
[/QUOTE]This is impossible. By drugs you can activate only Ida and Pingala and get some side effects out of this.
[QUOTE=Seeker33;57861]This is impossible. By drugs you can activate only Ida and Pingala and get some side effects out of this.[/QUOTE]
means ur breath / energy / prana wont be on Sushumna?
sometimes THC helps
[QUOTE=bjoy;57877]means ur breath / energy / prana wont be on Sushumna?
sometimes THC helps[/QUOTE]Prana shakti works on Pingala. In Sishunma is Dharma Shakti.
[QUOTE=Seeker33;57907]Prana shakti works on Pingala. In Sishunma is Dharma Shakti.[/QUOTE]
the action/reaction of prana/apna is in the universe.
Live well. Enjoy your life. If you don’t, no one else will.
aum.